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The Gold Man: Inflation/Deflation

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November 12, 2008 – Comments (5) | RELATED TICKERS: AEM , GTU , KGC

http://theinvestortimes.blogspot.com/2008/11/gold-man-inflationdeflation.html

First, during my weekly conversation with our resident gold bug I heard a few of his thoughts:
"I'm starting to think that this could be a serious deflationary depression [like the '30's]... If that happens gold will obviously depreciate in value..."
The first thought that came to me was: if our gold bug is thinking sell when his portfolio just lost 30% either
A) something is really wrong
or
B) something is really wrong with valuations and now is a good time to pick up some of the shiny stuff.

So, to figure out which one it is lets do what any rational person would do, look at some facts:

The g0vernment is creating money like its going out of style (and if they keep this up it soon will)The banks are de-leveraging from the disgusting multiples that accumulated in the real estate boomWhen loans are foreclosed on M3 (our most comprehensive measure of inflation) drops. We are seeing a ton of foreclosures and that isn't likely to end soon (for more click here)All the billions that are going into fixing this (the big $700 + many smaller, less publicized packages and private investment in the form of loans) is bound to create more money. Now a reasonable person would say, look at the numbers and use that to figure out what is going to happen. Well that's great but we can't because we don't know what is in level 3 (an asset category for banks) and one couldn't possibly find all of the loans that are going around to plug this thing up, so what we are doing instead is looking at the past to determine the future. Some would claim this is foolhardy and liken it to the old quote: "its much better to see where you've been than where you're going" but in reality it works just fine because all of the aforementioned things are happening now at a rate similar to what we can expect in the future. So lets take a look at M3
from: http://www.nowandfutures.com/images/m3b.png




















So what this shows us is that even without the circulation of a large part of the money the government is threatening to create M3 is going up at an alarming rate. With this dough it could really head for the sky. If we are experiencing rabid inflation with no end in sight why isn't gold going up? Because:
1) banks are selling what they can to de-leverage and plug holes
2) because of 1 the price started to drop, it became a positive feedback loop and people like our gold-man are running scared instead of running smart

So with all this said it looks like a good time to pick some up. Not the raw stuff unless your a real doomsdayist but rather some shares of good gold makers, heres a few The Investor Times likes:

Agnico-Eagle Mines (AEM)
Great Basin Gold (GBN)
Kinross Gold (KGC)
Central Gold Trust (GTU)

5 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On November 12, 2008 at 11:59 PM, bdash (25.69) wrote:

odd. the pic didn't show. its a shame b/c the chart is really interesting. follow the link and take a look

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#2) On November 13, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Harold71 (95.98) wrote:

I'm starting to think that this could be a serious deflationary depression [like the '30's]... If that happens gold will obviously depreciate in value..."

Gold went from $20 to $35 during the Great Depression.  This is often overlooked; I don't know why.

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#3) On November 13, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Harold71 (95.98) wrote:

Oh btw, I guess I'm a real doomsdayer, I like the physical only.  What's the point in buying something with counter-party risk when you can have it in your pocket instead...I'd buy oil or something else like wheat futures if I decide to have "money in the system" risk.

The risks to the monetary system itself should not be ignored IMHO.

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#4) On November 13, 2008 at 3:40 AM, ikkyu2 (94.55) wrote:

Try this link instead:

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/M3%20Money%20Supply/M3_Money_Supply_chart.htm

It's another attempt at estimating M3.  A lot of what makes up M3 - international repo agreements, etc - has just evaporated as the credit markets seized up and the affairs of Lehman and AIG got unwound. 

That said, I'm bullish on gold.  Dollars that behave the way the dollar has been behaving in the past few months are not going to be the world's de facto currency for much longer. 

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#5) On November 13, 2008 at 3:42 AM, ikkyu2 (94.55) wrote:

Harold71:  Private ownership of gold became illegal in the Great Depression.  Prior to that, the ounce of gold = $20 equation was fixed by government fiat.  It took Bretton Woods to sort that out, and ever since, a dollar has been worth what a central banker says it is worth, give or take a few months lag time.

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