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September 18, 2009 – Comments (35) | RELATED TICKERS: AME , RICA

It's a policy for me to add, build, make a positive difference or keep my peace if something doesn't go well for my taste and I wouldn't post this blog if I didn't came across this blog.

I saw not only the post is getting recommended but also called FUNNY, satire, and the blogger's signature!!! Not also that but Jake and other TMF people are there as well to add to the entertainment of a post that not only by all standards of CAPS but also common sense and decency should be scrutinized not applauded.

I know where's the man is coming from and what he is trying to say but being right in one respect doesn't give you the right to humiliate an entire great group of people that I call Americans.

I wasn't born in America and I have no preference to a nation above another. Not the way I believe life should be thought of. But what I know beyond the shred of doubt by being born and lived in different parts of the worlds that, no matter how you think of America, America at least is the least worst of all. They are the closest thing to many things that we should build upon as human race to reach a better step in our evolution. Americans are everyone. Look to your neighbor and chances you will find another skin color, different language, religion, or culture. We are not perfect by all means but we will be there if we stand true to our dreams of a better life to everyone of us. It's unfortunate that I know that many of the people who visit CAPS are born Americans but they let a comment such as this get little critique:

"The only true way to escape an American infidel fate of suffering is to spit on your country, burn your flag and leave!"

If the author is truly from the "non-infidel" countries or not, that doesn't make a difference maybe even make it worse if he is an American but I will tell you clearly that you should kiss the dust of this county called America that he is encouraging you to spit on.

Take it from someone who really knows what America really is.

My heart is heavy and I hoped my comments will ease the pain caused for some after reading the blog I mentioned above. Keep the faith and keep believing in your country. It's TRUE! No matter they try to tell you otherwise.

                       I hope this will find you and yours well.

GoodVibe

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#1) On September 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM, dogbert415 (< 20) wrote:

+1 rec.  Great post GV.

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#2) On September 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM, awallejr (81.50) wrote:

Thank you GV.  And it is sad when other blogs offering money making ideas get only 2 recs (like IBDvalueinvest's recent blog).  It also does disappoint me that TMF lets it continue.  My respect for TMF as a serious investment site has dropped dramatically because of their participation in it.

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#3) On September 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, GoodVibe4Ever (98.85) wrote:

I hope this blog will never be directed to the other side by attacking another group of people as I see also on that other blog. I extend my hand to our Muslim brothers and sisters. I know that the blogger mentioned above doesn't truly represent who they truly are.

I extend my comment with congratulating them for happy end of Ramadan and Eid Mubarak.

Click here for greeting from GoodVibe.

GoodVibe

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#4) On September 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM, outoffocus (23.56) wrote:

Well one thing I've noticed is that any blog post who's title includes the name of CAPS member in the Top 10 (or Alstry) automatically gets 20 recs.  Go figure.  Put my name in the title of a blog post and I promise you that blog will get 0 recs. lol

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#5) On September 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ikkyu2 (94.46) wrote:

I admire how you always keep it positive, GoodVibe.

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#6) On September 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM, lemoneater (68.63) wrote:

I agree that anti-America blogs bother me. I didn't take it as a joke either, and I in no way agree with the anti-infidel sentiments found there. Having contempt for others is not good even when you strongly disagree with what they believe. I wish that I hadn't left a comment there because I think it was misunderstood.

awallejr, unfortunately sound financial advice doesn't always get as many recs as what is seen as entertainment.

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#7) On September 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, ocsurf (64.81) wrote:

Great Post!

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#8) On September 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Option1307 (30.54) wrote:

Good post GV!

This guy was around way before your time here GV, always saying similar things. Several people were angered etc., but for the most part I think the Fool community assumed he was joking/crazy either way not important. I'm in no supporting his comments and I do believe many people can be very offended by them, but I just suggest that we don't take them too seriously. After all, it is the internet which is anonomous, who knows the true identity of this person. Maybe it is just some punk making a sick joke.

Now if somebody said this to me in person, that'd be a different story... :)

Thanks for staying positive GV!

