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June 10, 2011 – Comments (31)

As the U.S. economy collapses, the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted is going to begin to disappear.  In fact, there are already an increasing number of signs that the collapse of society is accelerating.  In cities such as Chicago, roving packs of young people are “mob robbing” local businesses, randomly assaulting tourists and shoppers and are even pulling people out of vehicles. 

This isn’t just happening in the “bad areas” anymore. Over the past couple of months this type of crime has been common in some of the wealthiest areas of Chicago.  In fact, many Chicago residents are now referring to “the Magnificent Mile” as “the Mug Mile”.  But it isn’t just in Chicago that this is happening. 

During this past Memorial Day weekend, cities all over the United States experienced a stunning wave of mass violence.  We are supposed to be an “example” for the rest of the world, but as our economic wealth crumbles we are witnessing the collapse of society all around us.  So what is going to happen when the economy gets even worse?

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#1) On June 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM, topsecret10 (< 20) wrote:

Insert the" United States" Instead of Rome in the "THE Fall of the Roman Empire"....      Economic decline,out of control government, and Illegal Immigration led to Romes demise,and the EXACT same thing Is happening here In the United States. The Federal government has become authoritarian In nature,and judges across the land rule from the bench for political purposes Instead of following constitutional guidelines. We are In a very dark time In this country,and unless people begin to wake up and start voting career politicians out of office,we will slip Into total chaos witin a few years. The two party system has failed,and It Is time to re-evaluate and start over If we want to keeep our REPUBLIC ...    TS

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#2) On June 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM, russiangambit (29.90) wrote:

This happened in Russia too after USSR structure collapsed during the Yeltzin years. The theory was that we needed more religion in our godless lives to bring the morelity back to the population. It worked to some degree. strangely.( By comparison US is an extermely rewligious society yet it doesn't seem to help any when it comes to crime ) And then Putin came and  installed the police state. Now all the thugs works for police. Problem solved -((.

In case of the US, while sitation is very much under control in most areas, the aggravating factor is all the soldiers coming back from the wars where their humanity and morals were stripped away , on top of it they have mental issues and they are basically abandoned to their own devices . What do you think is going to happen to them? 

And  with all these young unemployed and unemployable blacks , what is going to happen? Chicago's ghetto is the first one I saw in the US, I was shocked that such places exhisted in the richest country on earth. Then I saw a DC one. Needless to say I felt like a sitting duck in both cases. Russia doesn't have ghettos, thank god for that, at least.

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#3) On June 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM, kadosas (< 20) wrote:

"We are supposed to be an “example” for the rest of the world"

I guess only an american can say something like this...

Goodnight

 

 

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#4) On June 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

Pish.  Posh.

There is nothing easier than finding signs of decline.

Life will go on.  This time is not different.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/panic-at-the-disco/602321

 

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#5) On June 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, kdakota630 (31.77) wrote:

dumberthanafool

"There is nothing easier than finding signs of decline.  Life will go on."

That, quite possibly, was the unintentionally funniest two sentences combined that I've ever read.

"Things are rapidly getting far worse... but why care?"

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#6) On June 10, 2011 at 1:08 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

If it was funny, then you need to work on your reading comprehension.  The intent of the first sentence is to say that one can find "signs of decline" in just about anything.  The citation to various incidents that have no statistical meaning is a great example of that.  The utter lack of historical memory demonstrated by anyone who thinks these are signs of fundamental decline is what is unintentionally funny.  Before this we had crack and punk.  Before that we had hippies.  Before that we hid our horrors.  Before that the entire world was falling apart from faschism.  Before that we had a great depression.  Before that we had shantytowns and lechery and more hidden horror.  Before that we had a war that brought all major world powers to their knees.  Before that we had gin dens.  Before that we had multiple horrific recessions including one that was called the Great Depresssion until the Great Depression happened.  And we had a nihilistic an amoral American West.  Before that we had a Civil War that killed more Americans than all of America's other wars to this day combined.  Before that we had a gold rush and total societal anarchy in many areas.  Before that we had the Five Points neighborhood of New York.  Before that.....

Get a grip.

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#7) On June 10, 2011 at 1:14 PM, kdakota630 (31.77) wrote:

dumberthanafool

LQTM. Point taken, but I think I'm the one with the better "grip."

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#8) On June 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

With all due respect, if you adhere to the fundamental point of the original post, I do not see how that is so.  The horrors of the past are simply not in the news every day.  It is very easy to forget them, to sanitize them, and to make up patterns based on what various editors have desperately decided will garner increasingly scarse news eyeballs in the past year or so.  There is also a certain frisson in calling a fall.  Everyone wants to do it.  Heck, Gibbons is still remembered for writing The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire many many hundreds of years after it happened.  I'll bet that one could find a news article talking about the decline of America, or the decline of civilisation generally, in every single year out of the last two hundred. 

