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June 03, 2009 – Comments (19) | RELATED TICKERS: PAY , MO , NOW

 

Ok, I'm Done With Being Nice

The NY Times, the supposed "newspaper of record" in NYC is running the following line of crap in their Business Section:

MESA, Ariz. — She had seen the advertisements for the new government program offering relief. She had heard President Obama promise that help was on the way for homeowners like her, people who had lost jobs and could no longer make their mortgage payments.

But when Eileen Ulery called her mortgage company — Countrywide, now part of Bank of America — the bank did not offer to alter her mortgage. Rather, the bank tried to sell her a new loan with a slightly lower monthly payment while asking her to pay $13,000 toward the principal and a fresh $5,000 in fees.

Sounds like a hitpiece on the banks, right?  Well, it is.  Let's keep going:

Ms. Ulery, 63, is the face of the latest wave of troubled American homeowners, a surge of people in financial danger not because of reckless gambling on real estate, but because of lost income.

Far from being one of those who used easy-money loans to speculate on homes proliferating across the desert soil of greater Phoenix, she has lived in the same modest, stucco-sided condo in suburban Mesa for a dozen years. She bought the two-bedroom home in 1997 for $77,500.

That's a lie, and a lie that they "bust" themselves on almost immediately!  Oh sure, the original purchase was quite prudent, but look at what happened NEXT!

Like tens of millions of other American homeowners, she added to her mortgage balance as the value of her condo swelled, at one point exceeding $200,000. She refinanced to pay off some credit cards and settle into a 30-year, fixed-rate loan. Later, she took out a home equity line of credit to buy a new Hyundai. She refinanced again in 2007, borrowing $20,000, mostly for a new roof.

Ah, so now the truth comes out!  Her house is now worth $122,000, or nearly double what she paid for it in 1997, but she used it as an ATM machine to live extravagantly, running the mortgage balance up to a clean double, or $143,000.

That is, this "responsible" woman spent, over ten years, more than $70,000 in excess of what she made!

To which she poses her own question: What sort of deal is it for the American taxpayer? As she sees it, the same banks that generated the mortgage crisis are now getting public money to fix it, while doing little more than seeking new fees.

“I don’t think the government gets it,” she said. “These are the same people you couldn’t trust before.”

Oh, I get it, but neither you or The New York Times does.

See, we are here because people at all levels of society, including you, Ms. Ulery, seem to think you can spend more than you make.

You did it.

The government, both state and federal, is doing it.

The New York Times is holding you forth as a paragon of virtue, and a "victim" of the evil banking system.

It sucks that you've got an employment problem Ms. Ulery, but that's not the reason you're in trouble and about to lose your house.

No, the reason you're about to lose your house is because you treated your home as a permanent and inexhaustible ATM machine - a demonstrably unsafe, unsound and FRAPPING IDIOTIC act.

Now you want to whine about the just and expected outcome of your choices - your credit card being paid off from that ATM machine that allowed you to live beyond your means, your new car (instead of a used, far cheaper car) and your lack of saving for that new roof (you blew the money on your credit card instead!)

IMHO you, Ms. Ulery and The New York Times, are the poster children for the puerile and outrageous behavior that CREATED this mess, and your whining about it deserves to be met with derision, loud jeers and permanent unemployment - absolutely NOBODY should employ anyone who is this stupid - ever.  Nor should they buy or advertise in The New York Times.

I'm tired of this  and IMHO it is long past the time when the honest and responsible citizens of this nation should rise up and demand that absolutely nobody, whether it be a state, local or federal government, a business or a homeowner get one thin frapping dime of "asssitance" if they have intentionally spent beyond their means and tried to play "perpetual ATM" - whether it was with a house, a commercial piece of real estate or taxpayer-funded debt offerings.

'Nuff said.

Disclosure: Short Ms. Ulery up to my neck.

19 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On June 03, 2009 at 2:34 PM, BradAllenton (38.65) wrote:

ditto to that!

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#2) On June 03, 2009 at 2:43 PM, MustBNuts (86.45) wrote:

The conclusions he comes to are awesome!

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#3) On June 03, 2009 at 2:44 PM, MustBNuts (86.45) wrote:

BTW, great use of the tickers

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#4) On June 03, 2009 at 2:56 PM, rd80 (99.26) wrote:

I regret that I have but one rec to give for this post.

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#5) On June 03, 2009 at 3:20 PM, blake303 (68.94) wrote:

If she had been putting $1,000/mo towards her mortgage from the start, the home would have been paid off by May 2006 assuming an 8.5% interest rate to back into the $600/mo payment.

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#6) On June 03, 2009 at 3:27 PM, jstegma (99.72) wrote:

I'd agree completely, except that the bank got bailed out.  If the bank can get bailed out, then she has an argument that maybe she should as well.  Pretty much everyone has that argument.  If someone else gets a handout, why shouldn't I?   "Because you're not a rich banker" seems to be the answer so far. 

It's a silly article the way they try to present her as some responsible person who was vicitmized somehow.  That's a lot of bull.  I'd say her argument is worthless, except for that annoying fact:  The banks got bailed out.

It's like standing in a crowd of people at a car dealership, and one guy says "hey, I think I'll ask them if they'll give me one for free!"  Everyone looks at him like he's an idiot.  Then he walks inside and comes out with the keys 2 minutes later.  There might be a few people asking for free cars all of the sudden and not feeling like idiots for doing so. 

