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November 19, 2009 – Comments (79)

I ask in all sincerity.  Just brainstorming/thinking aloud here, all ideas/criticisms welcome.

At least for me the CAPS blogosphere experience here over the last year or so seems to be drifting  into "I hate/love gov't action/program/plan 987161616.3a" or "my political worldviews are totally awesome"  or "the world is aflame with fire that is hot - the inferno conspiracy" and unfortunately sometimes a "this dude annoys me" rant place. Some of the rants are quite entertainingly well done. But that's not the point.

In general I personally find that kind of discourse to not be very helpful to me. There's nothing wrong with it but it's not what I come here for. My intent with coming to the Fool is researching /discussing markets and investments so I can be a better investor and If I help someone else well that's good too. I don't think I've ever made money off a rant, even the ones I happen to like.

Granted the unfortunate reality is the gov't actions of late are hugely determinant to market matters on things ranging allover from its' valuation to its' component members future business models. So it is to some degree unavoidable to say talk about Oil business without taking the FED, treasury, your mom's vote etc. into consideration. But at the end of the day when I'm at CAPS, I'm primarily interested in the investments not the gov't stuff.

What I'm increasingly not getting as an enduser is investment ideas from the blogs here. I get plenty from the pitches and the CAPS game itself still.  Still I can certainly see why many of my favorite   CAPS bloggers here seem to be disengaging from CAPS.  The blogs are the best way to interact with people here since the pitch interface is fairly incomplete, so if you can't get what you consider to be good investing discussions there, then you might consider leaving altogether. Some have already done this.

It's utterly amazing to me how different the blogopshere has become from the discussion boards here. I don't think that was the Fool's initial intent. Evenso I think it's inarguable that the equity discussions are far better on many of the boards, despite the fact that GUI is much much better here (the boards are fairly hard to navigate and not very easy on the eyes).That might be because they have segregated discussions by topic/club etc. So if you want stock talk and only stock talk, it is easier to find.They have plenty of rant boards too, if that's your thing.

Frankly in my opinion there are far far better places on the web for rant content than the Fool Blogs no matter your persuasion (mainly due to the fact that other places make it their speciality and their users mostly come for that one purpose), whereas getting good stock discussions in my experience is fairly rare. And getting semi-civil discussions with the the humor the Fool participants are very well known for is virtually impossible. 

I don't think any one person is responsible for this evolution. Even if someone/s was/were I don't care who that might or might not be. The who is unhelpful, the What may be

My best guess is that it's a systemic shift  half unintentionally driven by the site's design (lumping all blogs together) and half driven by the enormous events in the world of the last years. Maybe the blogs should have more divisions like the boards so they can be more context sensitive, or maybe that wouldn't help. Maybe it's just a result of a blog format vs a msg board format. Maybe all discussions/news sites devolve in talk radio/opinion infotainment style discusssions. Couldn't tell ya, I'm not a website designer.

but it does concern me when I see guys put their own research (e.g. Wax and stocki711) which likely take several arduous hours to put together get significantly outdrowned REC and comment wise by the "latest outrage of the day" 10 minute rant. I hate to see guys like that quit, or not be as active because they don't get enough feedback/attention.

(let's face it, if you bust your butt on something , you choose to share it but few even acknowledge it, you are less likely to share future work I would think )

The fundamental analysis guys seem to get it worse than the TA guys which is funny the Fool has a rep for being fundamentally oriented. Maybe its cause TA guys tend to post charts. People do like pictures.

 

In any event I wonder if now isn't a bad time (with the next CAPS upgrades purportedly close to release) to reexamine what the blogs are and what they should/could be 

So Fellow Fools let me ask you these questions-

Am I nuts or is there an unaddressed growing problem here?

And if you do think this place isn't living up to its potential what do you think would be the best way to address that?

In either case what do you want out of CAPS blogs?

 

Anyway I'm curious to see if I'm the only one who feels this way. If I am , maybe it's I who needs to change.

 

p.s. If you want to accuse me of being the pot calling the kettle black, not going to fight ya. I'd say guilty as charged. I'm well aware that my own blog quality is all over the map. Sometimes it's good , sometimes it's bad. Occasionally I do whine about things I don't like, some other times I'll merely highlight an investing article I find interesting.  So I'm aware I have plenty of room to be a better blogger. 

p.p.s. I'm also aware of the potential hypocrisy that this very blog could qualify in some minds as a "this dude annoys me" blog when I derided those above. Hopefully you won't view it that way, as my intent is to be constructive. Whether I've succeeded in that I'll defer to you.

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#1) On November 19, 2009 at 10:37 PM, outoffocus (22.76) wrote:

Well I certainly agree that the quality of the blogs posted has been "diluted" as of late with rants about other players or politically motivated posts.  Personally if I see a blog thats off topic I try to ignore it.  If it is too off topic I will report it.  I'd hate to see the CAPS blogs quality fall to that of Yahoo message boards.  I get alot of well researched financial information from CAPS blogs that I wouldn't get otherwise.

Having said that as a community I think we do a good job of "discouraging" too many off-topic blogs.  Whether its by reporting it, "- 1 rec" (not reccing)it,  or posting comments asking to blogger to remain on topic. If that wasnt the case, our blogosphere would have fallen to the dogs with spam and hate blogs along time ago. Also, I think TMFJake does a good job of monitoring the blogs and being responsive the community members.  I like how TMF CAPS blogs has a balance between freedom of speech and keeping things orderly without being too overbearing (even though some idealist may disagree with me).   But I think if we can keep this up we will continue to see high quality content on CAPS blogs.  

The biggest challenge is combing through all the blogs and find what interests you.  If you aren't a permabear you may not want to read Alstry's 5 blogs.  If you are not libertarian, you may not care so much for Whereaminow or Daretothredux.  If you are not into TA, you may want to skip past GoodVibes or Binve. If you are not a Futurama fan, you may not want to give any glory to the Hypno Toad.  The problem is the CAPS blog front page has a limited amount a room to show the most recent blog posts.  So whenever someone else posts a blog, the previous blogs get pushed off the front page and many people may not want to go through the extra step of clicking on that link on the bottom.  Maybe, TMF can consider adding a "hide" feature on the front page which would allow you to read the blogs you want to see and hide the blogs you don't.  That would help eliminate the problem of people's blogs getting pushed off the front page before people have a chance to read them. 

Thats the only suggestion I have.  Other than that I am addicted to CAPS.  I guess thats clearly evidenced by me replying to this at 1030 pm. 

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#2) On November 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM, UltraLong (100.00) wrote:

So what youre saying is i shouldn't post a blog titled "look at me" and see how many recommendations I get?

Well aren't you the fun killer..... =) 

UltraLong

 

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#3) On November 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM, maximumrebel1 (80.61) wrote:

As someone who primarily posts about Political issues, I believe that they tie hand in hand with investing.  I know that has been the case in my personaly life and I think increasing knowledge and expanding viewpoints will only be a boost to your stock picking abilities.

 I will expand if neccesary on these opinions if I need to but hopefully I don't I need to go to bed :)

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#4) On November 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM, meganchip (53.84) wrote:

Am I nuts or is there an unaddressed growing problem here?

I am pretty new here. I was initially drawn to the blogs over the discussion boards because the conversation on the boards is spotty and it's hard to view/use easily. But I found the blogs like you're talking about really useless. I don't really mind and don't complain because I can ignore ... but when you start ignoring more than you are reading you wander away. 

And if you do think this place isn't living up to its potential what do you think would be the best way to address that?

Blogs can be categorized depending on the structure of the site. Too many categories (a la discussion boards) are conversation killers (a la discussion boards). 

In either case what do you want out of CAPS blogs?

I love reading about others ideas on stocks as well as my particular interest at the moment - investing 101. I've learned a lot from the blogs and the comments on mine. A lot of great people here but I'll continue to look for more investing specific discussion ... which I may never find (yahoo is so much worse).

Either that or I'll just join in with my next post featuring healthcare, the president, god, my favorite sports team avatar and by the way it's the end of the world as we know it.

Your blog is quite annoying in a constructive sort of way ;-) Great job 

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#5) On November 19, 2009 at 10:51 PM, catoismymotor (84.06) wrote:

I understand where you are coming from. I think these days ideas about healthcare reform, faith, bail outs, record unemployment and who has the best pizza in Tampa are bubbling just below the surface. Many of us have concerns and thoughts forged in the furnace of passon. It is so easy for them to flow and spill into a community such as this where debate is encourage. Sadly I see more people reacting to negativity with negativity. That is not a productive method to handle anything.

 

I think until things calm down to a low boil we are going to see posts on these non-financial topics. That is out of our control. The best we can do is not comment or rec, just lets them roll buy.

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#6) On November 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM, catoismymotor (84.06) wrote:

BTW: I am guilty as can be about posting non-financial topics. I'm trying to find a twelve step to join. :)

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#7) On November 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

outoffocus

thanks for the thoughts.

First off hats to TMF jake and the CAPS team. They have always been unusaully responsive at least in my dealings with them. Thanks for reminding me to do that.

