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Translating Liberal (Healthcare) Nonsense

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October 30, 2009 – Comments (14) | RELATED TICKERS: O , PTI , N

Normally, I give no credit at all to our so-called "press." I can't stand watching the news. It's the same four stories repeated all day long on every station for twenty-four hours and then we change a couple of the stories for the next twenty-four hour period.

This leads people that watch the news to all talk about the same things. I remember when four different un-related people mentioned the swine-flu to me on the same day before even 5 people had died worldwide (and none in the USA at the time).

The sad part is that this gives the media far more influence than they should have. They can weave a tangled web of nonsense about Michael Jackson while Cap and Trade gets passed unnoticed in the background. The MSM is distraction from real issues and important issues, and I'm sure the statists love it.

Anyways, mini-rant over. Time for some comedy. The other day Wolf Blitzer actually did ask a tough question to David Axelrod about the public option. I will be translating David's nonsense for your reading pleasure:

BLITZER: Joining us in our "Strategy Session" is the senior presidential adviser David Axelrod.
David, thanks very much for coming in.

DAVID AXELROD, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE ADVISER: Hey, Wolf, good to be with you.

Translation: Hey funny beard, it's nice of you to let me steer public opinion by talking nonsense.

BLITZER: Is the president -- because we're getting a lot of conflicting information -- going to say absolutely that the so-called public health insurance option, a government-run health insurance company that would compete with the private health insurance companies, is he going to say that that's absolutely essential?

AXELROD: Look, Wolf, what he's going to do is deliver a plan that will bring security and stability to people who have insurance, that will help people who don't have insurance get it at a price they can afford and bring down the cost to the whole system.

Translation: Listen dork, the President is gonna do whatever he wants. We are going to use words like "security" and "stability" to make it seem as if America's healthcare system is spiraling out of control. We are going to sell this plan to the American people by packaging it as "helping the poor" a.k.a. those without insurance. Everyone wants to help the poor right? And I'm going to lie to you and tell you that the government can lower health insurance costs, by stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor.

AXELROD (cont.): He believes the public choice, within that pool that we're going to create for uninsured Americans and small businesses, would be helpful in terms of bringing competition and choice. He thinks that would be good for consumers and he's going to make the case for that.

But he's also going to make the point that this is not -- this is an ends to a means. It's not the essence of this debate. It's a part of the -- it's one of the tools and there are other ideas out there to bring competition and choice that are -- that are worthy, as well.
 

Translation: Capitalists like competition (NOT), and believe in competition (unless they can get the gov't to give them a leg-up) and so we will continue to use the buzz words "competition" and "choice," when really our ultimate plan is to force everyone under the public option thereby giving the gov't control of a huge portion of the economy (we already got a lot of the banks). We really know that subsized competition (a public option) that doesn't have to make a profit will be able to drive all other insurance companies out of business because its a little like having Lennox Lewis fight Mike Tyson while Mike's hand's are cuffed. We don't want this to be a fair fight.


BLITZER: Including what they call the cooperative option, a series of health insurance cooperatives that wouldn't be the public option, but would be some -- something in between?

Is that -- is he going to get into a detail like that and say he likes that idea?

AXELROD: He will acknowledge the fact that -- that there is that idea. There's the idea of putting a trigger on the public option so that it goes into effect at some date when it's clear that -- that a market is uncompetitive. There are a number of ideas.

But what is very important is that we have the kind of competition and choice that will help consumers. In many states in this country, there's one insurer that dominates the entire market. In Alabama, one insured dominates 87 percent. In North Dakota, there's one insurer that dominates...

Translation: We don't really want to "help consumers" because a free-market system would be the best way to do that. We want to gain more power. To do this, we will be putting a "trigger" into the bill that will allow us to force people into the public option if we can't simply drive the other insurances companies out of business. I mean look many insurance companies have state monopolies....


BLITZER: So why not break down...

AXELROD: ...the market almost completely.

