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August 23, 2011 – Comments (7)

Alstry writes in the third person because the Character is a Computer Algo that cares about people and was trying to save Capitalism...and Alstry understands that things can become very convulsive in a World that we really don't need that many to work....unless we PREPARE.....

The following was written by TMFBiggles in the comment to a previous blog:

I feel like I'm stumbling into the middle of an epic disaster movie.

 I'm going to have to go back and read some of your old blogs, but in the meantime I'd like to comment here.

The technological is already firmly at work at replacing the industrial and has already begun to work at replacing the services as well. There are already examples of computers taking on professional services such as law and accounting and removing redundant or low-tier professionals from those service sectors, just as there are plenty of such examples in industry.

We got through the Industrial Revolution because there turned out to be so many more applications for industry than there had been for agriculture, and the level of automation was so low that heavy labor inputs were required. The rising tide of automation pushed people into the knowledge-and-process-based service sector, which turned out to have just as many (or more) applications than the industrial sector. Now the service industry is becoming increasingly automated, and with good reason - after a certain point it just costs less to have robots and computers working for you.

Kurzweil himself proposed that most of the jobs created on the approach to the Singularity would be in creative applications and design. We don't really need any more lawyers, or accountants, or even certain sorts of doctors.Technical aptitude can more easily be computerized than creative aptitude because it's a lot easier to program in ways that conform to technical operations.

Agriculture > Industry > Service > ?

What's the next step, and are we preparing for the next step? If the next step is an economy built on creativity and design rather than systems and processes, can we train for creativity and design the way we're currently training the next generations for industry and processes?

The big difference between the industrial revolution and the technological is that the industrial couldn't operate without human inputs. After a certain point, the hypothesis is that the technological will be able to operate with no human input.

Like Alstry says (in the third person, apparently), maybe people won't need to work any more to live a decent lifestyle. After a certain point you can't really predict anything, but after a certain point it's also supposed to be impossible to tell a human being from machine intelligence, and after that happens, wouldn't the machine intelligence simply be better suited for every job? And if machine intelligence can do any job humans can, then why should humans work at all?

Just my take, anyway.

7 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On August 23, 2011 at 8:01 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

In response to Mr. Biggles:

You don't need to eliminate all jobs to collapse the Industrial Age, just enough to evaporate cash flow to the point where almost everything goes bankrupt.

Zombulation is simply the impact on humans from technological singularity.  It can either be profoundly good or extremely bad.

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#2) On August 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM, mhy729 (30.26) wrote:

This is a very common theme in science fiction.  It remains to be seen if it ends up being a singular reality (sorry couldn't resist).

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#3) On August 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, XMFBiggles (93.59) wrote:

Well, I'm glad you like my post. All I did was connect the dots that the Singularity theory already put on the paper. It's an interesting subject, but like any prediction of the future it's open to a fairly wide range of interpretations.

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#4) On August 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM, truthisntstupid (80.27) wrote:

Going along with this, it just wouldn't happen that way.  Too few people would benefit from the increasing productivity of the machines, and an ever-shrinking % of people would be able to make a living in that world.

That will not eliminate the rest of us.

But it would place us in much the same position economically as the French peasants in Dickens'  Tale Of Two Cities.

There would be far more of us 'peasants'  than there were in France.

Eventually, we would have our own 'storming of the Bastille.'

The rule of the 'techies'  would have to fall.  We may  or may not be aggitated to the point of 'off with their heads', but it will certainly mean 'off with their machines.'

A political struggle between the techie 'aristocrats'  and the millions of the rest of us would ensue.

Society would once again stabilize - eventually.  With new guidelines (SORRY, antiregulation people - when millions of people's right to live is on the line YOU WILL LOSE or it WILL be 'off with your head'.)

The end.

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#5) On August 23, 2011 at 8:56 PM, mhy729 (30.26) wrote:

Once again, common dystopian theme in sci fi.

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#6) On August 23, 2011 at 9:02 PM, muddlinthrough (< 20) wrote:


Society would once again stabilize - eventually.  With new guidelines (SORRY, antiregulation people - when millions of people's right to live is on the line YOU WILL LOSE or it WILL be 'off with your head'.)


 Yah, sorta like it's going in Russia and China?  Truth may not be stupid, but getting a repeatable social climate that 'the better humans with higher ideals' seems to be an outlier.  Like so far out it's an outright liar...

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#7) On August 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM, truthisntstupid (80.27) wrote:

With millions of lives at stake, that's the way I see it...

Many of the French Aristocracy died no doubt feeling they were being egregiously wronged...

Still...the last thing they saw was the rapidly approaching ground at the same time they realized they no longer felt their body...

Just before lights out.

If it was to come to pass that millions of people have to live like society's outcasts scurrying for crumbs because of anyone's political ideaology...that ideology is doomed.

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