I agree and disagree with you a bit. I have no problem with any the people you mentioned above.  And I get what you are saying about skipping conetne you don't want to read. I do that already. 

The issue I think is perhaps CAPS blogs have grown to the point where it's getting difficult to find the content you do want. I guess I'm just wondering I guess if CAPS blog format is too general for it's own good. 

Let's face it fundamental analysis is less "sexy" than rants, so comeptitng head to head with a discussion over the latests bill going through congress is always likley to get less atenttion in the blogs and hence probably overlooked. The Rec system seems to be reinforcing this notion that rants are better than analysis. Which is too bad, if you ask me it should be the reverse,

It just worries me a bit to see many players I've gotten to know pack it in or dial it down without really being replaced by new players of their type. I've had some in private tell me that their experience on the blogs were a big part of it.

I don't have a good answer for this, which is why I brought it up.

I'd hate to see the CAPS blogs quality fall to that of Yahoo message boards.  I get alot of well researched financial information from CAPS blogs that I wouldn't get otherwise.

Absolutely I'm with ya. It is easy to forget what the blogs could be like. Of course once you get acclimated to a cadillac it's hard to go back to a chevy even if that's better the Geo you used to drive. :)

But when I look at the boards here at the Fool.com, sometimes I feel like we are really missing out here in the blogs. I'm not one for complacency. :)

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#8) On November 19, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

UltraLong

Haha! Capt. Buzzkill yup that's me. :)

that would be kind of interesting if you actually did that. :) Given your well deserved rep It wouldn't surprise if you did get a fair amount of recs

It wouldn't be the Fool after all if there was no humor or honest debate.

I'd just like an easier time finding stock discussions and the guys bust their butts on their work to get more love . :)

Loved your haiku post btw. That was one of my alltime faves. :)

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#9) On November 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM, binve (24.38) wrote:

Tasty, Hey man, you bring up some great points.

I unfortuntately don't have many suggestions. Maybe one small one:
- Up the number of most recommended posts per day to 10
- Allow only one author to be on the list at a time (so someone who writes several posts a day cannot dominate it).
That would be one step in the right direction.

Yeah, I find the Caps blog forum a lot less useful than I found it 2 years ago (I was a prolific Caps reader before I started binv271828, which is almost 2 years old now) or even 1 year ago. The top 5 most recommended posts are almost always rants of some sort. So I usually ignore those. I agree with you, sometimes they are very good and good reads. But usually I don't find them very "useful". I know this is a grey area, because sometimes rants can be useful. Macroeconomic rants, for example, can be *very* useful. But political rants are, by and large, just political rants.

In fact, the way I use Caps blogs now is to subscribe to my favorite authors in Google reader, and I get a notification when they write a new post (the CAPS RSS doesn't send full bodies of the post only the first couple of lines). That is how I knew you wrote this post here. I probably wouldn't have found it otherwise.

I was going to write a post here on Caps today that I wrote on my other blog, but then didn't. It didn't have a very catchy title so I knew it would get buried by the rant posts. So I succumbed  to a "what's the point moment" today. ... very sad. :(

As an aside, I found this comment to be particularly true

The fundamental analysis guys seem to get it worse than the TA guys which is funny the Fool has a rep for being fundamentally oriented. Maybe its cause TA guys tend to post charts. People do like pictures.

My last post A Look at Two Junior Canadian Miners was a mixture of both Fundamental Analaysis and Technical Analysis and it has received far less recs than any of my recent posts.

What can you do? :).

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#10) On November 19, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

maximumrebel1

As someone who primarily posts about Political issues, I believe that they tie hand in hand with investing.  I know that has been the case in my personaly life and I think increasing knowledge and expanding viewpoints will only be a boost to your stock picking abilities

I think that's inarguably correct. There are so many new laws and programs even ones' employment is significant affected by federal level decisions.

But a lot of posts here lately don't make the leap to investments from the politics, even the easy ones (like buy gold!).

I have no problem with political discussions. I just would like the main focus to be on investing with politics being framed in that context. I realize not eveyone feels the same way.

And since it isn't practial, ethical or fair to force someone to write about something they don't want to, I wonder if a slightly different format for the blogs might be in order so that people of all stripes can find the content they want.

 

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#11) On November 19, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

maximumrebel1

for the record I should be clear, I can't recal any of your posts at the moment (osrry I promise I'll go read some later!) so the comment 

But a lot of posts here lately don't make the leap to investments from the politics, even the easy ones (like buy gold!)

wasn't directed at you.

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#12) On November 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM, topsecret09 (52.60) wrote:

#3) On November 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM, maximumrebel1 (97.11) wrote   As someone who primarily posts about Political issues, I believe that they tie hand in hand with investing.   I have to completely agree here....  Another thing that must be remembered Is that we are currently experiencing an extraordinary period In history. We are In the mist of the worst downturn In my lifetime,and I was born In 1958. Our government,and all of the political decisions that they have made on our behalf affect every aspect of our lives on a daily basis,and  therefore have a direct correlation to any Investment decisions that we make now and In the future. We are dealing with highly volitile Issues that many of us are very passionate about. To tell you the truth,I would be very worried If nobody here at the fool was talking about these political Issues,some of which Involve life changing decisions that are currently being debated In Congress....  TS

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#13) On November 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM, whereaminow (94.04) wrote:

As fun as investing is, and I do enjoy it, it's not the most exciting thing in the world. It's nice to see people spice things up when it gets boring around here.

Besides, some of us have limited expertise. I mean, how many different ways can I show people that deflationists were going to be wrong? It gets old.

David in Qatar

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#14) On November 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM, DaretothREdux (99.30) wrote:

Tastylunch,

I'm sorry but to me economics and government (and by proxy investing) are so intertwined in today's world that I believe a person can learn just as much if not more about investing from a "political" blog than they can about a blog specifically dedicated to PALG.OB....

Of course, I am biased. I am as guilty as anyone on this site of posting seemingly "non-investment" related blogs...but conclusions can often be drawn on a macro-economic level.

I also, don't purport to be a great investor or have wisdom in the form of stock picks. I find the fact that the government can basically change the rules of the game anytime an impossible situation. 

I would also like to point out that my blogs are usually not "ten minute" rants and do take me a great deal of time and effort even before the comments sections where I always attempt to answer any questions raised, and if I recieve 20, 40 or 50 recs I would like to believe that people are smart enough to know what they like.

If the people demand political rants, who are you to suggest it should be otherwise?

Dare

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#15) On November 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

meganchip

I was initially drawn to the blogs over the discussion boards because the conversation on the boards is spotty and it's hard to view/use easily.

Yeah it cna be a definite problem. The baord interface is very very old and hard to navigate. But man when you do find one of the good active boards here at the Fool it's eyeopening. It took me nearly a year before I started finding the really good stuff.

But I found the blogs like you're talking about really useless. I don't really mind and don't complain because I can ignore ... but when you start ignoring more than you are reading you wander away. 

That's what I don't want to see.Selfishly for myself finding good investors and out of gratitude to the Fool. They've been very great to me I'd like to see them do well.  

Blogs can be categorized depending on the structure of the site. Too many categories (a la discussion boards) are conversation killers (a la discussion boards). 

I completely agree. The fewer the divisions the better.

Your blog is quite annoying in a constructive sort of way ;-) Great job 

Heh thanks? :)

for the record you blogs are among the kind I like.I don't mind lending a helping ahnd to newer investors for time to time. I find teaching/sharing is  great way to learn.

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#16) On November 19, 2009 at 11:24 PM, topsecret09 (52.60) wrote:

  Just as a short side note, I believe that once we get some of these contentious Issues behind us, and start reducing our massive unemployment( I have been unemployed for over 10 months) we might be able to slowly get back to a more normal conversation. But until some of these matters are resolved,the people here In the United States will continue to talk politics,because It directly affects all of our lives.....  TS

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#17) On November 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Bkeepr100 (81.19) wrote:

One has to look at many pieces of a puzzle to get a idea of the big picture.  Sometimes a OT poster can enlighten one on a reason for some of the "wave" actions of the market.  Yes, some people use or abuse the bandwidth provided by the MF.  One often has to dig through crud to find gems or nuggets that are prime ideas or profitable.

One of the changes the MF did awhile back was to move away from the"Fool school" heading tab during a change to the website. This was useful resource to me as a newbie to the MF.  Even using the core resources there to learn Foolish investing,  it took time and my own efforts to prepare for the day my 401K was rolled over to a IRA.  So far I have done the Foolish thing and increased my real portfolito $$ quite well, thank you very much...Buffet says something along the line, that you should be able to double your money every year with the right picks.  Till one has too much capital and influences the market with their investment movements.

 

While most of the MF boards I'm on are dying a slow death.  I always have to remember what one person always says when someone attemps to engauge him in a "dumb" type arguement.

"I refuse to engauge in a battle of wits with an unarmed person."