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#9) On September 18, 2009 at 12:35 PM, TMFJake (96.56) wrote:

I hope I didn't offend anybody with my post on the other blog.  Sometimes the best way to diffuse a situation, rather than censor, is to use humor.  Of course, humor is in the eye of the beholder.

Thanks for the positive response GV.

And I agree with awallejr, I much prefer to see blogs about stock or market analysis get highly recommended.  

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#10) On September 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Tastylunch (99.60) wrote:

I guess people haven't encountered DWI before, he's an oldtimer on CAPS  been here since '07 I think. He's a provocatuer, that's just his style. He tries to be outrageous just to make people mad, usually there are some kernels of investing wisdom in his retorts if you can get by the anti america slams.

GMX, Abitare and Alstry all have battled him before, they aren't gng to be bothered by what he says. Heck I think Abitare's view of America's future is not that different from DWI's (although Abitare likes America and wishes it well whereas DWI doesn't) so I'm not surewhy he's calling him out.

If you don't like what he says just ignore him, he usually stays put on his blog anyway. By commenting back you are just giving him what he wants. No one says you have to applaud or denounce the man.

In any event if he wants to hate on America that's his right as far as I'm concerned. What's more American than that?

The day we start censoring or trying to control what people we don't like say, is the day we lose America in my opinion.

FWIW I like America and Canada too, even the crazy nutjobs we may have residing there. :)

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#11) On September 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Do not let your heart be heavy. The young person IMHO so full of hate because of hurt. I read his blogs because I need to see different viewpoints to form my oppions. This is how I learn. He just need to grow and learn. Some day he will grow up.

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#12) On September 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM, ChannelDunlap (< 20) wrote:

Everyone just needs to chill out.  Drink a beer, smoke a joint, whatever it takes to not flip out when someone critisizes America.  Jeez.

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#13) On September 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (98.85) wrote:

Option - It's not the messenger I am talking about here. He has all the right in the world to speak up his mind in whatever format he wishes (unless he entices physical violence against others). Freedom of expression is also a gift that was given to him by America where very few places in the world allow as much as America does! :)

I am after the message that get recommended and discussed by tens of people here instead of other worthy topics that require our attention. We are all anonymous behind avatars but we know pretty well that there are real people and real minds behind those avatars. If such discourse (seen from that blog I mentioned) is what garner our attention, contributions, time, and energy, what that speak of us?

I believe ignoring such blogs and characters is the best course to take. I believe that ignoring them is a dish best served cold and without affection or suppression.

GoodVibe

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#14) On September 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (98.85) wrote:

Tasty - I think my previous comment answered you as well. :) Just missed yours. I am aware of him when I came here on CAPS and was glad that he stopped blogging.

Again, I was not offended by him (I witnessed much hatred in this world more than you can imagine and I am fine with it) and I never mentioned anything about censoring him in my blog or comments. My point was that as you mentioned; people were not ignoring him but contributing to the hatred and dragging other innocent group of people to pin down against Americans.

I wouldn't post this blog if I saw him ignored. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. By this blog, I hope I will halt his move back and make people think twice before commenting or recommending his blogs for whatever reason they think they do. They can read it, it's their right as well as his right to speak whatever as I said.

But after all, if they decide not to listen to what my blog means, it's FREE country after all. :) I am just practicing my right to freedom of expression that America gave me.

GoodVibe

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#15) On September 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Option1307 (30.54) wrote:

 If such discourse (seen from that blog I mentioned) is what garner our attention, contributions, time, and energy, what that speak of us?

Valid point you have here GV, and I wish as you do that there was more interest in debating investment/stock advice/etc here on Caps.

I believe ignoring such blogs and characters is the best course to take. I believe that ignoring them is a dish best served cold and without affection or suppression.

Taking the stance that you do, consistently over your time here at the Fool, is a very admirable trait. Many people cold learn from your character, I thank you for that. Best of luck to you, ahve a good weekend!