BLITZER: Why not break down the state barriers and let all of these insurance companies compete nationally without having to simply focus in on a state by state basis?

AXELROD: Because we are trying to do this in a way that advances the -- the interests of consumers without creating such disruption that it makes it difficult to...

Translation: Because that would actually be free-market approach to solving our problem, and we don't want free-markets, just the illusion of free-markets.

BLITZER: Why would that be...

AXELROD: ...to move forward.

BLITZER: ...disruptive? If Blue Cross and Blue Shield or United Health Care or all of these big insurance companies, they don't have to worry about just working in a state, they could just have the opportunity to compete in all 50 states?

AXELROD: But insurance is regulated at the -- at this time, Wolf...

Translation: I am avoiding the question. It's too good of a question. I didn't expect any tough questions today!

BLITZER: But you could change that. The president could propose...

AXELROD: ...state by state.

Translation: I...I...well....

BLITZER: The president could propose a law...

AXELROD: That is not...

Translation: ...part of the gov't take-over of private insurance plan?

BLITZER: ...changing that.

AXELROD: That is not endemic to the kind of reforms that we're proposing or that...

Translation: That won't help the gov't to gain more power!

BLITZER: Why not?

AXELROD: ...that...

Translation: oops....what do I do now? Even funny beard is seeing through my nonsense...

BLITZER: Why not?

AXELROD: ...we think -- we're proposing a package that we believe will bring that stability and security to people, it will help people get insurance, it will be -- it will lower the costs and that can pass the Congress. And that has to be the test. We're not into a symbolic expedition here. We're trying to bring real relief to hardworking middle class people in this country. We believe the plan that we've outlined will do that.

Translation: Quick! Remember the capitalist buzz words: stablility, security, lower costs. Oh...and it must be able to pass the congress and centralize power. Help the poor! Avoid the question!

BLITZER: Because I want to move on, but if the president wanted great competition -- greater competition -- he could say let's change the law and let these health insurance companies compete nationally.

AXELROD: I'm not sure, Wolf, that that would -- that that would end the debate that you asked me about in the first place. And, you know, I think that the idea that he's proposal will promote that. Others have other ideas. But they are not central.

What's central here is that we get fundamental insurance reforms that will protect people, put a cap on their out of pocket expenses if they have preexisting conditions, make sure they get insurance if they get sick, make sure they don't get dropped off insurance and will a pool where people who can't get insurance today -- you know, if you don't have insurance through your employer, it costs you three times as much to get insurance today. Most people can't afford it. Most small -- small businesses can't afford to insure their employees. A lot of people won't start a small business because they can't leave their insurance.

Our plan would help cope with that.

Translation: I don't really have an answer...I can just do my best to make terrible ideas look good by wrapping them in language about helping the poor. I must ignore the fact that free-market capitalism actually helps the poor more than socialism (in any form) ever could. I will now list off the bad things insurance companies do to turn a profit i.e. turn people away for already being sick...drop people for commiting fraud....charge people that cost more to insure higher premiums....

So our solution is drive insurance companies out of business with your tax dollars because it will give us more power. To do this we will over-regulate them, create a "public option" that doesn't have to efficent and will cost trillions. We wont reform Medicade/Medicare because those were simply the first step in creating government run insurance. We won't really open up competition because even the insurance monopolies don't want that.

In short Wolf, our plan is retarded, but it will grow the size of gov't.

Dare

14 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On October 30, 2009 at 9:51 AM, DaretothREdux (99.47) wrote:

The entire transcript can be found here.

Also I don't normally blog twice in a twenty-four hour period, so for those of you who missed my last blog....

Feel free to chime in on either blog. I know how much many of you like arguing about healthcare. Honestly, I don't ever remember it being in the news until Obama was elected....where was the strong public opinion about healthcare reform during the Bush years?