 

Just a few thoughts,

 

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#18) On November 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

catoismymotor

BTW: I am guilty as can be about posting non-financial topics. I'm trying to find a twelve step to join. :)

no worries mate it's not a witch hunt. Most of us do. I know I do.

Anymore politics are deeply intertwined with investing like never before so it is unavoidable to some degree.

But I do think we need some balance on the site. Supposedly CAPS is about investing at some level. :)Right now it's predominentaly politics and very little investing or trading.

Maybe all we need is a better blog system that allows different blogging styles to coexist better.

I can go anywhere for politics, I can go very few places for good stock talk.

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#19) On November 19, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

binve

- Up the number of most recommended posts per day to 10
- Allow only one author to be on the list at a time (so someone who writes several posts a day cannot dominate it).
That would be one step in the right direction.

dunno man I think the problem (assuming you think there is one) is bigger than that.  I'm not sure either of those would help.

But I don't answers either.

Yeah, I find the Caps blog forum a lot less useful than I found it 2 years ago (I was a prolific Caps reader before I started binv271828, which is almost 2 years old now) or even 1 year ago

Ditto man. You and about 5-6 other regular bloggers are about all I find worthwhile now.

I agree with you, sometimes they are very good and good reads. But usually I don't find them very "useful". I know this is a grey area, because sometimes rants can be useful. Macroeconomic rants, for example, can be *very* useful. But political rants are, by and large, just political rants.

Yeah it's really hard to know where to draw the line. Which is why I favor a syystem that alows bloggers to self select somehow. After all the invetsors want to to alk to invetsors and the politic guys probably want to talk other guys who are into politics.

In fact, the way I use Caps blogs now is to subscribe to my favorite authors in Google reader, and I get a notification when they write a new post (the CAPS RSS doesn't send full bodies of the post only the first couple of lines). That is how I knew you wrote this post here. I probably wouldn't have found it otherwise.

Hah me too!

I was going to write a post here on Caps today that I wrote on my other blog, but then didn't. It didn't have a very catchy title so I knew it would get buried by the rant posts. So I succumbed  to a "what's the point moment" today. ... very sad. :(

As an aside, I found this comment to be particularly true

My last post A Look at Two Junior Canadian Miners was a mixture of both Fundamental Analaysis and Technical Analysis and it has received far less recs than any of my recent posts.

What can you do? :).

that is depressing. I did rec that post but I haven't time to really check either miner out yet. Sorry man. :(

 

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#20) On November 19, 2009 at 11:39 PM, topsecret09 (52.60) wrote:

  TASTY........  Great Post.......    Gets everybody thinking. I tend to mix up my posts quite a bit. I have been In the stock market since 1982.It has always fascinated me,and I believe that some of the stocks that I have made suggestions on will turn out very nicely for long term Investors. I like to look at many of our members picks,and I have been pleasantly suprised at just how good many fools are at the stock picking game. By the way, I love your pick on ZIGO.  Tremendous sleeper that should reward long term...  TS

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#21) On November 19, 2009 at 11:44 PM, meganchip (53.84) wrote:

I can go anywhere for politics, I can go very few places for good stock talk.

You can say that again!

A lot of the comments are correct about these being unique times which means there is a need for political/economy discussion. I only hope there could be a way for readers to sort out the blogs.   

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#22) On November 19, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

topsecret09

But until some of these matters are resolved,the people here In the United States will continue to talk politics,because It directly affects all of our lives.....  TS

 no one is saying don't talk about Politics

Anyone who can read knows that poltics are unfortunately deeply involved with the markets now like we've never seen.

I'm just saying our political discussions seem to be killing the investing discussions and driving investors away from the site. A high % the best investors I've met here have left. Not because they've left the market (they haven't), they left the site because it no longer has the content  they want

I would just like way we can have both here at the Fool. Maybe it means seperating the two. Maybe it means doing something else

If this site is just going to be politics 24/7, well I got more profitable places to be.

Just as a short side note, I believe that once we get some of these contentious Issues behind us, and start reducing our massive unemployment( I have been unemployed for over 10 months) we might be able to slowly get back to a more normal conversation. 

hey good luck on the job front man. Hang in there. The unemployment situation is horrible.

 

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#23) On November 19, 2009 at 11:55 PM, topsecret09 (52.60) wrote:

hey good luck on the job front man. Hang in there. The unemployment situation is horrible.    Thank You,I appreciate that.....  TS 

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#24) On November 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

whereaminow

I don't mind a little spice, but I also don't find investing boring at all. It is my productive hobby and allowed my family to live a fairly  comfortable life for several generations.I'd like to continue that if I can.

I just think there ought to be a way to have both styles of content in the CAPS blogs and as I see it the smartest guys are bailing/going silent.

That says to me their needs aren't being met.

Besides, some of us have limited expertise.

That's an interesting point I hadn't considered. I guess I always assumed one way to get better is to practice and show your work to pulbic critique. People seem to more civil here and tolerant of differing skill levels than most investing sites. The Foolalways used to havea reputation for being newbie friendly.

Besides those who think they know everything usually are in for rough suprise. You can never learn enough. :)

I mean, how many different ways can I show people that deflationists were going to be wrong?

No question that is biggest issue of the day in terms of asset allocation. But there's more to investing than that one issue you know :)

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#25) On November 19, 2009 at 11:59 PM, topsecret09 (52.60) wrote:

   I would'nt have a problem with seperating the blogs,I am not quite sure how they would do It.....

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#26) On November 20, 2009 at 12:10 AM, outoffocus (22.76) wrote:

I agree and disagree with you a bit. I have no problem with any the people you mentioned above.  And I get what you are saying about skipping conetne you don't want to read. I do that already.

I think you misunderstood me a little.  I was saying that you in particular didnt like those particular bloggers.  I read all of those bloggers. I was just making a point that certain bloggers tend to blog about certain subjects, but it may not be the subject you want or need to hear about at that time. 

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#27) On November 20, 2009 at 12:21 AM, whereaminow (94.04) wrote:

Tastylunch,

The government plays such a tremendous role in intervening in every market on Earth that it's not surprising that there would be a lot of political commentary on this website. Investing doesn't happen in a bubble.

There has been a rise in interest in economics and politics. We'll be seeing a lot of people coming on blogs saying a lot crazy stuff. I don't think there is a way to stop it. Anytime new ideas are tapped (and despite what textbooks say, freedom is a very new idea), there's going to be some wild things being said.

I think back to what brought me here: the Bailouts. It was a political issue. It was a disgrace. It motivated me to get involved. The Motley Fool was one of the leading discussion places for the Bailout and that brought a lot of people here.

Once you get sucked in.... it's hard to leave :)

Investing isn't boring. It can be boring from time to time, but no , it's not boring. That's probably not the best choice of words. Besides, one shouldn't get into investing for the "rush." That's what skydiving, hookers with STD's, and blackjack is for.

But seriously, making fun of the Pelosicrats and the Boehner Boners is a lot more entertaining.

David in Qatar

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#28) On November 20, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

DaretothREdux

I'm sorry but to me economics and government (and by proxy investing) are so intertwined in today's world that I believe a person can learn just as much if not more about investing from a "political" blog than they can about a blog specifically dedicated to PALG.OB....

everyone is entitled to an opinion. Plus as I've said about 8 times now I agree that they are very inetrtwined. But even as horribly intertwined as politics unfortunately is with investing now, there is a lot more to investing than just politics.

I'm not saying people shouldn't talk about politics,I just would like investing discussions to remain relevenant here. Perhaps you disagree.

Of course, I am biased. I am as guilty as anyone on this site of posting seemingly "non-investment" related blogs...

I am guilty as well No one says it has to be all on topic all the time. And I don't think anyone is is the "villian" here. I'm not trying to finger point at anyone..

I just think we have a system that is inadvertently discouraging our best analytical minds from participating.

If anything it's  credit you political bloggers that their content has won so much popularity on site that wasn't intended for it.

but conclusions can often be drawn on a macro-economic level.

True.

I also, don't purport to be a great investor or have wisdom in the form of stock picks. I find the fact that the government can basically change the rules of the game anytime an impossible situation. 

I agree. But fortunately there are plenty of sectors left they don't give rat's patooie about it.

I would also like to point out that my blogs are usually not "ten minute" rants and do take me a great deal of time and effort even before the comments sections where I always attempt to answer any questions raised, and if I recieve 20, 40 or 50 recs I would like to believe that people are smart enough to know what they like.

you are taking this way too personally buddy. It wasn't a shot at you. I don't think people are dumb either. One of the reasons I brought this up asa question is to find out if that's where the site is going. The Fool has ever right to change format if they wish.The people have every right to demand that if they want.

If the people want politics instead of investing on a site that markets itself as an investing site in a stockpicking game, well maybe I'm the one who has the wrong expectatations.

If the people demand political rants, who are you to suggest it should be otherwise?

A) what makes you think I am? I posed it as a question to find out what people wanted. If they do they do. That's their right.