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#16) On September 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Tastylunch (99.60) wrote:

GoodVibe4Ever

No worries man. looks like I should have waited to comment since you basically said in comment #13 all I had to say anyway.

In any event my comment was more directed to the CAPS masses ,who seem shocked/offended by DWI, than you anyway.I already know you know how to handle this sort of thing. :)

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#17) On September 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM, StrongTrader (< 20) wrote:

Good post GV. Surely that blogger you mentioned has no clue as to what he is doing. He recommended leaving the country but to where? Obviously he is ignorant to the fact that our current situation involves nearly all the major countries in the world. He is nothing but a preacher who brags about making money in a "bull" marlet. What a nice credibility he has there ...

Sure the nation's political figures aren't exactly up to par, but this doesn't deny the fact that the country is still rich with opportunities and talent. 

 

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#18) On September 18, 2009 at 2:13 PM, whereaminow (94.26) wrote:

America is an abstract concept.  From a practical point of view, hating an abstract concept only takes you so far. At some point, that hatred must be directed at something tangible, an institution or an individual.

Of course, Americans know this game well. It's difficult to get 300,000,000 to give up their liberties with a simple hatred and fear of Islam.  It's much easier if you convince them that the a bearded boogeyman is going to nuke them in the middle of the night.

But the fear is always there.  Just go to google, type in I Am Extremely Terrified and notice what is at the top of the suggestion list.

I believe it was Arthur Schopenhauer who said that nationalistic pride is the cheapest kind of pride, and has the least positive value.  I am pretty sure it was Randolph Bourne who noted that the average person is not concerned with what happens in other countries.  It is the State that finds the enemies and then sells hatred.  I know it was Rothbard who pointed out so clearly that We and the State can never be the same thing.  It would mean that We support all State actions, which can never be true (note the 30% approval of the Iraq War since Bush's first term.)

DWI is a goof, but at least he's funny.  Nationalistic waxings are neither funny, relevant, nor the least bit interesting.

David in Qatar

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#19) On September 18, 2009 at 3:42 PM, jstegma (99.69) wrote:

doesn't give you the right to humiliate an entire great group of people that I call Americans.

Maybe lame Americans are humiliated, but I'd like to think most Americans have a little thicker skin than that.  If people are humiliated by words on a message board, that's their problem, not the poster.

you should kiss the dust of this county called America that he is encouraging you to spit on.

No, we don't need him over here kissing our dust.  He can stay where he is and kiss his own country's dust.

 

Goodvibe - I don't think you get America.  Americans don't get caused pain by some dude on a board calling us infidels.  We can take care of ourselves, thank you very much.  We don't need you and your non-preference for one country over another and your heave heart to try to cheer us up.   If we can't handle a few comments from some Fool called DWI then we have some real problems.  We're not the ones who freaked out over a few cartoons about a terrorist.

Frankly I would consider your post a lot more insulting to our country than the DWI post.  You really have to be pretty full of yourself to write that stuff, and you have to think Americans are pretty @#$%^ lame.  So as a real American who prefers America over other countries, let me just say "thanks but no thanks" for your defense of us.  We'll be just fine on our own.

 

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#20) On September 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, awallejr (81.50) wrote:

"who seem shocked/offended by DWI"

Actually experiencing 9/11 or having family members die in Afghanistan trying to find that mass murderer Bin Laden, tends to make you more sensitive to certain things.  If TMF wants to make this a political forum instead of a serious investment forum, that is their choice.  There are plenty of other forums out there where you can rant all about flag spitting and country hating. 

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#21) On September 18, 2009 at 5:01 PM, dudemonkey (91.48) wrote:

I kind of assumed that whole post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.  It was so over the top that I had trouble taking it seriously.

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#22) On September 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (98.85) wrote:

                         DWI = jstegma!

The only difference is one with a turban over his head and the other wih a bandana!

Really couldn't help holding this "not-so-good-vibe" thought to myself. Hey, after all I am a mortal man that is full of himself. ;)

Cheer everybody! Never take anything seriously but always remember that great evil starts with great people doing nothing or worse doing the same.

