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Responding to Hotrod1431's blog post

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January 10, 2009 – Comments (7) | RELATED TICKERS: BSC , STSA , RPRX

Quotes of his blog in italics

"Why do all the top or highly rated fools always pick stocks that underperform the market (basically giving a lot of red thumps down and no green thumps up)? Anyone, or should I say most, can pick a looser stock.

On the 2nd point, not everyone can pick a loser. Take the variety of us that have gotten stuck with -100 point or more losses on stuff like STSA or QCOR. Red thumbs are far more risky as people have lost upwards of 500 points on bubblish dredge such as DRYS and JRCC. A long pick locks your loss at ~100 points whereas a red thumb can lose multiples of that. While it can be easier to see junk, a faulty pick on a junk stock is far more harmful than riding a green thumb to its grave. My picks of garbage like Transmeridian (TMYE.pk) only cost me ~50 points as the S&P got so clobbered that it largely erased my loss of points. Thus green thumbs are actually smart moves until the market bottoms out at a much lower level than here. With a green thumb, you're only risking ~70 points as the 30% decline in the S&P benefits the green thumber. Thus, those of us using mostly red thumbs are actually playing with fire... our index is constantly declining and we need our red thumbs to drop even faster to keep up...

"I think ratings should be based a little more on the winner stocks that you pick." 

 In the long run, they are. People like we will have to use green thumbs once the bear ends or people will be beating us as they get 1,000+ points per pick on stocks that recover from the lows and reach new highs. You can't score much more than 200-250 points off a series of red thumbs generally, whereas profits off of an MSFT, INTC, or SBUX caught early would score you many thousands.

I do not usually call for a stock to underperform the market especially after bad news.

I don't either. By the time the news hits, it is too late to short. You have to call underperform on something like GET now, as I did yesterday, while the price is still elevated.

You can pick any stock that gets a little bad press or a stock that misses the mark on judgment day and then pick the stock to watch it fall for weeks or months after.

This will lose you lots of points--try it, I dare you. Prepare to face Bear Stearns like consequences (stock rockets from $3 to $10 as the buyout deal changes leaving us bears clobbered by the Bear.)

Maybe these fools are shorting stocks and that is how they do business in the market but I somehow doubt it.

I make most of my money (in this bear market) shorting the S&P, Dow, Nasdaq, and assorted garbage like AMSC, AMED, AMT, GG and so on. I posted clearly on my blog when I made my most recent short on RPRX. You could easily have followed me into that trade, I posted my pitch within an hour of buying my puts.

I am sure that I could increase my score two-fold within a month by simply picking loser stocks vs. trying to pick winners. 

Let's see it. If you're so brilliant, pick a bunch of stocks to go down MORE THAN THE S&P and we'll see. If you are consistently right, buy puts on the stuff you call it on and you're set when it comes to investing.

Does anyone see this trend or does anyone out there care?

The rest of my comments are as follows: 

 I'd love to be a bull, but in this market, being a bull equals losing both points and money. Thus, for now, I am a bear and will make mostly down picks. However, I do love and adore 6 companies' stocks at the moment: JBLU, WNR, BIG, JAG, TXN, and USU. Most of my money that is invested on things to go up is in those 6 stocks (I have a greater portion of my money short the market as a whole and particular junk like GG, RPRX and AMED). In those 6 winning longs (hopefully), I have an airline, a refiner/gas retailer, a discount retailer, a gold miner, a semiconductor, and a uranium-utility play. Those six stocks alone give me good diversification, how many more winners must I find?

I would note I've owned the stock of all six of those for 6+ months and have the following returns (JBLU +80%, WNR +15%, BIG -20%, JAG -20%, TXN -50%, and USU +10%). Averaged, my long portfolio is beating the market, though the short picks are where I'm really doing well. In this market finding other winners outside these stocks is not worth my time.

Once the market turns, I will spend most my time investigating longs, and find a core portfolio of shorts to balance risk. In a bear market, concentrate on stuff going down, in a bull market focus on stuff going up--it really is that simple. 

7 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On January 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM, alstry (99.66) wrote:

Actually Red Thumbing a stock in a  Bear Market is harder than Green Thumbing.  In order to score points red, you must fall FURTHER than the market falls and your upside is limited to 100 less the decline in the market with unlimited down side.

When you Green in a bear market, all you have to fall less than the market and you still get points.  The joke is that in this situation you are a loser in real life but a winner in CAPs. 

In the former, CAPs doesn't give you the credit you deserve because your percentage gains in real life would be much higher.