B) I don't think "the people" demand political rants as much as it may appear. There are a huge huge number of lurkers on CAPS. Even more subscribe to the newsletters and even more on the boards. But Maybe that's what this site will become an investing news site with commentary. Goodness knows there are fewbsuiness news outlets worth beans. A foolTV channel properly capitalized could probably crush CNBC.

C) this is marketed as an investing site. The Fool sells newsletters based on stock picks. It is not unreasonable to expect that to be the main focus. You wouldn't go to a NASCAR siteand expect it to be all about  fashion would you?

Or as you might say Who are you to suggest that an investing site full of investors be about politics? ;)


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#29) On November 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

Bkeepr100 

hey thanks for the thoughts.

One has to look at many pieces of a puzzle to get a idea of the big picture.  Sometimes a OT poster can enlighten one on a reason for some of the "wave" actions of the market. 

That is very true. What we could use perhaps is a better balance between the differnet content.

Yes, some people use or abuse the bandwidth provided by the MF.  One often has to dig through crud to find gems or nuggets that are prime ideas or profitable.

I have no problem with that either. I just haappen to notice that at least on the certain Fool boards good anlaysts get recognized Rec wise. here they don't. That makes me a little sad.

One of the changes the MF did awhile back was to move away from the"Fool school" heading tab during a change to the website.

There are talks of bringing it back. I really really hope they do. I think most Fool users are somewhat self taught and really benefit from things like Fool School.

 So far I have done the Foolish thing and increased my real portfolito $$ quite well, thank you very much...Buffet says something along the line, that you should be able to double your money every year with the right picks.

That's great!

 While most of the MF boards I'm on are dying a slow death.

Sad but true for more than a few baords. The navigation systems may be killing them I fear. The Boards arefull of optimists as well. Not many took the crash of 2008 well pyschologically either I fear.

 I always have to remember what one person always says when someone attemps to engauge him in a "dumb" type arguement."I refuse to engauge in a battle of wits with an unarmed person."

Well then I better makes sure to not get into a fight with anyone then as I'm sure to lose. :)

 

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#30) On November 20, 2009 at 12:44 AM, UltraContrarian (99.82) wrote:

I think the blogs should be split in two - 'General' and 'High Investment Content' (but perhaps with a catchier name.)  If an off-topic thread starts in high-content, a couple of people can just click a button and send it over to the general blogs.

I would spend 99% of my time in high investment content.

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#31) On November 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

outoffocus

 I think I do understand you correctly,I assumed you liked all those bloggers. perhaps I just didn't articulate myself well. I have a habit of doing that.

.  I was saying that you in particular didnt like those particular bloggers.  I read all of those bloggers. 

Just to be clear I don't dislike really any bloggers on here except for the occasional stock spammer. I just don't like the net unintended effect the political bloggers' popularity is having on the bloggers I like the best which happen to be stock analyst types. I don't think anyone means for it happen it just does.

I would like to see them both do well. There's something to be sida for a blog of great political passion and oratory  but there's also something be said for a piece of great analytical work.

I like the fact that the CAPS community actively cares about what's going in politics. The worst thing that could happen is apathy.

Maybe there's so much interest that the political bloggers deserve their own forum at the Fool. (that migth not be bad come to think of it)

I just don't want to lose our investing commentary in the process...

 

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#32) On November 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

whereaminow

The government plays such a tremendous role in intervening in every market on Earth that it's not surprising that there would be a lot of political commentary on this website. Investing doesn't happen in a bubble.

Agreed

There has been a rise in interest in economics and politics. We'll be seeing a lot of people coming on blogs saying a lot crazy stuff. I don't think there is a way to stop it. Anytime new ideas are tapped (and despite what textbooks say, freedom is a very new idea), there's going to be some wild things being said.

Then perhaps what might be best instead of "fighting" it, is harnessing it and giving these sorts of discussions their very own space at the Fool. Maybe that's really would be best here.

I think back to what brought me here: the Bailouts. It was a political issue. It was a disgrace. It motivated me to get involved. The Motley Fool was one of the leading discussion places for the Bailout and that brought a lot of people here.

Bear Stearns made me want to puke. In all seriousness I actually got physically ill. I knew any chance of this being handled correctly was gone then.

Once you get sucked in.... it's hard to leave :)

haha yeah CAPS is addictive. Although the game is what I'm addicted more than the blogs. :)

Investing isn't boring. It can be boring from time to time, but no , it's not boring. That's probably not the best choice of words.

Hey no worries , I'm the king of foot in mouth.

Besides, one shouldn't get into investing for the "rush." That's what skydiving, hookers with STD's, and blackjack is for.

Agreed, traders in particular fall prey to this mentality.

But seriously, making fun of the Pelosicrats and the Boehner Boners is a lot more entertaining.

Yes well they make me sad instead.  I get my jollies instead from spam fax pump and dumps. Different strokes for different folks.  :)

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#33) On November 20, 2009 at 1:11 AM, portefeuille (99.96) wrote:

a nice feature would be an "of interest to U.S. Americans only, if at all" label that one could use as an ignore criterion.

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#34) On November 20, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

UltraContrarian

I think the blogs should be split in two - 'General' and 'High Investment Content' (but perhaps with a catchier name.)  If an off-topic thread starts in high-content, a couple of people can just click a button and send it over to the general blogs.

 There we go! That's exactly what I'm talkin about!I like the idea of community rating the posts. 

I would spend 99% of my time in high investment content.

Me too. Well I would read those more often. I don't know if my posts would be worthy of inclusion but I'd like to think I'd contribute at least once in awhile.

 

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#35) On November 20, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

portefeuille

a nice feature would be an "of interest to U.S. Americans only, if at all" label that one could use as an ignore criterion.

that's an excellent suggestion. Especially since the Fool has a strong prescence in Britain.

 

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#36) On November 20, 2009 at 1:15 AM, dwot (99.98) wrote:

I think part of the problem is that good blogging and good research is very time consuming.  3 years ago I put enormous time and research into many of the blogs I wrote.  Part of what blogging was doing for me was to synthesis and organize my thoughts around investments and the economy.  When I saw the economy was going to tank and I figured my money would be safer out of the market, well a lot of the motivate for spending hours researching and writing went away. 

I don't dig into stuff the way I used to.  If I saw the market actually do something that makes sense to me my interest might increase again.

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#37) On November 20, 2009 at 1:23 AM, UltraLong (100.00) wrote:

dwot wrote: 

If I saw the market actually do something that makes sense to me my interest might increase again.

Seriously!!! You wonder why I have the skeptic charm cemented to my CAPS page...

UltraLong

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#38) On November 20, 2009 at 1:29 AM, topsecret09 (52.60) wrote:

#36) On November 20, 2009 at 1:15 AM, dwot (99.98) wrote:   If I saw the market actually do something that makes sense to me my interest might increase again.        I know what you mean. The markets are behaving In a highly unusual manner,and I am convinced It Is because of all of the FEDERAL INTERVENTION In what usually Is a pretty rational stock and bond market. As a technical chartist,It has been most disheartening for me over the past few months because nothing Is working any more. Whether It Is charting the dow,or charting an Individual stock,somethings not right. Its like grounghog day In the twlight-zone....   TS

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#39) On November 20, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

dwot

Hey dwot always appreciate your blogs btw. 

I think part of the problem is that good blogging and good research is very time consuming.

Oh Heck yes. I think you are absolutely right. Which is why I'd like to see system  better reward people who spend a ton of time on their own research.

I know I feel guilty when I do a cut and paste commentary and get 5 times as many recs as say Wax when he produces a spreadsheet on 200 companies.

there's plenty of room for both, but I'd like to see the people who really do some hard work get recognized.

3 years ago I put enormous time and research into many of the blogs I wrote.  Part of what blogging was doing for me was to synthesis and organize my thoughts around investments and the economy.

That's more or less my motivation as well. I don't usually write for others. The fact I've met some nice, smart people along the way has been a great bonus.

 When I saw the economy was going to tank and I figured my money would be safer out of the market, well a lot of the motivate for spending hours researching and writing went away. 

I don't dig into stuff the way I used to.  If I saw the market actually do something that makes sense to me my interest might increase again.

Can't blame you. Just think how many people would be so much better off if they did the same. I got 80% out in jan 2008 and even now I'm regretting it wasn't 100%

I'm even madder I didn't short builders harder than I did. 

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#40) On November 20, 2009 at 8:06 AM, JakilaTheHun (99.95) wrote:

Am I nuts or is there an unaddressed growing problem here?

I agree completely.  In fact, I'd go even further and say that it's gotten to the point that only about 1 in 10 blogs is even remotely useful. I think CAPS the game (despite some flaws) and the pitches work remarkably well at giving investors a lot of quality information about stocks.  But the entire blogging system here needs to be re-oriented.  

Only problem is that I'm not sure how it should be done.  But I do like your suggestion --- that maybe it should be divided up into categories.  So, when you create a blog, you have to select a category like "stocks", "macroeconomics", "news", "market commentary", "miscelleanous", or "political rants" ;)

Then, instead of the page that shows all the recently posted blogs in a long vertical view, instead, you get maybe six categories and the most recent 10 blogs posted in each.  