Standard Dislcaimer: As always comments (love those), questions (will try my best to answer those), rebuttle (even better to know you can think), scuttle (less good but I like a good fight), recs (my favorite) are always appreciated greatly.

Dare

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#2) On October 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM, DaretothREdux (99.47) wrote:

On a completely unrelated note, I think I would actually be in the top 300 caps players if not for PALG.OB....I mean seriously....when will this stock go to zero....pump....dump....pump....dump.....still waiting for the final dump....

Dare

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#3) On October 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM, DaretothREdux (99.47) wrote:

Wow!

Be careful were you protest people....but I encourage you all to protest, at least, while you still can.

Hey, jail ain't so bad?...right?....right....who's with me?

Dare

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#4) On October 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM, nottheSEC (74.22) wrote:

 Dare on your rants...I remember when four different un-related people mentioned the swine-flu to me on the same day 

 H1N1 is a public health issue- I agree regurgitation of pop culture fluff is annoying- and need any publicity it can get.

Sadly we have to remind people to cover their mouth and if their child's symptoms worsen to seek medical atttention.

On Michael Jackson and the like and the dumbing down of media remember the below quote which is more true today than when said

.  No one in this world has ever lost money by Underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
H. L. Mencken

 On the public option its easy and NOT LIBERAL.

    When the private sector cannot or will not provide a good or service  the government takes over for better or worse. i.e Flood insurance through errp FEMA .Personally if the majority of health care insurance companies can provide and draft a detailed affordable solution that is somewhat binding I am onboard.    Independant and sometimes Dem Joe Leiberman is the lead blocker of the public health issue from what I can see. Blue dogs have also spoke against the public option. IMHO they all are "in bed" with the insurance companies   .

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#5) On October 30, 2009 at 11:21 AM, miteycasey (98.65) wrote:

On a completely unrelated note, I think I would actually be in the top 300 caps players if not for PALG.OB....I mean seriously....when will this stock go to zero....pump....dump....pump....dump.....still waiting for the final dump....

You should do some research on that company.

All the shares are owned by three funds, which are all ran by the same company.

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#6) On October 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM, nottheSEC (74.22) wrote:

 miteycasey on that I concur. Had I done a modicum of dd I would have never got PALGED.

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#7) On October 30, 2009 at 12:35 PM, DaretothREdux (99.47) wrote:

nottheSEC,

The thing about the swine flu on that day was that it was not yet a public health crisis. In fact, it was nothing. I even think that it might still be nothing when compared to annual "regular" flu deaths...my issue is that the news hyped it and made it a "crisis" before it was a crisis.

After all, the regular flu has killed thousands since january.

miteycasey,

So...is your argument that the company is actually stronger than people believe? Or do you believe that it will eventually crash down from space?

Dare

 

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#8) On October 30, 2009 at 1:27 PM, nottheSEC (74.22) wrote:

 Dareto 

 Perhaps that was true but H1N1  is NOW a crisis along with a plethera of other diseases including yes, regular flu. Again I dislike media's fluff channels especially most 11o'clock news shows BUT any attention you can get to the masses on ANY disease at ANY stage is worthwhile. Including this blog.

Dislcosure: Many of family are health care providers. That being said health is always before wealth and the best of fortune to all....J

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#9) On October 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM, thongpatrol (< 20) wrote:

Dare, i agree with you. where was the public during the Bush years?  oh, that's right.  bush had no domestic agenda or policies.  the healthy debate is good and it's about time a president has domestic issues on the forefront, regardless of the politics.  health care sucks and is getting worse.  any better ideas than a government option?  probably not, realistically.  a lot of people in this country need the government on many levels, including decision making. 

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#10) On October 31, 2009 at 1:35 AM, DaretothREdux (99.47) wrote:

thongpatrol,

It sounds like in your world most of us could never learn to wipe our own a$$e$.......

The reason your parents eventually let you leave the house (or kick you out) is because the large majority of people are capable of taking care of and thinking for themselves. Now do some people live in their parents basement into their thirties?...sure some of them do! But most of them do it because their parents never kicked them out....

