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October 26, 2011 – Comments (4)

Read today's front article and went *Aww!!!!  I never knew that!!!!!  boy am I shocked!!!! shocked!!!!!!!


Well... I didn't. fall prey to this *TRICK*  where the author creates his own "Strawman" arguments and then knocks them down....and then somehow we are left thinking the situation with CHINA, MIDEAST OIL, and so on is A-OK.

1)  No one is arguing that the BULK amount of goods we purchase is from China.

This is perhaps the dirtiest trick in the book.  Not all knick knacks are from China.....Some are from South Korea, India, Taiwan, an awful lot come from Japan, some from Russia or Germany or elsewhere.

So of course we do not buy the BULK of things from CHINESE Imports.

But that is a STRAWMAN.....  No one is arguing that !!!!!

What us Conservatives are saying is that we import an awful lot of Goods....and Fail to make them ourselves....  We have a pathetic manufacturing base and that base is shrinking and shrinking....

We fail to even be able to manufacture an iPhone, iPad, iPod.... We can not even do that..
Why?  Cause labor costs, taxation, and so on is significantly cheaper overseas than to attempt to do it here at home... In order to turn a profit the iPhone would be $2000.....the iPOD would be $1,500,
and the iPAD 64GB would be $10,000.

That's not a pricing that leads to success.....We can not compete against CHINA when manufacturing the same goods they are and trying to sell it here at home...Not when we have minimum wage laws that are set to go up automatically in some states....We have ridiculous laws and regualations and taxation and pure B.S. making it IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPETE WITH THE WORLD!!!!!!!


And we have to deal with 90% of College Students / College Grads just sitting in chairs in front of President Obama and clapping for more SANTA CLAUSE GOODY GOODY GOODY GUM DROPS.

Yea!!!! I no longer have to pay my Mortgage..... I no longer have to pay off my Student Loans....
I am going to get $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from Obama's Stash!!!

2)  No one is arguing that Oil prices are high solely/mostly because of the MidEast.

The author wishes to use the premise that us Conservatives are DEEPLY CONCERNED about OPEC nations and that's why we want drilling.

Wrong PREMISE!!!!!

What we are concerned about is the total picture of how much Oil we have to import from other nations to support our economy while we are NOT DRILLING FOR OUR OWN RESOURCES....

9.2% imported from the MidEast may not *sound big* but when it is coming from countries that hate us and when America is not allowed to drill for its own Oil....then that is the problem....How many JOBS would we have if we drilled for our own Oil instead of Financially Supporting Jobs Overseas?

We are infact, in terms of the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Alaska and elsewhere.....We are in fact giving our resources over to Foreign Countries to Drill and send back home.... We are REFUSING TO DRILL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL WACKOISM.....

That is our concerns....  Not whether the MidEast OPEC Nations control 100% of our imports.... Of course they don't...  No one is arguing that!!!!

3) No one is arguing that we owe most of our Debt to China

Any IDIOT should know that Japan.....not CHINA.....Has been the #1 foreign holder of U.S. Debt longer than China now is...  CHINA took over the #1 spot just very recently....

But.... They do hold $1.1+ Trillion and they aren't stopping....   You can sit there and compare it to the overall debt that we have $14.6 Trillion in order to attempt to downplay the fact that China owns more than $1 TRILLION of our U.S. Debt.... Go ahead....Downplay it....

But, when China owns an amount of a countries debt that is about 1/2 of our entire annual Taxpayer Revenues (about $2.2 TRILLION) that should be a cause of alarm.

4 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On October 26, 2011 at 7:26 PM, dkc2913 (< 20) wrote:

Drilling our own oil, working with environmental concerns, is good, but where are you going to process the oil when we have not built an oil refinery in the U.S. of A. in over 30 years.  Is there that much of a labor shortage?  Not!!  With the technological levels we are at today, why aren't we putting more americans back to work.

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#2) On October 26, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Varchild2008 (84.02) wrote:

We do not have more Refineries because private companies do not want to enter the Refinery business.

That business has been an unprofitable or at least very difficult to generate a profit type of business for decades.  Why?

Environmental regulations make it so.

So it is a big circle jerk....   No ones building refiners cause it is isn't profitable.  It isn't profitable because environmentalists will complain if you make it profitable.

Since we can not make it profitable we are stuck with an abundance of oil that we can't drill for and process and become energy independant.

We can't be energy independant because we need more refineries.  Private companies won't build refineries because...

See?  One big Circle Jerk.....And around and around and around we go.

And yet we still have 20 somethings BEEMING....about how awesome it is to be an environmentalist while at the same time complaining about how they can not find a job and it must be the REPUBLICAN PARTY's fault....cause they lower taxes for the rich or something...

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#3) On October 27, 2011 at 12:41 PM, GNUBEE (< 20) wrote:'s recent news to back up your rebuttal to refining not being profitable

 In regards to #3, I dont care about Chinese holding mountains of my Debt. In my eyes it amounts to a chinese subsidy to work. It is in their interest to issue a loan, but less so to collect.

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#4) On October 27, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Turfscape (< 20) wrote:

Varchild, regarding #1...why do you WANT to compete for the right to manufacture really, really cheaply?

We have a higher standard of living here. If you want the "right" to compete with Chinese (or Pakistani, or Korean, or Malaysian) manufacturing costs for fake dog poo or Zune knock-offs, you will need a solid base of labor that is seeking a lower quality of life. In those other regions, those miniscule wages represent a HIGHER quality of life.

Personally, I don't CARE if my tchotchke are produced somewhere across Asia. If I'm paying $1.00 for a wind-up train toy, I expect it to last about 2 why do I want that stamped with "Made in the USA"? I guess I just find it funny that anyone would want to emulate the manufacturing environments of emerging markets. We had that time in our country...120 years ago. Believe it or not, things have improved here since then.

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