[We could also make "miscelleaneous" the default category, so that if people didn't even take the time to look at the categories, they'll automatically get thrown into that pile.]

Maybe Seeking Alpha's Stocks & Sectors page is a good example of what I'm talking about.  I don't want TMF to duplicate SA, but I do believe that the blog organization could take a few cues from that.  This vertical scroll down page just doesn't do it. 

Also, instead of simply showing the newest blogs, maybe we could change the rating system so that quality blogs were highlighted.  We would still have "recs" (which is a good feature), but maybe at the bottom of the blog, we'd also have a "rate the quality of this blog" feature with a 1-10 scale.  Blogs with the most recs and the best quality scores might get more emphasis on the home page, so that maybe you get a combination of the most recent blogs and the "highest rated" blogs on the home page. 

 

I'd also like to see TMF take more efforts to highlight good investment related blogs.  That may be asking too much since that requires active work in the blogosphere, but it would be nice to have a "TMF's Picks" category or something of the sort, on top of the regular categories.  

 

My personal opinion on most of the blogs here is pretty low.  Too many political rants, too many ideologues preaching about their utopias, too many pumpers, too many one-paragraph posts with no real content, etc.  But I believe the blogging has a lot of potential and we normally see at least a good half-dozen high quality blogs here every week.  

 

Also, fwiw Tasty, I think the quality of your blogs is amongst the highest here.  I always enjoy reading your blogs, even when I occasionally disagree.

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#41) On November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM, d1david (99.85) wrote:

great well written post..  yes, changes need to be made..

i have a suggestion... they could have the "blog" still... but the rules would be that the blog content be investment related, and not rant related. 

They can have a seperate add-on- it would be called "rog"  (rog comes from the combining of rant and blog".. and so that way users have a way to form community, even if they don't have the time to research and post in the blog section, they could then post a rog instead.... 

thanks again for your post...

i will have to look at Wax and stocki711 's profiles- thanks for the plug

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#42) On November 20, 2009 at 10:50 AM, AbstractMotion (77.85) wrote:

I agree with JakilaTheHun, what's needed is some rough categories and basic moderation.  By moderation I just mean an effort to corral posts into a proper topic area not so much censorship (though I have seen a few posts that I'd say border hate speech).  There's room for a lot of macroeconomic and policy discussion these days I think, and it's very relevant going forward, but it really should be seperate from sector or stock analysis.  On the other hand there's a few people who just post of volume of either scare stories, political diatribes or rants that really can't be classified as anything else.  Which belong in their own bin.  Recommending HR whatever healthcare bill you want or some 5 page dissertation from the Mises institute really has next to no practical value on day to day investing imo, but can deal enough with economics to be shouted about in their own section.  I think giving authors a chance to hide comments on their own posts might help, people can view them if they want to but it should keep the unrelated comments down to people who just want to read real discussion too. 

 

I'd also like to note that while some blogs don't contain much content of their own, I've found a few that simply pass a link to a good story along to be very helpful and really I think that should be a valid enough reason to post.  Maybe put it on it's own section like "Good finds" or something as well.

 

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#43) On November 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, eldemonio (97.93) wrote:

The fact that the The HypnoToad gets more recs than some quality posts speaks to your concern.

Political posts, rants, personal attacks, and the like dominate the blogosphere  because those posts are what CAPS players want.  The more those type of posts get recs, the more you will see them pop up in the blogs. 

We can argue all day about what CAPS blogs should be, but that would be like arguing about what TV, or any other kind of entertainment, should be.  The market dictates the content.  And right now the market wants drivel.  

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#44) On November 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, RonChapmanJr (99.85) wrote:

I like it how it is.  I don't care what anyone on here has to say about stocks (I do my own research) and personally never read the blogs that are only about stocks and investing.  I enjoy reading the rants as many other people do also.  The rec system is not great on here, but it does tell the bloggers what the rest of the community wants to hear.  If more people want to look at a spreadsheet with stock information, they should make sure to rec those posts when they come through.

ron

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#45) On November 20, 2009 at 12:05 PM, kdakota630 (99.96) wrote:

I was reading most of the comments here but got side-tracked by a customer for an hour and 2 phone calls so I just skimmed most of the 2nd half of them.

I don't really have a problem with the blogs for the most part.  Admittedly, there might be some people who see one from me and say to themselves, "not this Dakota idiot with another Peter Schiff video blog" but I assume those people don't bother with it and move on.

There are some people's blogs I read regardless of the subject.  I really don't have much interest at all in homebuilders, but I always read FloridaBuilder2's blogs because I find them insightful and entertaining.  TMFDeej always has good ones, especially about the car industry (although I'm not sure if he left or not), and I don't think I've learned more from anyone than TMFSinchy and his excellent blogs.  There are a handful of others that I always read as well like Whereaminow, Catoismymotor, GMX and a few others that I hope don't take it personally that they weren't mentioned.

As for my suggestions, sometimes there are just too many blogs.  I'd like to see a "hide" feature to hide specific blogs so that the list of the most current 20 can be condensed and ones you want to hide would be skipped, an "ignore" feature so that blogs from certain users can be permanently blocked (TheHypoToad comes to mind for me, although one should be able to "unblock" users as well), as well as perhaps a "blog subscribe" so you can be notified if one of your favourites has posted a blog.  I sometimes do that by looking at my list of favourites and checking when their last blog was posted, but that's not exactly the most efficient method.

OK, I'm off to see if Peter Schiff has posted anything new yet.

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#46) On November 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, leohaas (99.09) wrote:

Thank you so much for posting this blog, tasty! I have considered writing one just like it myself. After all, I frequently leave the "what the he!! has this to do with investing" comment...

I have no problems with political blogs. However, most political bloggers here on CAPS fail to translate their opinions into investment ideas. And that is the purpose of CAPS, developing investment ideas.

If for instance you hate how the FED is debasing our currency, write how we might invest with that debased currency in mind (a few 'gold bugs' have done a pretty good job at this). Or if you think that Obamacare will destroy our healthcare system, let us know how you intend to profit from that knowledge (I don't recall reading any idea on this topic ever here on CAPS).

In other words: play the cards you are dealt. Stop whining about the bad cards you get, or the rules of the game!

Failing to do so will only accomplish one thing: those who agree with you become your groupies, and those who disagree will ignore you. I guess that is what people like David in Qatar want: just read his comment #6 to this blog...

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#47) On November 20, 2009 at 12:54 PM, catoismymotor (84.06) wrote:

#45 - I don't know exactly what to say. I am extremely flattered. Thank you.

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#48) On November 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM, SkepticalOx (99.14) wrote:

I agree. The Fool should add a way to sort between the categories of blogs (i.e. directly investment related, politics, etc.), and then be damn anal making sure the blogs are sorted the right way.  

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#49) On November 20, 2009 at 3:03 PM, MichaelinWA (88.27) wrote:

There is no way, you will be able to get the political bloggers to control themselves. They are way too in love with seeing their political rants splattered all over the site, and thriving off of having people with the same ....issue...telling them how wonderfully observant and accurate their rant is. In their mind, anyone who thinks they should stop is engaging is thought control, or censorship, or whatever.

Anymore I just consider it comic relief, and then move to the blogs that are actually useful. 

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#50) On November 20, 2009 at 3:28 PM, TMFJake (94.75) wrote:

Just want to acknowledge that I'm tuning in heare and paying attention.  FWIW. :)

I'd be interested to know which people think is the better idea:

1.  Better categorization and blog tagging/filtering.

2.  Ignore feature.

Fool On!

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#51) On November 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM, kdakota630 (99.96) wrote:

I think I prefer the "ignore" feature, not to mention it would probably be easier to implement, although both are good.

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#52) On November 20, 2009 at 3:36 PM, outoffocus (22.76) wrote:

1.  Better categorization and blog tagging/filtering

But I'm biased.

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#53) On November 20, 2009 at 3:52 PM, PhulishMortal (22.27) wrote:

I'd have to go for the "ignore" feature, too.  The quality of the blogs has certainly taken a hit, but with a little experience you learn which posters can be ignored without much danger of missing anything important.  I already use the "Favorites" list as a guide for where to check first when I log onto CAPS. 

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#54) On November 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

Fools thanks for the great comments I'll respond to them after I close up  the shop for the day.

and more importantly thanks for keeping it civil. I think it's been enormously helpful to hear all your points for view. At least for me.

TMFJake

Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds into armchair webmastering here. I seem to make a lot of suggestions, I cna;t blame you guys if you get annoyed by me. :) You guys do do a very nice job. I just felt I had to bring this up to the community since I don't have a good solution to it and I've had enough friends leaveI thinkit needs to be addressed.

Well  my vote would be for both, or option 3 I guess. Or option 4 which is something I'm mulling over after reading some thoughtful points I hadn't considered. Once I get it hammered out I'll post it.

As far 1 and 2 go I think those functions do different things.