May the wind be in your back not in your face in case you decide to spit. :)

GoodVibe

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#23) On September 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM, jstegma (99.69) wrote:

Goodvibe - who's taking anything seriously?  You're the one with the heavy heart over a comical blog post.  Then you get all weepy and write this putrid garbage to try to ease our pain or whatever.  I couldn't believe it the first time I read it, so I had to go back and read it again.  Yep, it was that lame alright.  So I called you out on it.

I've read your stuff before and understand the sorta Pollyanna vibe thing, but I guess it just left a bad taste in my mouth when you were attempting to defend our country from DWI's silly words.  And I thought Obama was lame on national defense.  You make him look like Atilla the Hun.  

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#24) On September 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM, awallejr (81.50) wrote:

Well jstegma I will call you out.  This is an investment site which I presume TMF wants to be taken seriously.  If they want jackasses like DWI to spew his political crap here, then it detracks.  It also insults.  What you may find amusing, others may not.  And it is needless.

There is no "right" to free speech here.  You simply don't have one.  Not on a private website.  The owner has the right to censor you.  And when you get imflamatory comments that are off topic to the purpose of the site the owner of the site has the absolute right to yank it. And they should have with DWI in my opinion.  Instead they even participated in it. I do take people spitting on my country seriously.  Sorry.  I do submit DWI's post was absolutely designed to provoke. And I don't expect to see that sort of thing on an investment site that wants to be taken seriously.  I can go to the Yahoo message boards for that. 

TMF's credibility took a hit as far as I am concerned and I won't be wasting much time here anymore.  I will be spending more time on more focused and mature sites instead.

You won't be seeing me post much more here.  There are better places to spend my time.

 

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#25) On September 18, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jstegma (99.69) wrote:

awallejr - to educate, amuse, and enrich.  DWI's post was amusing.

The owner didn't censor me.  Neither did you.

I do take people spitting on my country seriously.

So what do you do about it?  Whine to authorities?  Maybe the UN will defend America.  

I do submit DWI's post was absolutely designed to provoke.

And it provoked you and Goodie.  You guys are the type he fishes for.  And you took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

...and I won't be wasting much time here anymore.

When do you plan to start?  

You won't be seeing me post much more here.

Thanks for pointing out that you had posted here before.  I never noticed.  But now that I looked, it seems your last post was some anti-Alstry ranting.  So we have something in common.  I've gotten a rec or two on the subject.  It's fun.  Why should DWI be any different? 

 

 

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#26) On September 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, zloj (98.56) wrote:

I don't think DWI's political crap here detracks because it gives us his reasons for predicting our zimbabwezation. We all want to know what makes him think gold is going up to $20,000, and his post explains his reasoning. And I find many all-American posts here far more insulting than DWI's anti-infidel drivel.  

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#27) On September 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, awallejr (81.50) wrote:

Jstegma DWI's post might have been amusing to a person like you, but boards have moderators for a reason.  They censor inappropriate blogs. On a childish or some politically slanted website feel free to post whatever.  But on an investment website stick that anti-American, spit on your country, burn your flag crap where the sun doesn't shine.  I don't give a rat's ass if you think it is whining.  Lose a relative in war fighting for your country then hit me with that bullshit line.

Enough said.

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#28) On September 18, 2009 at 8:45 PM, TMFJake (96.56) wrote:

awallejr, I respect your position and understand why you wouldn't find ANY humor in DWIs posts, whether it's intended or not. 

We do have a real challenge on our hands in moderating the community discussion on a site like CAPS.  We could take a hard line and remove *any* post not primarily focused on investing.  We could also take a hard line and remove *any* post that appeared to veer from debate and into attack mode.  Believe me, it's not an easy task to keep a forum open, spirited, collegial, and intelligent.

My post, as noted above, was an attempt to jab back with satire.  I understand that some feel that we should have removed the post, or at the very least ignored it.  If you feel I made an error in judgement, I apologize.  I'm doubly sorry if that would decrease your participation on this site, as I believe there's far more rewards to participation that more than outweigh any poor decision that you perceive was made with regard to this post.  

