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Cow Manure+ Used tires = Energy and S&P down 2% at close. Fact OR Fiction?

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June 15, 2009 – Comments (11) | RELATED TICKERS: COW , ABU , NGA

First and foremost I am not pumping a(n) stock/investment. It is simply food for thought.Northwest Biogas which wants to use 40,000 waste tires as a growing media for micro-organisms in an anaerobic digester. Is this the new R&D prospective energy source via bacteria like VRNM(Vernium) or the next failed sham? The state of Oregon is confident and has issued a grant Anareobic is no oxygen and a digester is a manure treatment system produces several components including bio-solids for fertilizer. The other co-generated product is methane gas, which can be flared off or burned as a green fuel for power generation or heat. They would use the methane cleaned. I guess this is simlar to coal bed methane extraction without the coal bed and limited use saline solution. Link below and yeah the S&P will end the day 2% down.

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/06/biogas_company_seeks_permit_to.html

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#1) On June 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, devoish (99.65) wrote:

We here at the Devoish BS Market Watch applaud all new consumption of BS from these already saturated market conditions. America's appetite and consumption of BS is only exceeded by its seemingly endless supply.

Familiarity with the more common American BS Digestive proccesses has us asking; what is the value of putting tires into a pile of digesting BS?

However, from the article;

Northwest Biogas has proposed using the waste tires inside the lined and covered digester. The company has agreed to clean, remove and recycle the tires if the facility ceases operation.

While this is a job we would never want to do, we applaud the employees and management of Northwest Biogas for their commitment should this event ever come to pass.

However should a clean-up ever be neccessary, please, please, please give Mike Rowe a call as he is America's finest specialist in this sort of thing, and we here at the Devoish BS Market Watch enjoy his program doubly when it is a job we have never done personally.

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#2) On June 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM, 4everlost (96.55) wrote:

Well, I wasn't going to give you a rec until I saw the tickers.  Now you get one.

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#3) On June 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, nottheSEC (72.43) wrote:

Dirty jobs<---- Used to love this show but I got tired of 1000 variations of dirt.

Furthermore CHECK THE SYMBOLS COWABUNGA

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#4) On June 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, nottheSEC (72.43) wrote:

Gee thanks 4ever I think. lol. Hey its a good story in its own right.

Investment wise its too developmental. I just wanna know if the science is sound. My thinking is its a research project that will require new technology as you go along.

I wanna here from the fool scientist in the house.Think of it.Full of BS will be the answer to the energy crisis. 

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#5) On June 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM, anticitrade (99.48) wrote:

I worked in this industry for 4 years as a biological engineer before transitioning to something that wouldn't require 2 showers a day.  This technology is NOT new.  Converting manure to energy has been done all over the world with various levels of success.   From my experience I felt that this research was driven heavily by regulation and government grant money rather than commercial success.  I have seen in a few cases where a substantial amount of energy was generated from this process.  However, in every case I am familair with, success was short lived.  The gas generated from anaerobic digestion is pretty dirty (obviously).  It contains ammonia, water, hydrogen sulfide and a bunch of other nasty stuff.  Consequently, when you burn it in a microturbine to produce energy after about a month the engine shuts down and requires a very expensive and comprehensive cleaning. 

Generating gas to "flare" is relatively simple and has been done succesfully for years. 

It sounds like the purpose of the tires is to provide some sort of surface for the methanogen bacteria to live on. 

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#6) On June 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM, anticitrade (99.48) wrote:

(I had a few days working with anaerobic digestion of hog manure that would make Mike Rowe blush.)

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#7) On June 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM, nottheSEC (72.43) wrote:

 anticitrade  I somewhat suspected it wasn't new but not cost effective.This company supposedly and apparently have some way to eliminate the biogas impurities to get "dry' nat gas. I guess that would eliminate or impede the microturbine breakdowns.

The question is how? oxidation? Doesnt oxidation work effectively only when you have hydrocarbons(butane,propane)? Do they have something proprietary?

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#8) On June 15, 2009 at 9:41 PM, farmnut1985 (< 20) wrote:

Could be new bacteria that will eat some of the rubber too, sounds like the group that designed the bacteria to turn tires into diesel fuel, great idea, only not so realistic above lab scale.

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#9) On June 15, 2009 at 10:25 PM, anticitrade (99.48) wrote:

You are about to learn more about anaerobic digestion than you probably ever wanted to.  The conversion of animal waste to methane gas requires two sets of bacteria, acidogens and methanogens.  The acidogens are a very robust set of bacteria that quickly break down the volitile fatty acids into simpler organic compounds.    The methanogens then take these compounds and produce methane gas.  Unlike the acidogens, the methanogens are very very sensitive to agitation, pH, temperature and salinity.  Consequently, in most anaerobic digesters you want to retain the methanogens in clumps (either in a sludge blanket, or in settled solids, or connected to beads) and pass the liquid by them.  Breaking down rubber would be extremely difficult for bacteria, and if accomplished would leave all the metal and crap in the digester.  Consequently, I think the tires are used to fix the methanogens in place.

However I am open to the possability that they have a unique bacteria that can digest rubber.   I am also open to the possability that they have some way of creating a clean dry natural gas.  But I wouldn't bet on either of these possabilities.

On a side note, a lot of these reactors are used to digest animal carcuses and all sorts of food waste.  The bacteria LOVE a ground up dead cow mixed in with the manure (too much information yet?).

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#10) On June 16, 2009 at 2:09 AM, nottheSEC (72.43) wrote:

LMAO.One bacteria chews the food the other eats the chewed food. The bacteria that likes its food chewed is spoiled and needs a blanky or a tire fort. Seriously good stuff Anticitrade

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#11) On June 16, 2009 at 2:13 AM, nottheSEC (72.43) wrote:

Anticitrade it seems that verniums (VRNM) which has BP and  US Energy department money will have an easier time making biodiesel from sugars which would be always prevelent and eaisly derived. Real speculative though at .78.

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