Ignore might be handy incase this site were to land a troll. Hopefully that won't ever happen as you guys do a good job modding, but it's hard to bat 1.000 on that. I'm not crazy about ignore in general as I don't like censorship. Maybe a negative rec system system would be better...

But I don't think that directs anymore attention to the guys who do their own work (which as DWot says takes a ton of effort and time!), which is what I'm relaly interested. I don't wnat to punish the rnat loggers I want to better reward the analysts if you know what I mean. I think 1. might better address that. After all you never know when a new talented player might come along and I'd like to be to go somewhere where I can give new bloggers a chance to see if their stuff is what I'm looking for.

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#55) On November 20, 2009 at 4:38 PM, floridabuilder2 (99.59) wrote:

TMF Jake,

I vote for the ignore feature.... you either like a blogger or don't and it doesnt change over time.

Tasty,

This is one of the reasons why I left blogging for some time....  I would put analysis out there (and my analysis is really repeating what I am hearing in the industry or beating up homebuilder valuations) and I get "the world is coming to an end" or "you just don't get it FB everything is going bankrupt"

yea..........

I will begin blogging about specific builders again, because whether people agree with me or not... residential construction will turn up and when it does the economy will to.... lots of data on the relationship.... 

I also agree with DWOT to an extent, I was involved in the market a lot going long and short so I read more blogs and did more analysis on my blogs... however, I barely have anything long or short left in the market... just some "fun" positions...

Interestingly, my analysis takes barely any time because I can read right through the financials or make calls..... my blogs take about 30 minutes - hour to write, which really isn't that bad...

Hopefully, you will find my outlook at thoughts on builders again (and some banks) thought provoking....

Finally, for those who want to do quality blogging I would suggest coming up with a theme and sticking to it.... such as TMF Sinch always blogging about gold....

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#56) On November 20, 2009 at 5:01 PM, TMFJake (94.75) wrote:

TastyLunch:  Not overstepping at all.  Always appreciate the feedback!  We're launching "Project Wall*e" next week, just before Thanksgiving.  We were going to do some blog work next, but some other priorities may take precedent.  Regardless, I like getting this type of feedback into what our priorities should be.  Per some of my blogs last month, I already have some features from the CAPS community that I'm working into our backlog.  Have a great weekend!

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#57) On November 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM, outoffocus (22.76) wrote:

I oppose the ignore feature because I think it will be abused resulting in more good blogs getting ignored while sensational blogs continue to get all the recs.  Ignoring is so negative and I think it will result in more people leaving the CAPS blogosphere.

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#58) On November 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM, UKIAHED (97.73) wrote:

TMFJake

 

1.  Better categorization and blog tagging/filtering.

2.  Ignore feature.

 

My vote is for better categorization and recommendations.  Let the author select the category.  Then the readers should be able to give a +1 or a -1 for the Rec ratings.  The reader should also be able to select a category for the piece – This should help to moderate the categories.  If I (the author) put a political piece into general investing – then a “re-categorization” from several readers should override my initial selection – should they believe that I mis-categorized the piece.  In other words, let other readers help filter blogs.

 

As to categories – I would suggest:

Political

General market

Company specific

Rant

CAPS

Questions for other Fools

Misc.

 

I’m sure I missed a few – we don’t want too many – but it sure would be nice to have a way to filter the blogs.

I would not use the ignore feature very often.  I find that some people that rant – also may have a gem every once in awhile.  I would hate to miss a good piece of info just because I got tired of them months ago and never checked to see if they stopped ranting ;)

And besides – some days I’m in the mood to hear a few good rants.  I would hate to have to take the time to “un-ignore” a bunch of people on those days…

My 2 cents – have a great day.

BTW, +1 Rec for Tastylunch and a category of “Questions for other Fools”  

 

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#59) On November 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM, UKIAHED (97.73) wrote:

outoffocus

I oppose the ignore feature because I think it will be abused resulting in more good blogs getting ignored while sensational blogs continue to get all the recs.

 

I think the “ignore” would be specific for each reader.  You can ignore me – and will then not see my future blogs – but that will not change what someone else would see.  It would not discourage me as I would have no idea who (or how many) have me blocked…

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#60) On November 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, kdakota630 (99.96) wrote:

UKIAHED

That was exactly how I pictured it being set up, although also extended to blog replies, so if I had someone blocked, I wouldn't see their replies to my blog.

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#61) On November 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM, abitare (99.58) wrote:

tasty,

Good post.

FYSA -

abitare is/was the Top Underperform player and a Top 10 Blogger and was the lead in points for several months.

abitarePERFERCT - has the TOP Fool badge 

As for me, I care about the political issues, then fundamentals are second. I could care less about Technicals

I post what I think is relevant or entertaining to fools. Fools reward or ignore my post with pretty good accuracy.

Things that are relvant or profound get 10+ recs things that are not get less then 10 Recs. Pretty regularly.

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#62) On November 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, anchak (99.71) wrote:

As usual a well thought-out post.

One thing though - I look at this trend much like your analysis on popular music patterns.

I am sure - it'll move with the tide.

 

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#63) On November 21, 2009 at 1:19 AM, meganchip (53.84) wrote:

Categorization!

As was pointed out by many including the post author, sometimes any blogger could write a post that isn't strictly investment related.

The ignore button could result in a lot of great posts missed whereas anyone could peruse categories depending on their interest. Or in my case, how much time I have at the end of the day to read before I fall asleep!

great thoughts, great post 

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#64) On November 21, 2009 at 4:41 AM, UltraLong (100.00) wrote:

All glory to Hypno-Political-Global-Macro-Toads!

I'd lean more towards an organizational bias chosen by the user, but I'm always skeptical if we can trust bloggers to choose the correct subject to place their blog into.

Maybe I'll just blog about Alstryfaction, its a chemical response whereby society literally eats itself to death, much like Pizza the Hut did on Spaceballs....

UltraLong

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#65) On November 22, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

My apologies guys, stuff got busy at work , I forgot I had to order a crapton of Xmas merchandise and there was the Ohio State -Michigan game too. :)

I'm just now geting off work for the day, A retaliler neer sleeps!

Well not the week before black friday anyway.

JakilaTheHun

hey thanks man. I think we are coming att his from similiar places on this. Which is funny in away since our attititudes towrds the market and approaches are often very different.

[We could also make "miscelleaneous" the default category, so that if people didn't even take the time to look at the categories, they'll automatically get thrown into that pile.]

If the category idea catches on I think this does need to be necessity.

Maybe Seeking Alpha's Stocks & Sectors page is a good example of what I'm talking about.  I don't want TMF to duplicate SA, but I do believe that the blog organization could take a few cues from that.  This vertical scroll down page just doesn't do it. 

Speaking of SA, they were the impetus for my soltuion I'm working on. But a different part of it than what you linked. I had never seen that page before. Thanks it's neat.

Also, instead of simply showing the newest blogs, maybe we could change the rating system so that quality blogs were highlighted.  We would still have "recs" (which is a good feature), but maybe at the bottom of the blog, we'd also have a "rate the quality of this blog" feature with a 1-10 scale.  Blogs with the most recs and the best quality scores might get more emphasis on the home page, so that maybe you get a combination of the most recent blogs and the "highest rated" blogs on the home page. 

Interesting idea, but I don't think it would help much. Maybe it would, but I think the real problem is that investing just as interesting to mots people as politics.

E.g. compare Bloomberg's ratings vs Fox News. Not even close.

 I'd also like to see TMF take more efforts to highlight good investment related blogs.  That may be asking too much since that requires active work in the blogosphere, but it would be nice to have a "TMF's Picks" category or something of the sort, on top of the regular categories.

Now this is more along the lines I'm thinking would work best. However I don't think it would be super hard, after all we have a submit to Fool editorial button at tye bottom of the blog. A quick cursory galnce could tell most editors whether someone did a lot of work and whether it pertains diretcly to investing or not.

But I believe the blogging has a lot of potential and we normally see at least a good half-dozen high quality blogs here every week.  

Agreed. The more I think about it it isn't what's popular is the problem but that people who do a ton of work aren't getting enough reward/exposure.

Also, fwiw Tasty, I think the quality of your blogs is amongst the highest here.  I always enjoy reading your blogs, even when I occasionally disagree.

Hey thanks , ditto man.

 

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#66) On November 22, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

d1david

Hey thanks David

i have a suggestion... they could have the "blog" still... but the rules would be that the blog content be investment related, and not rant related. 

I was leaning this way at first too, but the more I think about it the less I think that would help. I think perhaps what would be bets is if we find a way to better reward investment related blogs but still allow the free flowing nature of blogs. A lot of people do come here to socialize and eventhough I don't persay I don't want to take that away from people

I just want to be able to find the info I want easier if you know I mean,

They can have a seperate add-on- it would be called "rog"  (rog comes from the combining of rant and blog".