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#2) On January 10, 2009 at 7:21 PM, MGDG (98.33) wrote:

The Top Fools are there because they correctly pick which stocks will underperform and outperform the S & P. During a Bear Market you will find more Red Thumbs, because that is the direction of the Market.

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#3) On January 10, 2009 at 8:03 PM, goldminingXpert (99.98) wrote:

MGDG, I think you made most of my blog irrelevant with your simple and correct analysis.

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#4) On January 10, 2009 at 8:24 PM, MLGtrader (99.87) wrote:

What do you particularly like about BIG?  Personally, I am staying away from retail and anything related to consumer discesionary.  I think that 2009 and 2010 will only get more difficult for the consumer.  Also, what advantage does BIG have over WMT and TGT, which seem to control a lot of the market share.

 On a separate note, what do you look for in long positions?  I look for small cap growth for the most part.  My view is that the huge winners are what will really boost your portfolio and help you beat the S&P.  I do like your stategy of only going long on a few select stocks.  Overdiversification is a major problem with many investors.  When you own over 20 stocks, your performance can't help but match market performance, so you might as well buy an index fund.

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#5) On January 10, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Alex1963 (97.72) wrote:

I found these comments very helpful in reference to both the CAPS scoring, which I've read in "Help" but didn't quite get, and in furthering my understanding of shorting which I am avidly educating myself on.

I'm curious Goldminingexpert do you you trade your own account? How many trades do you make over 1 month and what is your exit strategy or are you simply putting sell points in an the time of the initial trade?

I hope you don't mind me picking your brain...

Thank you both

Alex

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#6) On January 10, 2009 at 11:49 PM, goldminingXpert (99.98) wrote:

Alex1963

Don't mind at all. I do trade my own account. I don't trade my core positions, but I trade options quite a bit. Take WNR for instance. I  bought 350 shares and tucked them away at ~$7.25 basis last summer. When the hurricanes started developing, I threw in a bunch of calls to add into my core position as the stock started running up. Once the stock hit $11 I started selling the calls and completely unloaded once the weather event ended. When the stock dipped again to $5, I started purchasing more calls which I've started selling now with the recent run-up over $8. If the stock gets to $10, I'll be out of all my call options and only own my core 350 shares. So, for a core stock, I take my position and then tinker with the leverage based on technical analysis/news.

However, in smaller positions, particularly short positions, I trade frequently as in this market, it is good to take profits when you see them. Favourite short Amedisys (AMED) is so volatile that you have to take profits when it declines, as it can run up a quick five points at any moment. On average, I probably make 15 trades a month-- but very few trades in my core stocks.

MLGTrader

BIG is a trade down option for people that need to save money. They also get good merchandise in bulk from bankrupt stores that need to clean out inventory. The stores I have visited (4 different locales so far) have all been pretty crowded and the door-buster deals around Christmas were quite good ($6 1gb USB zip drives among others). As a discount retailer, BIG has a different ethos and culture than WMT. WMT is also vastly overvalued by comparison. WMT has a P/E of 14 and price/book of 3. BIG has a P/E of 8 and a P/B of 1.5. Thus, you are getting twice as much assets and profits per $ invested in BIG than in WMT. 

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#7) On January 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM, anchak (99.76) wrote:

GMX....Most points well taken ....just a couple of additions and I think this is also going to become irrelevant and playing with fire for Bears going forward

(1) It takes a lot of guts to be a Bear AFTER market has fallen off the cliff it has - either you are a sucker or you KNOW what you are doing. It can still go down further - but from now on explosive BEAR KILLER rallies would be the norm - till it breaks  - it can nosedive , if all fails - or it will start recovering from whatever level ( I personally believe a S&P 660-720 range is possible)

(2) The easy CAPS trade of Green Thumbing 'n'X Inverse ETFs are also disapppearing fast ( andolmia - prime example)

(3) Need to follow/watch people who have generally been uppping their scores and not stagnating in the period - ie somehow they are figuring out both direction - instead of "muddling through". David(d1david) comes to mind - he called the last July Bear rally and been fairly consistent. GMX himself has done well - but a little more permabear - your call to get out of Contras in 1st week of Nov was early - but no one can be PERFECT

RVASpeculator,jowenmofield were 2 market timers who were early in October also - understandable - because in terms of the slope of the drop and the length/duration it was a 1929/1987 combo. By my reckoning the sigma variance of the drop this time breached 12 sd on a trailing MA basis - essentially this is an unforgettable lesson in Fat-tails and EV distbns.

(4) GMX your calls on the refiners are most interesting. TSO and WNR sometimes pop up on potential BK screens - which of course means if you are right - these would be 5x+ baggers for you.

All the best!

 

 

 

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