It's time to cut the nanny state strings of the gov't, not just to save freedom and avoid facism, but because our parents can no longer afford to keep us in the house....

So, nut up America! 

Dare

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#11) On October 31, 2009 at 1:38 AM, DaretothREdux (99.47) wrote:

Dare

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#12) On November 03, 2009 at 9:55 AM, thongpatrol (< 20) wrote:

Dare,

 I don't get your comment.  big countries need their government more than smaller ones.  we are too complicated and complex to let individual states or individuals manage themselves.  the mortgage mess started because we didn't have big brother watching how the states policed the policies.    i think your views are extreme and in the minority.  facism?  really?  read a history book.  maybe two.  don't' get caught up in the rhectoric as most average to below average IQ carbon blobs.  you can diagnose who is at fault but can you come up with a solution(s) that affect millions of people where you can get a majority to agree on?  not likely.  most the rhectoric is created by greedy people who spend millions to sway folks to unable to think for themselves.  the government isn't perfect but they directly employ and affect millions of people in this country for the better.  greed will always bring down a society.  individuals are breed this way.  btw, your argument is as old as the dirt.  when you read a decent history book, you will find out people such as yourself have been crying about how big bad government is exactly like the Third Reich.  i suggest you work for the government and change what you think is wrong internally:)    

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#13) On November 03, 2009 at 1:23 PM, guiron (< 20) wrote:

We are going to use words like "security" and "stability" to make it seem as if America's healthcare system is spiraling out of control. We are going to sell this plan to the American people by packaging it as "helping the poor" a.k.a. those without insurance. Everyone wants to help the poor right? And I'm going to lie to you and tell you that the government can lower health insurance costs, by stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor.

The US is the only advanced economy in the world that lacks universal health care. The health care we do have is more expensive by orders of magnitude than anyhwhere else, and we get worse outcomes for it. I am a single man in my 30s, and I've seen my premiums double over the last five years. My income has not doubled. I have had cancer treatments at the age of 19, so it's impossible for me to get insurance outside of a group plan with an employer, and fewer and fewer employers are offering insurance.

It is unconscionable that in the richest country on the planet we let tens of thousands of people die every year due to lack of health coverage - many times the number of people who died on 9/11 - and we've already spent more on Iraq and Afghanistan than would require covering everyone in the US with full-coverage health care for decades, but instead we pissed the money down that drain in the desert. No other nation with an advanced economy lets their citizens die due to lack of health care coverage.

There is no justification in letting people suffer and die due to the profit motive, for want of basic needs like health care, yet we spend loads of taxpayer money and will go into debt like it was water when it comes to weaponry and war, and nobody who has a problem with healthcare seems to mind we're subsidizing about 25% of our economy with military spending, in effect the biggest welfare and government jobs program we have, all paid by the taxpayers. We seem to be singularly incapable of accomplishing the most elementary things, but it causes a great deal of damage to the economy.

In the end, if the Objectivists get their way, we'll be relegated to developing world status and most of our trading partners will start to see us as a good source of cheap labor to exploit, due to our lack of regulations and basic worker benefits - advanced economies are always characterized by a large middle class with good working conditions and benefits, and these days they're all characterized by providing universal health care, with the single exception of the US. And our colleges will stop attracting students from abroad, and people will leave the US to become educated elsewhere, which is already happening today. How an economy can be built on that is beyond me, but that's the goal.

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#14) On November 04, 2009 at 1:59 PM, nottheSEC (74.22) wrote:

guiron APPLAUSE! It is outrageous that we are all at risk of losing everything we earned with just one major illness even for those who are insured( es even insurance has its yearly limits). Like I have said if the private sector can pick up a possible government option almost as comprehensively I am all ears. So far I am hearing " boot-strap" talk which I am befuddled to see how that applies to health care. ...MY two cents..J

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