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May 20, 2009 – Comments (19) | RELATED TICKERS: SUF , FER

I have seen the future of money, and its name is The Venus Project. Yes, from the same type of people who brought you Zeitgeist: The Movie where they claim religion is lie, 911 was an inside job, and the evil Federal Reserve is responsible for it all! Who is the genius behind this world saving endeavor? Why none other than renowned social scientist Jacque Fresco.

 

In the words of Master Fresco (as we will all soon call him):

 

Previous generations left a legacy of, exploitation, occupation, and irrelevant values that present great challenges, but also opportunities to the people of today.

 

The challenges of our current time are greater than any generation before us. We must not be afraid to throw off the old stale ideas of Capitalism and Individual Freedom. As Master Fresco says:

 

Important documents and proclamations have been issued granting rights and privileges to members of societies, but at the heart of human progress – or destruction – is the rock-solid foundation of science.

 

Did you hear that Lawfordcap? Your hero has arrived! Bow down before his evolutionary wisdom now. Surrender all your rights and freedoms in the name of evolutionary advancement. After all, it was you who told me that “the cult of individualism that we see in society today can not last forever.” Evolution and Science (oh Great Science!) dictates that we must change from our selfish selves and become the collective.

 

In the past we may have needed such Foolish documents as the Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution, but no more. Burn all the copies! Throw them into a bon fire with the works of Mises and Hayek and Rothbard and for that matter every other economist.

 

The future will have no need for economists!

 

Oh! Preach it! Preach it Comrade Fresco:

 

The goal is to help rid the world of war, poverty, hunger, and environmental degradation, and to create the best world for all inhabitants, given the resources at hand, for the longest period of time.

 

Did you hear that Brother Devoish!? We are going to create the best of all possible worlds. There will be an evolutionary safety net for all, and best of all no more pollution!

 

But it gets even better my brethren. For this is no Marxist Utopia where everyone puts in their fair share and does an honest day’s work for equal pay. No! In our new world order there will be NO MONEY!

 

After all: What has been handed down to us does not seem to be working for the majority of the people.

 

Clearly, causation is correlation: the existence of money is the cause of all the worlds ills. We instead need to put all our faith in the Scientific Method to arrive at decisions that will bring about a better world.

 

We are our own salvation or damnation, and the degree to which we don’t apply this scientific method to the way we live on Earth may very well determine the unnecessary amount of suffering that will occur.

 

In the future there will be no need for religion or ethics because: It is not ethical people that are needed but rather a way of intelligently managing the Earth’s resources for everyone’s well-being.

 

Now I know that some of you (David in Qatar) are going to once again bring up the Economic Calculation Problem of Socialism, and claim that Master Fresco has indeed not solved this nearly one-hundred-year-old theory. But he has solved it! He has solved it by ignoring its very existence. He has used the science of philosophy to say: I think, therefore I am. I think that the Theory of the Economic Calculation Problem of Socialism does not exist, therefore it is not!

 

Problem solved. Now moving on to bigger more important issues like the reason for the abolition of money. First, everyone should be impressed with Master Fresco’s brilliant understanding of economics (Zloj are you paying attention?):

 

When there is a recession and people have little money to buy things, isn’t the Earth still the same place? Are there still goods on the store shelves and land to grow crops? It is just the rules of the game that we play by that are obsolete and cause so much suffering.

 

Sure. I know some of you so-called “economists” out there would be quick to point out that recessions are in fact not cause by “little money to buy things” but are in fact the product of people saving the money they already have, but your logic would be flawed because as our current government has shown us there is no reason to save money ever or they will just print more and spend it for us:

 

The existence of money is hardly ever questioned or examined, but let’s consider our use of money. Money itself does not have any value (at least not anymore…). It is just a picture on a cheap piece of paper with an agreement among people as to what it can buy (and obviously people’s agreements are worthless…). If it rained hundred dollar bills tomorrow, everyone would be happy except the bankers.

 

And we all hate banks and bankers, right? Especially, that evil Federal Reserve!

