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nuf2bdangrus (< 20)

You should be legging into energy and infrastructure

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October 15, 2008 – Comments (8) | RELATED TICKERS: XES , XOP , MOO

To quote Demon Doug, oil isn't priced in dollars, dollars are priced in oil.  Right now, the deflationary aspect of the currency is killing energy and E&P stocks.  That presents a lifetime opportunity.

 

Energy & Food, unlike virtually every other sector, are the lowest on the human needs pyramid.  We must have them before we can have anything else.  And although North America is the great breadbasket of the world, as well as huge reserves of natural gas, we have a much smaller percentage of oil reserves.

 

Because of geopolitical concerns, natural gas no doubt will find itself the fuel of the future.  Years from now, you will be looking at these fire sale prices and wish you bought.  Ignore the noise, and concentrate on these  areas.  E&P, Equipment services, refining, the midstream MLP's, and natural gas/Canadian energies.

 

XES   XOP offer great baskets in the first 2 categories.  FTO, VLO, TSO (who beat the street and they still sold the stock) SUN make great choices for refiners..  You should be buying on DOWN days only, today offered me an excellent opportunity to buy FTO and TSO.  I will increase my shares as the prices fall.  A major refinery hasn't been built in the US in 30 years.

 

As for Natural gas, one day we will wake up and international crisis shall again take center stage.  Remember Demon Doug's quote, energy is the worlds currency.  YOu should be buying Canadian energy companies, SU, CNQ, BQI as a spec to name a few. I've read that the US gets more of its energy from Canada than eny otehr country.  Local and safe.  Remember, energy is on sale now because leveraged owners must sell.  That's fire sale prices for you.

 

As for the MLP's, they pay an excellent dividend, and again, they aren't going anywhere.  3 of my favorites thatI have limited orders on are ETE, NSH, & MMP.  You get a dividend, and a handsome one at that.

 

Natural gas stocks?  CHK has come way down in price, and though they have some debt, they offer a good risk reqard at 16/share.    APA and APC look like quite attractive picks as well.

 

For a nice spec play, how about  WPRT, which has a partnership with Cummins engine and converts engines to run on natural gas?  I'll wager with you that 10 years from now there will be nat gas pumps next to gasoline pumps.  THey just got a nice contract from India and were up 10% on a 700 down day.  Yes, I bought some at 10, and I will buy more at 5.

 

As for agriculture, there are a host of individual picks, MON, POT, DE etc.  I like diversity, so I picked up a little MOO at 25 today.  Yes, I bought some at 50.  And I will buy more at 20.

 

Regardless of the economic conditions of today, growing world populations will require food and energy and in increasing levels.  The prices offered today offer multi baggers in the next 10 years.

 

Look at your pot of money, divide into your favorite picks, and buy on the way down, making the smallest number of share purchaes first, so if the price falls, you can buy more shares later.  Should the prices rise, you can move to otehr sectors, or accumulate when some basing comes into your stock or sector.

 

In CAPS, I green thumb on my first buy, but I don't commit all my powder.  Although I am down 40% from shorting early, I have moved to 60% cash in the past few weeks, and that allows me to steal stocks that the overlevered hedge funds people had to have.

 

Leg into these stocks, set your limit prices and walk away and sleep easy.  Owning energy is like owning currency.

 

Give me 5 years, and I wager my energy picks will have provided a handsome return.

 

Nighty nite.

8 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On October 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Option1307 (30.66) wrote:

Based off all of your psots recently, you seem to be trading an awful lot...Yikes! I don't have the nerve for that, I'm less of a trader, and more of a long term guy.

That being said, I do agree with your thoughts here about firesale prices. Yes, the stock market/economy is terrible right now and for the forseeable future. However, if you think 5 yrs out...These prices are ridiculously cheap and sweet looking. I like oil related stocks as you do. Yes they have gotten killed lately, luckily I got out in time. I understand they will most likely go down some more, and be sketchy for a while, but in five years they will be higher. We will always need energy, forever. I am young enough to buy these companies in bunches and hold them for 5,10,20 yrs...I like firesales like these.

I've only been investing seriously for the past year-ish, and many people would think that this is  horrible time to start. I disagree, who doesn't like buying things on sale?? Just watch out for those "going out of business" sales...

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#2) On October 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM, nuf2bdangrus (< 20) wrote:

I hold 2 accounts, and LTBH & a short term.  The ST is all cash.  I wait for panic days and take a position in a PM or some other similiar geat company on sale, where I won';t regret if I get stuck in the stock.  The LTBH account I make purchases of 3/4 of 1% of the balance per purchase.  I'm down a third in that account,having started into energy in September, which now proves to be early.  Legging in over a period of months is the only way to invest in this market.  YOu do have to take some trades when opportunity presents.  I am still 60% cash, 10% precious metals, and 30% stocks.

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#3) On October 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM, awallejr (81.52) wrote:

I agree with your longterm thesis.  Next few weeks might give you mindboggling bargain prices.  I think one more big down day and the whole country will capitulate.

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#4) On October 15, 2008 at 11:50 PM, barich1 (89.12) wrote:

Energy prices are all ready mindboggling, of course that doesn't mean they have bottomed.  I bought POT again, luckily a stop was in place.  I bought SU.  Bought PWE, with a yield like that I could hold it for the rest of my life and be happy.  APA is looking sweet, EPS is nearly double the P/E, yikes.  HERO with a P/E of 2.3.   I resisted buyng VLO but am regretting it now, P/E 5.2, EPS 4.38 and a 3.42% yield.  Same goes for BP with EPS greater than P/E and a 8.12% yield, I could hold that very happily for a long time.  Oil will come back its just a matter of time, if you feel the need to try catch the bottom perfectly so be it but don't forget that when things change they could change by 20% in a day and you missed out, with a solid dividend I have time to wait if need be.  I agree with Nuf, the prices right now are incredible long term buys, regardless of whether they go down more in the short term.

     After todays buying I am back down to 50% cash.  My PM's have done surprisingly poorly over all but I still have faith in them (25%).  The other 25% is all energy except POT

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#5) On October 16, 2008 at 12:00 AM, awallejr (81.52) wrote:

While LONG term I still like POT, only problem I have with it short term is the lack of dividend, since it is too tied into gyrating with the price of oil.

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#6) On October 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM, awallejr (81.52) wrote:

P.S., if your hold for POT is longterm, and you own at least 100 shares, write some calls. The premiums are insane right now because of the volatility, and it is kind of a way to make "dividends" off the stock.

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#7) On October 16, 2008 at 4:30 AM, gman444 (99.57) wrote:

With these markets, you have to have some trader in you, even for a long term b&h portfolio.  Unless you want to sit it out in cash, which seems like a legitimate option. 

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#8) On December 07, 2008 at 11:07 PM, biggame2k2 (< 20) wrote:

what happens if oil goes to 25 to 30?   how long does it stay there. Are we going back to the 70's

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