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#7) On June 03, 2009 at 3:40 PM, guiron (< 20) wrote:

Ah, so now the truth comes out!  Her house is now worth $122,000, or nearly double what she paid for it in 1997, but she used it as an ATM machine to live extravagantly, running the mortgage balance up to a clean double, or $143,000.

That is, this "responsible" woman spent, over ten years, more than $70,000 in excess of what she made!

Why did the bank allow her to do this? It's not up to the lendee to dictate the terms and risks the bank offers. It's up to the bank or lender to manage their own risk and provide offers which are reasonable as to that risk.

This is not the only bubble we've had, but this is the only time the banks and other lenders have been this loose with their credit. You can blame the consumer, but if there is no lender to offer a loan far beyond what someone can reasonably pay, then there is no problem with over-leveraged consumers later on. It used to be much more difficult to get a mortgage, requiring 20% down at a minimum and excellent credit.

One thing I can tell you is always true: if you offer people money at outrageous terms with very little disincentive to take it, you will always, always find takers. It's very easy to get people to take money, even if it damages them severely in the future. Most people aren't good at managing money - not a few, but most. That's why banks used to have strict lending standards, and perhaps they will see the wisdom of returning to those standards. Otherwise, you end up with this situation.

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#8) On June 03, 2009 at 3:54 PM, outoffocus (23.72) wrote:

I'm tired of this  and IMHO it is long past the time when the honest and responsible citizens of this nation should rise up and demand that absolutely nobody, whether it be a state, local or federal government, a business or a homeowner get one thin frapping dime of "asssitance" if they have intentionally spent beyond their means and tried to play "perpetual ATM" - whether it was with a house, a commercial piece of real estate or taxpayer-funded debt offerings.

We are trying to rise up but we are ridiculously outnumbered. Our only remedy is to continue to live within our means so that while the other people are crying to the bank not to kick them onto their keisters, we are sitting in our homes living our lives.

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#9) On June 03, 2009 at 4:01 PM, guiron (< 20) wrote:

Waiting for all the borrowers to become educated as a means of reaching a better economy is a fool's game. That will never happen. OTOH, we can require that banks cannot over-leverage themselves or the borrower (which actually used to be the case), which would work right away without waiting for unrealistic changes in human behavior.

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#10) On June 03, 2009 at 4:35 PM, rd80 (99.26) wrote:

Why did the bank allow her to do this?

Because she had collateral she decided to put at risk.  She decided to risk her house by using it as an ATM, not the bank.

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#11) On June 03, 2009 at 4:37 PM, TMFDeej (< 20) wrote:

This cartoon seems to be appropriate for this discussion:

Deej

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#12) On June 03, 2009 at 4:41 PM, guiron (< 20) wrote:

Because she had collateral she decided to put at risk.  She decided to risk her house by using it as an ATM, not the bank.

But she didn't have the income to pay it back. Did the bank plan on a default and seizure as a method of repayment?

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#13) On June 03, 2009 at 4:53 PM, blake303 (68.94) wrote:

But she didn't have the income to pay it back. Did the bank plan on a default and seizure as a method of repayment?

That is how a secured loan works. Keep up your end of the contract and you keep your home. If not, the bank can recoup some of its loss by selling it. That is the plan. If she had kept her original mortgage balance, the severance and Social Security would have been more than enough to keep her in her home.

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#14) On June 03, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rd80 (99.26) wrote:

Read the article.  She's in default because of lost income.  In other words, she had the income when she played the ATM game. 

With every mortgage the bank plans on default and seizure as a method of repayment.   Not the preferred method, but a method.

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#15) On June 03, 2009 at 5:22 PM, TWreckz (74.66) wrote:

Great commentary, however, I have to say a Hyundai really?  I'm glad we're in a housing crisis because people like her needed Hyundais.

 (and I know thats not the reason, and I am also sorry for offending Hyundai owners, but c'mon, are you really going to risk your house for a new Hyundai?) 

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#16) On June 03, 2009 at 5:23 PM, outoffocus (23.72) wrote:

Read the article.  She's in default because of lost income.  In other words, she had the income when she played the ATM game. 

That doesnt exonerate her from her responsibility to make sure that she saves in the good times in order to weather the bad times.  He she thought about the future when she was in the midst of making these financial decisions (i.e. what if I lose my job) she wouldn't need any assistance from anyone.

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#17) On June 04, 2009 at 12:01 AM, eldemonio (97.54) wrote:

We can call her an idiot and argue as to whether or not she should have known better, but the truth of the matter is this:  Financial advisors who definitely knew better were making even riskier investments with other people's money during that same time. 

What's worse, being ignorant, or being a greedy, money hungry, thieving bastard?  Who is getting bailed out?

 

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#18) On June 04, 2009 at 8:00 AM, dbjella (54.69) wrote:

Is it this simple?  No bailouts. No government lending standards.  Banks purchase insurance for their depositors.  If the bank makes bad loans and goes into default, then the insurance company can sue bank executives for damages.  A little shared responsibility.  

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#19) On June 04, 2009 at 11:29 AM, phalkor (68.95) wrote:

I caught this story yesterday on my favorite rage outlet, reason.  If you care to take a look, there is plenty of good old fashioned indignation at this drivel.

Here:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/133925.html#comments 

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