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Double dip is coming

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November 02, 2009 – Comments (9) | RELATED TICKERS: SPY , GLD , CIT


OK. I lost $120 USD + $7.99 commission on my 100 shares of CIT if it goes to 0. That was nothing to my real portfolio. That is not my point. I was just testing my guessing that US government won't be so dumb to let this one fall. Indeed, it does.  

US government is stimulate the wrong things 

Big items like houses and cars that debt-laden US consumers cannot afford. The federal government want us to buy more. If you have old car, you should trade for a new one even though you may lose your job in a year? If you have a small house or are currently renting, you should go all in for your savings or getting more debts when the economy is bad? We simply depleted potential buyers of cars and houses for the next few years with all these stimulus money. What is coming next? Once the government stimuli stop, the music stops. Instead of stimulating hundred of millions transactions of small items, we setup more big holes for hundred of thousands clueless people to fall into.   

 

State governments are doing the opposite of our federal one

US Fed are extending credits and printing money for large banks to lend. US Treasury is borrowing from Fed to spend and "invest". Massive printing is punishing USD toward record low versus bucket of currencies. 

State governments aren't lucky as our federal one. They don't own any printing machine. They have to cut costs, laying off excessive workforces, and raise taxes.  

 

Don't count on China to help US

 A sound economy needs not only steady and sustainable productivity but healthy distributions of wealth.Yes, top 1% super rich Chinese can come and buy US mansions with cash. However, average Chinese in China won't consider buying US branded toilet papers to whip their a**es. Until massive depreciation of USD (or appreciation of Chinese Yuan), the flow is still clogged from US to China.  

 

The second leg of recession is going to last long 

Any more stimulus won't work as effective (or counter-effective must I say?) as the first one. Just like drug, unless using heavier doses, it won't work. 

So I think we are going to have falling USD to cushion the sharp falling to make it a smooth and long downward correction until the middle class in US save enough and produce enough valuable goods that others want. More of the same GM or Ford cars won't help. US also need to protect its investment and intellectual properties.  

The US government has made too much mistakes during the good time. It ain't doing much right things during the bad one. The fundamental problems of this crisis have not been solved --- debts. Companies like CIT, even after 101 years of operations, has loaded debts more than it can handle to weather a economy downturn. Most cyclical firms are doing better in this regards but many of them still got hit hard. To get a different result, we have to do things differently. No one in Wall Street (GS and JPM likes) today are doing any thing different. They still give massive bonus to traders in their companies instead of beefing up their book.

If we continue to trash USD to the point that not many countries want to trade with us for our Fiat money, we haven't seen the worst yet ... 

Let us pray for the best and be prepared for the worst.       

     

9 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On November 02, 2009 at 3:47 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

China has most of our manufacturing jobs.

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#2) On November 02, 2009 at 3:47 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

China has most of our manufacturing jobs.

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#3) On November 03, 2009 at 12:47 AM, DarthMaul09 (98.86) wrote:

What the US needs is more companies like Apple, who make products that are unique, innovative and in demand around the world.  It seemed that we used to have many companies that fit this description (GM of many years ago, Microsoft, GE, BA).  Now we seem to have only service sector jobs which serves the local community, but is less valuable in international trade.  Until we can grow more Apples, we cannot compete in the new world economy.

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#4) On November 03, 2009 at 1:24 AM, cbwang888 (29.65) wrote:

Well, Apples OEM'ed lots of their parts from Asia Pacific countries. That is OK as long as profits and taxes are kept in US. But still it won't help much in term of jobs in US.

What is more important, in my view, is small and medium business in US.  We need more people to exchange and trade their services and value added products inside US. 

Too many big firms will create unfair wealth distribution problems. Top executives get paid 100x ~ 1000x of their average employees is not a good society. Because of the way Wall Street function (they care more about earning growth than cash reserves, they ignore debts for long time), top executives got even more greedy so that leverage the whole firm and gamble it (or they are naive so they don't see this coming).

The worse is that the US government are bailouting out bankers who are extending more debts to already debt-loaded firms to breathe a little bit longer. Little credits go to SMB sectors.

OK, once people bought cars through cash-for-clunkers program or houses with 8K credits, they will find themselves liable for more debts and interests. Then they will try to save many small items to make it up. So they go to Walmart or one-dollar stores to save some pennies by buying cheap junks (you know who made them).  In the end, who benefit more?

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic? 

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#5) On November 03, 2009 at 3:12 AM, checklist34 (99.92) wrote:

i do not think that a double dip is coming for a variety of reasons that I may start a new thread about.  :)

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#6) On November 03, 2009 at 8:11 AM, TDRH (99.98) wrote:

Next leg down, well presented.

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#7) On November 03, 2009 at 8:52 AM, cbwang888 (29.65) wrote:

Deja Vu:

 

More job cuts:

Johnson & Johnson to cut up to 7% of workforce

 

Bank writedowns are coming back:

Bond Report: Treasurys gain as bank fears stoke risk aversion

UBS Swings to Loss on Charges


Things are brighter for silver and gold:

 

Deep pocket BRIC countries are buying gold

IMF Sells 200 Tons of Gold to India's Central Bank

Record cash flow for a silver miner:
Hecla Reports Quarterly Net Income of $22.5 Million and Record Cash Flow of $32.3 Million

 

 

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#8) On November 03, 2009 at 11:14 AM, alexpaz (89.79) wrote:

cbwang, I have noticed that the Gov is stepping up efforts to curb insider info and corruption. Maybe Wall Street will be a little better for the little guy in a few years, but who knows. I'd like to see GS go on trial for manipulating the market, and /or using TARP to trade.

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#9) On November 03, 2009 at 11:26 AM, cbwang888 (29.65) wrote:

Alexpaz,

I think we need a outsider to lead reorg and reform of US Fed and Treasury first. Then we can hope WS to change.

Otherwise, wealth transferring deals like BCS and WB to JPM, AIG to GS likes will keep on coming.

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