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Update on the Chicken Farm

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November 05, 2009 – Comments (7)

The birds are about two months old, and are getting nice and fat.  However, our first growout is likely to be our last.  We are planning on selling the farm for whatever we can get, and hopefully we get close to breaking even.  There were a whole lot more expenses involved that our "expert" failed to mention, and the venture proved to be not profitable enough for  us to stick around.  I have no regrets and actually I think the whole thing was worthwhile.  I've learned some important lessons, and the tuition was affordable.

What makes a business great?  Chicken farming is a pretty bad business to be in.  You are a price taker, at the whims of feed and chicken market prices.  You only make money every 2-3 months.  Any expansion of the business would require a major fixed investment.

On the other hand, our henhouse and greenhouse construction business has much better fundamentals.  The factory for the poles was relatively cheap to set up, and any expansion would only require a few hundred bucks for another machine and some more cement flooring.  There is no real limit to how often it could make money.  The man who taught us the technique ran a factory in Shandong province and was building a greenhouse every day and having to put people on a waiting list.  Seeing as how there is presently very little organized competition in this industry and considering the uniqueness of our product, we might be able to charge a bit of a premium and still beat out any other alternative.

It only takes one person to manage this business, so we are leaving it in the hands of our "expert" and getting the hell out of this place.  This was his idea, and he is the one who knows all the farmers in the area, so it's up to him to make it work.

It's important to always have a solid plan B.  We're moving to Hainan island, where we have a couple of friends.  The weather is always warm, the food is great, and girls are much prettier.  I'm taking the first level of the CFA exam in December, heading home for a month to start up an investment partnership, then returning to Hainan where I can live cheaply off my investing while I make money with other people's money.  Seems risky, you say?  That all depends on how you invest.  If you invest in wonderful businesses priced to shrink, you don't have much to worry about.  Interestingly enough, most of the businesses are small companies in China.  Here's another example:

CHIO China INSOnline Corp.

First of all, the Chinese insurance industry has decades of growth ahead of it.  The U.S. has about 5000 underwriters, China has about 100.  The average american is 300% covered for various things, but the average chinese is about 10% covered.  The central government knows that private industry is going to drive economic growth and so they are slowly loosening the reins and letting private businesses compete.  CHIO is only a few years old but look at their revenue growth and margins.  They run the only website in China that serves as a one-stop shop for several types of insurance.  They maintain good relationships with all the major state-owned insurers while they are moving forward with plans to acquire smaller agents and underwrite their own insurance.  The management team is impressive, and the forward guidance is equally so.  In the long run, the sky is the limit.  In the short run, 4x trailing earnings and about 2x 2011 earnings means that a buck a share is probably as cheap as you're going to get.

Remember, Buffett absolutely loved insurers back in the day when America was poised for 50 years of economic domination, much like the China of today.  Will this be the Geico of China?  Who knows, but at this price, there is absolutely no reason not to own it. 

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#1) On November 05, 2009 at 6:24 AM, throwerw (99.81) wrote:

I should add, the website that the company owns is www.soobao.com.  when you go to baidu.com and type in "car ins..." it automatically assumes you want to search for "car insurance soobao."  i would say that's a pretty valuable intangible asset that you won't find on the balance sheet.

car sales in china doubled this year.  think that was a fluke?  buffett bought a big stake in BYD, the chinese automaker, i wonder why?  auto insurance is required by law in china.  the state-owned insurers are big and clumsy and don't compete on price.  they don't care who you are or how likely you are to have an accident, they just care what kind of car you drive, and you get the same price as everybody else.  this company has incredible potential, and wall street just yawns.  i love it.

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#2) On November 05, 2009 at 9:11 AM, lemoneater (73.36) wrote:

Thanks for the update on the farm. It is good to be able to evaluate one's own business in terms of practicality. Sounds like you had a valuable experience and gained some unique insights on business risks. All the best on your future plans.

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#3) On November 05, 2009 at 9:33 AM, russiangambit (99.09) wrote:

Fascinating. I love to read about real life ventures.  I remember you posting a couple of months ago how profitable being a farmer in China is and there are no taxes. As always, it turns out there was a catch.

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#4) On November 05, 2009 at 1:39 PM, throwerw (99.81) wrote:

i still think farmers in china are going to make a lot of money (more than what they are used to, at least) over the next several decades... the government is subsidizing half the cost of purchases of heavy machinery like tractors and harvesters, and there will be a lot more capital employed in raising livestock, etc... and farmers do not pay taxes.  the most obvious thing about all of this should have been the fact that i am not a chinese farmer, haha.  I am an analyst and an investor.  I had a lot of fun researching all the latest in chicken farming technology, and I got excited about the prospect of introducing it to this area, but when it came time to actually do something i realized i was not the guy for the job.  these things will happen naturally over the course of time, and there are much  easier and quicker ways to profit from the trends than trying to raise some kind of chicken farming empire from nothing in rural china.

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#5) On November 10, 2009 at 12:56 AM, chiewyuen (< 20) wrote:

i am CFO of a listed Company in Singapore, we are thinking of investing in chicken farming in Shandong China. we have  a ready buyer and they agree to buy as many chicken as we can provide because they are a big supplier of chicken meat in Beijing, Shanghai and other province of China.

we plan to build a chicken coop and other facilities in next year, we are considering to hire local professional to run the operation. not sure any government support available and any hidden costs. any advise from gentlement who have experience. may email me directly chiewyuen@gmail.com

  

 

   

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#6) On November 10, 2009 at 5:22 AM, throwerw (99.81) wrote:

my advice... find another part of the supply chain to invest in.  take a look at how the american poultry industry has progressed, and you will have a good idea of who wins and who loses.

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