You know what I think that's right idea, but I'd invert it. Anyone can post anything to blogs but only Fool editor  approved blogs get promoted ilogs (investment blogs).

thoughts on this? I'll elebaorate after I'm done repsonding to the rest of the comments and you guys can tell me if I'm dumb or not.

i will have to look at Wax and stocki711 's profiles- thanks for the plug

No prob, vaue investors don't get much love here anymore, which syas to me value investing is the style to look to now. :)

 

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#67) On November 22, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

AbstractMotion  By moderation I just mean an effort to corral posts into a proper topic area not so much censorship (though I have seen a few posts that I'd say border hate speech).   It certainly would be gerat if it were easier to find what you want. The question is how. I don't want to split it up too much, as that may kill interest altogether.
 There's room for a lot of macroeconomic and policy discussion these days I think, and it's very relevant going forward, but it really should be seperate from sector or stock analysis.  Absolutely.   I think giving authors a chance to hide comments on their own posts might help, people can view them if they want to but it should keep the unrelated comments down to people who just want to read real discussion too.  that's an interesting thought. I have no idea if that would help or not...  I'd also like to note that while some blogs don't contain much content of their own, I've found a few that simply pass a link to a good story along to be very helpful and really I think that should be a valid enough reason to post.  Maybe put it on it's own section like "Good finds" or something as well That may be the single toughest issue to resolve I think. I personally find Portefeuille's blogs to be very useful, but admittedly most of what he often does is post links.
 eldemonio  

The fact that the The HypnoToad gets more recs than some quality posts speaks to your concern.

Ah yes the good ol hypnotaod. I remmeber when everydayinvestor posted a hypnotoad post and got more recs for that than he normally did for his normal posts. Sad stuff. :(

Political posts, rants, personal attacks, and the like dominate the blogosphere  because those posts are what CAPS players want. 

I think they do and they don't. It's just like people want music on MTV yet they end up watching drivel like Real World in greater numbers than they do muic vidoes when given the choice.

To me it's kinda like putting choclate and broccoli in front of people in a clincal study .People may know they should want brocolli more but I bet most would eat the chocolate.

I think what we inadvertendly have is a system that puts popular mass appeal content against specialized knowledge in an equal judging system. Not a fair fight.

 What I think we need is a system that protects and encourges the healthy core content (brocolli eating aka =investing)so we all cna enjoy the chocolate (rants, humor etc)

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#68) On November 22, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

RonChapmanJr  I like it how it is.  I don't care what anyone on here has to say about stocks (I do my own research) and personally never read the blogs that are only about stocks and investing.  I enjoy reading the rants as many other people do also.  The rec system is not great on here, but it does tell the bloggers what the rest of the community wants to hear.    Thanks for alternate perspective Ron. I think it's becoming pretty clear in this thread that the Fool means a lot of different things to  differnet people.  I do my own research as well, but I do like seeing other ideas.
 If more people want to look at a spreadsheet with stock information, they should make sure to rec those posts when they come through  I don't think that it's that simple. as I said to Eldemonio I think when you pit mass amrket apeal content vs niche content in the same rec system the niche content will likely lose.  At leats for me I come to the Fool for the nice content (invetsing ideas). But since you do not I can see why it would not concern you that the nice content is being drowned out.
 kdakota63 There are some people's blogs I read regardless of the subject. I do as well. FWIW i read many of yours, since I like to hear what Schiff has to say (that does seem to be your thing from I can tell). Which is one reason I think we need a system that allows content to remain free. Many of our best who you alluded to, blog about a wide variety of subjects.
   TMFDeej always has good ones, especially about the car industry (although I'm not sure if he left or not), Sadly I'm 90% sure he is gone from CAPS this time. I think he still is at Global Gains Newsletter at the Fool though.   As for my suggestions, sometimes there are just too many blogs.  I'd like to see a "hide" feature to hide specific blogs so that the list of the most current 20 can be condensed and ones you want to hide would be skipped, an "ignore" feature so that blogs from certain users can be permanently blocked (TheHypoToad comes to mind for me, although one should be able to "unblock" users as well), as well as perhaps a "blog subscribe" so you can be notified if one of your favourites has posted a blog.   I subscribe to my favoirtes though and RSS reader. The Fool blogs do have the capaibility. It's pretty handy.If you haven't tried it out, I highly reccommend it.
 A hide feature might not be bad. As occasionally i look for new bloggers.
 

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#69) On November 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

ah crud the formatting messed up there

RonChapmanJr

  I like it how it is.  I don't care what anyone on here has to say about stocks (I do my own research) and personally never read the blogs that are only about stocks and investing.  I enjoy reading the rants as many other people do also.  The rec system is not great on here, but it does tell the bloggers what the rest of the community wants to hear. 

 

Thanks for an alternate perspective Ron. I think it's becoming pretty clear in this thread that the Fool means a lot of different things to  differnet people.  I do my own research as well, but I do like seeing other ideas.


 If more people want to look at a spreadsheet with stock information, they should make sure to rec those posts when they come through  

I don't think that it's that simple. as I said to Eldemonio I think when you pit mass amrket apeal content vs niche content in the same rec system the niche content will likely lose.  At leats for me I come to the Fool for the nice content (invetsing ideas). But since you do not I can see why it would not concern you that the nice content is being drowned out.


 kdakota63 

There are some people's blogs I read regardless of the subject. 

I do as well. FWIW i read many of yours, since I like to hear what Schiff has to say (that does seem to be your thing from I can tell). Which is one reason I think we need a system that allows content to remain free. Many of our best who you alluded to, blog about a wide variety of subjects.


  TMFDeej always has good ones, especially about the car industry (although I'm not sure if he left or not)

Sadly I'm 90% sure he is gone from CAPS this time. I think he still is at Global Gains Newsletter at the Fool though.   

As for my suggestions, sometimes there are just too many blogs.  I'd like to see a "hide" feature to hide specific blogs so that the list of the most current 20 can be condensed and ones you want to hide would be skipped, an "ignore" feature so that blogs from certain users can be permanently blocked (TheHypoToad comes to mind for me, although one should be able to "unblock" users as well), as well as perhaps a "blog subscribe" so you can be notified if one of your favourites has posted a blog.   

I subscribe to my favoirtes though and RSS reader. The Fool blogs do have the capaibility. It's pretty handy.If you haven't tried it out, I highly reccommend it.
A hide feature might not be bad. As occasionally i look for new bloggers.

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#70) On November 22, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

leohaas 

Thank you so much for posting this blog, tasty! I have considered writing one just like it myself. After all, I frequently leave the "what the he!! has this to do with investing" comment...

 Hah np glad to help Leo.I half considered titling this blog, The "Leohaas Lament" in honor of you. But I figured it might not be taken as a positive and I wanted to leave individuals out of the discussion as much as possible to keep it constructive. :)

I have no problems with political blogs. However, most political bloggers here on CAPS fail to translate their opinions into investment ideas. And that is the purpose of CAPS, developing investment ideas.

I'm with ya 100%. Altough some of the people who disagree with us here have convinced me that what we really need is just a system that encoruages investment ideas more than it discourgaes things that don't deal directly with investing.

In other words: play the cards you are dealt. Stop whining about the bad cards you get, or the rules of the game!

I certainly don't blame people for being upset I am too, but like you I don't think it's productive to complain about it on a blog that no one but other investors will ever see. It doesn't make you any wealthier and no person meaningfully involved with actual politics will ever see it (or care).

So I see no utility in that.

I try to deal with my own political displeasure in the real world, when i'm upset.

But people like to vent I guess, and that's their right to should they choose to do so.

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#71) On November 22, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

SkepticalOx  I agree. The Fool should add a way to sort between the categories of blogs (i.e. directly investment related, politics, etc.), and then be damn anal making sure the blogs are sorted the right way.    Sure would be nice! Don't know if thats' solution exactly but it would certianly save me a lot of time (and probably solve a lot of disputes on here)
 MichaelinWA  There is no way, you will be able to get the political bloggers to control themselves. Well I don't really want them to, I think it's impractical not to mention immoral to censor people. Doing that would be overcompensating in the otehr direction I think.   I just want system that allows me to find investing conversations wthout having to rawl through tons of rant blogs to find them.  and you know people like Ron who don't wnat to read invetsing blogs would benefit as well as they wouldn't have to dig through those either to find the commentary they want.
 I think we can have both.
 thanks for the thoughts.

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#72) On November 22, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

floridabuilder2

Hey FB

I'm very honored to have you stop by.

I and many others here consider you the best blogger in CAPS history and one of the best business bloggers of the last several years.

This is one of the reasons why I left blogging for some time....  I would put analysis out there (and my analysis is really repeating what I am hearing in the industry or beating up homebuilder valuations) and I get "the world is coming to an end" or "you just don't get it FB everything is going bankrupt"

I've never quite understood why some people are incapable of having polite disagreements.CAPS is at it's worst when you get someone off comments fom dudes who are intent tearing down your opinion.

 In your case the comments awhile back you were getting were particularly dumb,You would think after all you had gotten right people would have given you a bit more credit than they did.

Never quite sure why some people outside the homebuildng industry think they know more than someone who is in it.

If I've learned anything over the years, it's to know what I likely don't know.