 

Some of you may not yet be convinced, so let’s examine more of Master Fresco’s other reasons to do away with money:

 

1) It is not money people need, it is access to resources. 2) Money results in social stratification and elitism based primarily on economic disparity. 3) People are not equal without equal purchasing power. 4) Most people are slaves to jobs they do not like because they need the money. 5) Those who control purchasing power have great influence. 6) Money is used to control the behavior of those with limited purchasing power. 7) There is tremendous environmental degradation due to the high cost of better methods of waste disposal. 8) The Earth is being plundered for profit.

 

9) MOST IMPORTANT, when corporation’s bottom line is profit, decisions in all areas are made not for the benefit of people, and the environment, but primarily for the acquisition of wealth, property, and power.

 

Are you sold yet Devoish? Are you willing to surrender all your property for the betterment of the Earth and mankind? Everyone should be convinced by now. Fresco is promising you a future without work, without needs, without suffering! Together we can create “a heaven from this hell.”

 

We will ABOLISH SUFFERING! All the world has to do is surrender everything they own to the social scientists and engineers. All we need is Math, and computers, and the scientific method. We will build robots to do all of our work. And robots to fix the robots! Our brightest and best will create Artificial Intelligence and complex computer programs that will allocate our resources properly. Machines will become smarter and smarter and create even smarter machines!

 

Machines can easily replace humans in government and in the management of world affairs.

 

We will cure Cancer and AIDS and the Swine Flu! Money is no object! We can allocate resources for the benefit of mankind until one day we can look out at our new sources of energy and our University cities in the sea and say, We did it! We abolished suffering!

 

By replacing human labor with machines and implementing a global resource-based economy, everyone lives better than the wealthiest of today.

 

ARE YOU WITH ME fools?

19 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On May 20, 2009 at 6:02 AM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

"Wisdom comes by suffering." -Aeschylus (525-456 B.C.)

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#2) On May 20, 2009 at 6:05 AM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

"'Pity for all'---would be hardness and tyranny toward you, my dear neighbor!"

"They are at one in their faith in the morality of shared pity, as if that were morality in itself, being the height, the attained height of man, the sole hope of the future, the consolation of present man, the great absolution from all former guilt. The are at one, the lot of them, in their faith in the community as the savior, in short, in the herd, in "themselves"---"

-Friedrich Nietzsche

 

 

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#3) On May 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM, drgroup (62.15) wrote:

He is wrong.

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#4) On May 20, 2009 at 9:01 AM, devoish (99.65) wrote:

Dare,

I never would have thought you for someone to promote a possibility like the Venus Project suggests. In their Support This Project section the very third suggestion is "Talk to Others About This Project" and you have presented it to over 60,000 CAPS players for their consideration. I am sure your efforts will add to the 14,000 people, educated and wealthy enough to own a computer, who have signed their petition in support of the project.

Though your methods may differ from those of David's Mises Institute it is heartwarming to know that your idealism toward the betterment of all mankind is at the core of your value system, as it is with Mises.

Please believe that I too share your noble goals, though I prefer the peaceful, non-destructive methods advocated by Democracy. Like your Venus Project, I believe we can do much better than we are today, though my hopes for such idealistic outcomes as hoped for by the Venus Project and Mises are lessened by the reality that neither has ever worked.

Thank You for bringing such optomism as the Venus Project is, to our attention. In a time when many can only see and promote the destructive solutions of gathering arms, it is reassuring to know many such as yourself, can see beyond that to a much better future.

Regards,

Devoish

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#5) On May 20, 2009 at 10:03 AM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

devoish,

See, I knew you understood satire. ;)

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#6) On May 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, zloj (98.44) wrote:

Yes, I am paying attention. There is a shorter name for that system: Communism. We can't know for sure if it will work or not because it hasn't been tried. All we can say is that it is technologically feasable today more than it has ever been, and will be even more technologically feasable in the future. The problem is that it may not be feasable socially because when you get into the top 51% you will feel that keeping the other 49% down is more important than being rich alongside with everyone else. For example, you can safely bet that Bernanke is not so much after making an extra $1 billion for himself, as he is after the opportunity to control which one of us gets richer or poorer and by how much. If Mr. Fresco knows how to replace the pyramid-builders in the Fed with honest Marxists who won't steal, won't wish to become a little more equal than others, and, last but not least, won't make us march in columns (like thay did in Russia), then by all means, let us hear his recipe for world happiness. One more trivial thing: the people who'll be running Fresco's system must not only be honest themsleves, they must also make sure that their successors are honest as well.