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#9) On June 10, 2011 at 1:50 PM, kdakota630 (31.77) wrote:

dumberthanafool

First and foremost, the phrase "with all due respect" is usually followed by something that is completely disrespectful.  So, thanks for not following that pattern.  I just point that out because it usually ends up being funny.  For example (and not directed at you personally), "With all due respect, you're a friggin' ugly moron who rapes goats and eats babies."

Now that I have that out of the way which really didn't have anything to do with anything...

I for the most part don't adhere to the point of the article posted.  I found it interesting and there's some scary sh*t in there but mostly left it for people to come to their own conclusions about it.  I do think things are going to get worse before they get better (hence the main reason for the post and the examples therein), but they will get better, eventually.

My mistake if I misread the spirit of post #4, but likely I'm not the only one.  Either way, no harm, no foul, and nothing personal.

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#10) On June 10, 2011 at 2:00 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

"With all due respect..."  =  "...nothing personal."

:-)

Have a good one.

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#11) On June 10, 2011 at 2:40 PM, russiangambit (29.90) wrote:

> Life will go on.  This time is not different.

Life always does. One has to ask , though, whose life?

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#12) On June 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, ckd5555 (< 20) wrote:

What a ridiculously stupid post.  Every indicator that the FBI uses to track violent crime suggests that violent crime is decreasing (rather than increasing). 

And an analogy to ancient Rome?  Besides the fact that its 2011 and not 410, Rome collapsed due mostly to barbarian migrations (the Goths, Huns, etc.) and the fact that these barbarians had fighting styles that negated the advantage of the roman legions.  In addition, you had built-in constituencies that did not care about the long-term health of Rome (e.g. the Legions didn't care that the government couldn't pay their salaries, even though emperors would double/triple salaries to win office).  You can make all of the analogies you want, but it is not an analogous situation.

And wtf, Russia doesn't have ghettos?  

This is what Caps has become.  A haven for right-wing religious lunatics.  Fun times.

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#13) On June 10, 2011 at 3:15 PM, kdakota630 (31.77) wrote:

ckd5555

A haven for right-wing religious lunatics.

Take that back or I'll be forced to strap on my tin foil helmet while beating you with my Rush Limbaugh crucifix.

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#14) On June 10, 2011 at 3:42 PM, russiangambit (29.90) wrote:

>And wtf, Russia doesn't have ghettos?   

Ghettos are the breeding ground for the crime and I thought we are discussing crime? Europe also doesn't have ghettos or slums, if that makes you feel better.  US attitude of see no evil, hear no evil and just generally ignoring any problem that is inconvinient is pretty shocking for a rich civilized country, That is all.

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#15) On June 10, 2011 at 3:45 PM, catoismymotor (71.79) wrote:

Re #13:

I'd like to participate in that assault but my "Neo Con Forever" tee featuring a sparkling Sarah Palin, and Toby Keith "Put A Boot In Their A$$" hobnail boots have yet to arrive from the Right Wing Supply Store.

*sigh*

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#16) On June 10, 2011 at 3:46 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

@russian wrote  "Life always does. One has to ask , though, whose life?"

Society's. 

See the post title.

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#17) On June 10, 2011 at 4:00 PM, ckd5555 (< 20) wrote:

>Ghettos are the breeding ground for the crime and I thought we are discussing crime? Europe also doesn't have ghettos or slums, if that makes you feel better.  US attitude of see no evil, hear no evil and just generally ignoring any problem that is inconvinient is pretty shocking for a rich civilized country, That is all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Note the European Commission study from 2009: The US has a lower violent crime rate than Britain, Austria, South Africa, Sweden, Belgium, Canada, Finland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and France.  

I think it's ignorant to say Russia/Europe doesn't have slums.

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#18) On June 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM, ckd5555 (< 20) wrote:

>I'd like to participate in that assault but my "Neo Con Forever" tee featuring a sparkling Sarah Palin, and Toby Keith "Put A Boot In Their A$$" hobnail boots have yet to arrive from the Right Wing Supply Store. *sigh*

Perhaps, like Paul Revere, you can go warn the British that other British folks are coming.  Oh wait, that never happened.  

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#19) On June 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

@ckd5555  "Perhaps, like Paul Revere, you can go warn the British that other British folks are coming.  Oh wait, that never happened."

Actually, that DID happen..., at least it did after Sarah Palin's supporters got finished defacing the Paul Revere Wikipedia page (though the changes were later reversed).