I will begin blogging about specific builders again, because whether people agree with me or not... residential construction will turn up and when it does the economy will to.... lots of data on the relationship.... 

I agree, this is the dnager of becoming emotionally wedded to a thesis. People alwasy seem to project linear movements to markets.Even if the surbuban hmebuilding business were to eventally dissappear it likely wouldn't go overnight or not have long periods of where it reflourishs

Dunno bout you but I prefer to base my decisions off actual data

I also agree with DWOT to an extent, I was involved in the market a lot going long and short so I read more blogs and did more analysis on my blogs... however, I barely have anything long or short left in the market... just some "fun" positions...

I'm 80% cash myself, been that way since 1/08. I use the other twenty for trading mostly and a couple investments when I see one. I did miss too much of the rally. But ah well .

Interestingly, my analysis takes barely any time because I can read right through the financials or make calls..... my blogs take about 30 minutes - hour to write, which really isn't that bad...

Heh, well some people are more well versed than others. Its a testament to you that you don't need much time to crank a blog out. I know i have to refernce check and look a lot of stuff up to make sure I'm right when I do a deep blog. It doesn't help that I'm a terrible typist.

Hopefully, you will find my outlook at thoughts on builders again (and some banks) thought provoking....

Alwasy do. If nothing else your color commentary can't be beat. I have a small CRE company so I always appreciate hearing intelligent commnetary on RE matters.

Finally, for those who want to do quality blogging I would suggest coming up with a theme and sticking to it.... such as TMF Sinch always blogging about gold....

Yeah I should probably stick to Retail as that is my main industry, but I get bored of doing it all day long so I prefer to go further afield. :)

 

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#73) On November 22, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

TMFJake  good deal!  I look forward to Wall*e!  outoffocus  I oppose the ignore feature because I think it will be abused resulting in more good blogs getting ignored while sensational blogs continue to get all the recs.  Ignoring is so negative and I think it will result in more people leaving the CAPS blogosphere
 I cna understad that sentiment. If an ignore fetaure is implented I don't think I would use it much. As I've said in the last couple comments I think the real issue here is adequate positive incentives  for hard work as opposed to discourgaing certian kinds of discussions

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#74) On November 22, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

UKIAHED 

My vote is for better categorization and recommendations.  Let the author select the category.  Then the readers should be able to give a +1 or a -1 for the Rec ratings. 

I'm not sure I like negative recs or not. One on hand I'd love to negative rec penny stockspammers when they come on here but on the other I'd think people may misue them based on whether they lied the poster or not.

I think negative recs could be really helpful for stock pitches.

 The reader should also be able to select a category for the piece – This should help to moderate the categories.  If I (the author) put a political piece into general investing – then a “re-categorization” from several readers should override my initial selection – should they believe that I mis-categorized the piece.  In other words, let other readers help filter blogs.

If the categorization idea gets impleneted I think this idea has a lot of merit. Possiby some potentila for abuse tough.

 

As to categories – I would suggest:

Political

General market

Company specific

Rant

CAPS

Questions for other Fools

Misc.

 Yeah I dunno. I don;t think we wnat to break it up too much. After all what would you call some oFrloidabuilder's blogs? They often contian components of all three.

The fewer categories he better imo. 

I think an investing ideas and blogs categories might be all we need right now.

I’m sure I missed a few – we don’t want too many – but it sure would be nice to have a way to filter the blogs.

No doubt. Perhaps theose tow catgeories I mentioned and a better tagging system?

I would not use the ignore feature very often.  I find that some people that rant – also may have a gem every once in awhile.  I would hate to miss a good piece of info just because I got tired of them months ago and never checked to see if they stopped ranting ;)

same here.

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#75) On November 22, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

abitare FYSA= for your situational awareness? In that case FYSA I'm well acquainted and respect your track record. I alos regulary rec and read your blogs.  Your gun thesis was a great one. And your short commodities call in summer 2008 was epic.  I post what I think is relevant or entertaining to fools. Fools reward or ignore my post with pretty good accuracy.
Things that are relvant or profound get 10+ recs things that are not get less then 10 Recs. Pretty regularl  I think they do and they don't.  think a large part of how mnay recs someone gets is how active they are in the community. Bloggers who coment alot on other players blogs seem to get more "love" than ones who don't.  But I also think mass market appeal stuff  (like a anti gov't rant or human interest story) will usually get more recs than say a breakdown on speicific investment idea.
 e.g. I think your Faber videos from today deserve far more than 3 recs. They were great stuff. but yet they weren't recc'ed as much as your stuff typically is. This inadvertenly discourages specific specialist knowledge I think.
  anchak 

As usual a well thought-out post.

One thing though - I look at this trend much like your analysis on popular music patterns.

I am sure - it'll move with the tide.

Hey man thanks for the kind words. I completely disgaree however

Just like there are no more Music Videos on MTV or VH1  I think we run the same risk here

When you lose specialist material and replace with general appeal stuff it tends to be permanent. Just ask VH1 if they'd like to go back to showing MeatLoaf videos and the ratings those got.

I think politics, human interest and humor have broad appeal. But good investing discussions do not. It tends to be specialist stuff.

One only has to look at you cable TV lineup to see that is the case. There are only three investing channels, one of which is pretty decent, one which is more miss than hit and one which is completely terrible. Not exactly a smorgasboard.

Let's face most investors stink anyway, so finding good ones (who are willing to share) is really really tough!

If we lose the Investors here I don't think they will come back.

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#76) On November 22, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

UltraLong

All glory to Hypno-Political-Global-Macro-Toads!

LOL nice :)

I'd lean more towards an organizational bias chosen by the user, but I'm always skeptical if we can trust bloggers to choose the correct subject to place their blog into.

Yeah I feel the same way. Ukiahed's suggestion might mitigate that to some degree, but I think it'd be better with an editor...

Maybe I'll just blog about Alstryfaction, its a chemical response whereby society literally eats itself to death, much like Pizza the Hut did on Spaceballs....

ROFLOL- I don't think Alstrydamus predicted that one coming, sounds like he didn't envision his own perosnal MOAP. :)

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#77) On November 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, kdakota630 (99.96) wrote:

Tastylunch

It was never my original intent, but yeah, the Peter Schiff blogs seem to have become "my thing".  I use my other account to post other things I've found which I find interesting which admittedly are usually in a similar vein to Schiff, or the odd humorous thing which is just too funny not to share, especially if it managed to be finance-related.

Any idea on what made TMFDeej disappear?  I had him on my favourites list and seemly without warning he closed the majority of his picks one day, and the rest once the 7-day thing expired.

I subscribe to my favoirtes though and RSS reader. The Fool blogs do have the capaibility.

Could you clarify that?

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#78) On November 22, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Tastylunch (99.46) wrote:

kdakota630

It was never my original intent, but yeah, the Peter Schiff blogs seem to have become "my thing". 

Nothing with wrong that. I'm more of Faber guy myself but Schiff is one of the few big picture thinkers who can see outside economic orthodoxy.

and hey if you think the way he does well it makes sense to really only need that. :)

Any idea on what made TMFDeej disappear?  I had him on my favourites list and seemly without warning he closed the majority of his picks one day, and the rest once the 7-day thing expired

I have my suspicions, not sure I should say as I haven't confirmed it directly with him. I've been meaning to email him.

All I'll say is that when CAPS readjusted the dividend calculation, including redacting points, I would think players who focus on dividend stocks would notice . If you know what I mean.

I do really wish he'd return as he was one the very best CAPS bloggers, but I think this was likely the last straw .

"I subscribe to my favoirtes though and RSS reader. The Fool blogs do have the capaibility."

Could you clarify that? 

Sure. It's pretty easy. First if you dont have one get  an RSS reader. I like Google reader, free easy to use and does a nice job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Reader

there may be other better ones out there but GR is plenty good enough for me.

 Next after you have that , look in the upper right hand corner of any Fool blog you like . You should see an orange button that has the words "RSS text feed" next to it. It should be in the same light blue bar that says e.g. "kdakota's CAPS blog", right above the blog archive column.

click on that and it will take you to a page where is asks you which reader you would to add the feed to. Pick the appropriate one and boom you are done!

Soetimes it glitches a little and I have manually add the feed from my reader, but I think you get the general idea.

If you've never used it I find RSS feeds the best way to get news/stock info. I get about 800-900 news/blog items a day. This allows me toto digest them in a reasonable manner of time.I'll probbaly cut that back at some point, but at the moment I feel I need that muhc to stay on top of rule changes etc.

Hope that helps!

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#79) On November 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM, BravoBevo (100.00) wrote:

I'm a little late to this discussion, but to the comment "I would'nt have a problem with seperating the blogs,I am not quite sure how they would do It." perhaps one solution might be for TMF to redesign the recommendation button.

They could make the button open up a pre-set pull-down menu so that the recommending Fool must designate whether s/he is rec'ing it for "General Investment," "Political, Economy," "Particular Pick," "Humor," "Rant" or "Other" reasons.  

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