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#7) On May 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

zloj,

Why do all socialists/communists always assume that the only reason their system wont work is because people might not be "good" enough. Isn't the very basis for both systems dependant on some sort of faith in humanity as a collective?

Which is more likely?

1. The world will continue to advance because of competition to the point that we (in our desire to get ahead) create a better world for the masses?

or

2. Human nature will suddenly change for the better overnight, and all of the "haves" (who usually earned their property) will suddenly be up and willing to give over everything to the "have nots"?

Of course, no one said the "haves" have to be willing, just look at today. But such policies will inevitably fail. They always have...

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#8) On May 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

drgroup,

Hilarious use of understatement. Heh.

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#9) On May 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, zloj (98.44) wrote:

"Why do all socialists/communists always assume that the only reason their system wont work is because people might not be "good" enough."

Unfortunately, I don't believe the socialists/communists have "assumed" that. That's why they tried this socialist experiment in Russia and failed. They were right in terms of the economy, but they failed to realize that once they get in power, they would themselves want to become capitalists, or if not them, then their successors surely would. Socialism is really a very rational system, and it would work extremely well if run by a machine. Now, take some someone like Dick Fuld and try fit him into your machine algorithm - that's where the best models run into trouble.

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#10) On May 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

zloj,

You are ignoring one of the same inherent problems that Fresco proposes. Machines are man-made. Programs are programmed by humans.

Even if we somehow reached the point where machines with AI were making newer, smarter, and better machines its silly to assume that those machines would care at all about the success of the human experiment. They might just think that we were a waste of their resources.

Socialism has plenty of models. None of them explain human action.

 

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#11) On May 20, 2009 at 4:30 PM, zloj (98.44) wrote:

But this is precisely what I'm saying. Programming the computer is the easy part. Even finding a well-intentioned person like Fresco to write the program wouldn't be so difficult after all (even though every SOB like Bernanke will also be writing their programs and your chance of getting your well-intentioned piece of software approved will be remote, let's put it that mildly). But have they considered that the next hour Dick Fuld will show up in the computer room with a hammer and smash the server so that nobody would prevent him from making more money? So you need armed guards around the computer room, and then you need some commander-in-chief to control the guards, and then what happens when that guy realizes that he has more to gain from the privatization of that socialism you created than from defending it? So we are back to the human factor again. That's why I don't believe in that stupid utopia. Not because of some Mises with his imaginary mathematical contradictions in central planning, mind you, but because of Dostoyevsky and his criticism of all such "crystal palaces". The purely mathematical part, IMHO, can be worked out very easily.

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#12) On May 20, 2009 at 4:43 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

Dostoevsky gives me more than any scientist.

-Albert Einstein

What I find most amusing about the whole Venus Project garbage is that Fresco actually believes that if we abolish money and move to a resourced based economy where computers do all the jobs, then there will no longer be any incentive for violence...

Guess he has never seen a domestic dispute, or learned about the fact that most murders/rapes are commited by people who knew their victims (I doubt the majority of them have anything to do with money).

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#13) On May 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM, zloj (98.44) wrote:

There will no longer be an INCENTIVE, but we've got plenty of volunteers who'll do it for free...

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#14) On May 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

zloj,

Touchée

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#15) On May 20, 2009 at 5:55 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

Never thought of Star Trek in this way.

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#16) On May 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM, TMFLomax (94.40) wrote:

Wow, this is really something!

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#17) On May 20, 2009 at 10:29 PM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

TMFLomax,

Thanks. I thought you might get a good laugh out of it.

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#18) On May 21, 2009 at 4:31 AM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

By the way, all italics are the quotes are taken directly from Jacque Fresco's book Designing the Future found as a free pdf on his website. I tend not to mock something until I have at least researched it.

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#19) On May 21, 2009 at 4:32 AM, DaretothREdux (99.54) wrote:

all italics are quotes taken*

too many "are"s in there....

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