Foolish Best Regards,

jk

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#29) On September 18, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Momentum21 (69.68) wrote:

this is an extremely intelligent community and the site is perfectly capable of moderating itself. first DWI, next Hypno Toad...

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#30) On September 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Tastylunch (99.60) wrote:

awallejr

Well I'm sorry about yoru relative(s). I lost a couple friends in the Towers and the Pentagon so I can somewhat relate.

That for me though only makes me value free speech and our other freedoms more not less. I realize it's different for different people though.

You are right TMF has a choice in what they allow to be posted here. And I applaud their usual slant towards openess even when it's unpleasant or extremely unpleasant.

They've never made it a political forum and while invetsting talk has always been the goal I believe it's never been a hard rule.That's their ruels form the get-go not mine

As far as I can tell DWI did not violate the TOS with his post. I believe they have removed one of his post before which is why he hasnt been around forawhile. So it's not like they aren't paying attention.

If you wish to quit CAPS that's your prerogative and I wouldn't fault you for sticking to what you believe.

But if you ask me in all honesty quitting the forum because you don't like what one person says merely allows that person's voice to grow louder.It solves nothing.

In any event I wish you success in all your future endeavours whatvere you decide to do.

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#31) On September 19, 2009 at 7:25 AM, GoodVibe4Ever (98.85) wrote:

Guys - Don't take it all on CAPS. I believe that Jake's twice and clear personal apology is far more than enough. I agree with him that he and CAPS have a challenging job handling the discussion here. All in all, I would say they are doing great job than any other popular financial public website. I bet if they let loose of their active moderation in hope to get more participation like yahoo boards for example that their numbers will shoot up far than current ones but they don't and this is commendable to look for quality than quantity. 

We all get those kind of people in real life who are senseless  and destitute in common sense but we never stop participating in life. Same goes for CAPS. If anyone out there decided to blame CAPS for it, they should take it easy on them. CAPS deserve much better and there are many smart people out here you don't want to miss. [Hey, I am one for example. :)] Anyway, let's go back to normal and focus on more important things.

My blog here was meant for one reason and only core reason.

"On the Internet, ignore who offends your common sense. Participating in any way with him or her makes you as guilty. ignoring them is a dish best served cold and without affection or suppression. No man alive who is able to take anything will bare to be IGNORED. On the Internet it works magic." 

I hope this will find you well and swell! Hey, have a smile! Tomorrow is not guaranteed for anyone.

GoodVibe

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#32) On September 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Tastylunch (99.60) wrote:

Not that it really matters but DWI's blog is now gone, plus the next three he wrote in rapid succession.

I'd say this issue is way past over now.

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#33) On September 19, 2009 at 1:24 PM, topsecret09 (< 20) wrote:

#32) On September 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Tastylunch (98.52) wrote:      I'd say this issue is way past over now.  AGREED

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#34) On September 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM, awallejr (81.50) wrote:

TMFJake

Apologies accepted.  I do appreciate the task involved in moderating any website.  Posters assume they have a right to say whatever they want sometimes, when in fact they simply don't.  Afterall that is what the "report" feature is for.

While there can be a fine line between purposely provoking to be mean or provoking simply to encourage discourse, personally I would act with greater caution especially since this site is to help generate the owner's money in the end. 

I am human afterall.  GVs thread actually did calm me down, then of course certain comments riled me up again.  I did say elsewhere you will know when I am angry when I start to "cuss."

I am going to be honest.  I stopped my subscriptions. I don't mind contributing to sites I like to participate in.  I've done so in the past elsewhere. Once the site loses its appeal I just stop. 

I want to participate at an investment site.  I want economic discourse (provided it is mature), and I want to discuss stocks. I don't want to get into religion or general politics or anti-American rantings.  Other sites are for that.

I would appreciate if people don't reply to this.  Let the issue lie.

 

P.S., I hate when people quote my typos ("detracts") ;/

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#35) On September 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (98.85) wrote:

New chart update and blog can be found here.

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