:-)

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#20) On June 10, 2011 at 4:16 PM, vriguy (82.12) wrote:

@Russia: Not disagreeing with the thrust of your arguments but ghettos originated in Europe. They may not be called that today, but there are plenty of no go areas for strangers even now, e.g. the banlieus surrounding Paris, which erupted in riots two years ago.

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#21) On June 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM, russiangambit (29.90) wrote:

#18 -  why so defensive? I know from my own experience that US is far more dangerous than Belgium, Sweden or Austria. So, I am not going to paly numbers game. As for your comment on the Britain's violent crimes.I came across this intresting tidbit here:

"Bear in mind that crimes are reported differently in each country. That makes comparisons like these almost worthless. Take the reporting of violent crimes in the UK. If you look at the statistics from the UK government website, just over half of those violent crimes recorded result in no injury to the victim. In the US, those crimes would not be recorded and included in the stats. "

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

And US crime problem is only going to get worse if economy doesn't improve because. I am not trying to turn it into some popularity contest between countries. In fact, In each country you have to know and follow certain tactics in order to not become a victim of a crime.  For a foreigner it is iery hard to understand why most of US downtowns are very dangerous places, for example. In Italy and Spain very so many pickpockets you better watch out and so on.

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#22) On June 10, 2011 at 4:34 PM, russiangambit (29.90) wrote:

#20 - ok ,I get it. I take it back. In any area in Europe no matter how poor I don't feel threatened because I look just like them and I know their trigger points. In US, it is different story. So that probably skews my perspective .

In case of the US there is just too much wealth gap between your average suburb and let's call it a "disadvantaged"area. In Europe not as much. So, that smoothes it out somewhat..

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#23) On June 10, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Frankydontfailme (27.33) wrote:

cd555: in addition, you had built-in constituencies that did not care about the long-term health of Rome (e.g. the Legions didn't care that the government couldn't pay their salaries, even though emperors would double/triple salaries to win office).  You can make all of the analogies you want, but it is not an analogous situation.

You scratch the surface of the economic issue. The devaluation of the currency, along with the wars incited the downfall of Rome. 

 Seems analogous to me. 

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#24) On June 11, 2011 at 3:57 AM, awallejr (80.08) wrote:

While poverty can and does breed crime in general, I wouldn't say that the US is unique to this.  I used to represent some members of the Russian mob in NY, for example, and was told plenty of horror stories that involved other countries, such as Russia.

While Stalin brutalized his own people in his exercise of power, and with the whole Gulag Archipelago thing, that didn't pass with the break up of the Soviet Union.  Instead power just went into different hands, with crime being more organized and brutal than some anonymous ex-Russian blogger cares to acknowledge. 

Personally I think it pointless to compare say Sweden with a population of 9 million to a country with over 300 million.

Generally people have a tendency of feeling "safe" in familiar surroundings.  Personally I do feel safer in NYC than pretty much anywhere else because I do know my surroundings. 

I thought #6 made the best point in response to the initial post.

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#25) On June 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, russiangambit (29.90) wrote:

>  Instead power just went into different hands, with crime being more organized and brutal than some anonymous ex-Russian blogger cares to acknowledge. 

 #24 - I think you mis-understand me. I said many times there is no law in Russia. If you see a policeman you cross the street in order to not provoke them because if you get in their hands there is no telling what happens Russian power is corrupt and merciless and I think for sombody who never experienced it there is no way to even start approaching the understanding of how awful it is. But it doesn't mean I cannot criticize the US for its excesses and mistakes. In fact, because I appreaciate freedom and law so much more as an american citizen I see things that you don't necessarily think are wrong.

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#26) On June 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM, awallejr (80.08) wrote:

Well I don't need to experience smacking my head with a hammer to know it will hurt. Or to experience torture to understand how awful it is. 

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism.  And I would encourage it. 

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#27) On June 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Jbay76 (< 20) wrote:

somewhat non-sequitir, but what does "LQTM" stand for

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#28) On June 14, 2011 at 12:15 PM, KDakotaFund (24.75) wrote:

Laughing Quietly To Myself

(Most people probably aren't "Laughing Out Loud", so LQTM is likely more accurate.)

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#29) On June 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, ETFsRule (99.90) wrote:

Violent crime declined by 5.5% in 2010, compared to 2009... this is the 4th straight year that this figure has dropped.

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#30) On June 14, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jbay76 (< 20) wrote:

KDakotaFund

Gotcha..thanks

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#31) On June 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM, ContraryDude (32.06) wrote:

Golly - looks like you're right.  There is even a book about the Collapse of Canada!

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