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January 08, 2010 – Comments (29) | RELATED TICKERS: TO.DL , A , D

Reviewing the latest toady incident, I'm a little confused. Clearly the administrators have to draw a line somewhere and keep harmony on the boards.  I have high regard for the adminstrators, especially the one who signed the hypnotoad's suspension. They do a great deal of work to keep this place running smoothly, especially considering the children they have to deal with.

 http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=323789&t=01005090526004187731

All, in all, however, while the half dozen blogs appear mixed in regard to the benefit/damage of Hypno's volume of blogs and their quality, I thought I would add one more with a few things I havne't seen in others.  

First of all, what defines TOO MANY blogs, quality of blogs and the definition of  SPAM.  Clearly there are the issues of Content and Frequency,  together measuring their worth of time spent on them.

Frequency, Hypno is down 52% in 2009 from 2008.  He blogged 134 times, or a little more than 2.5 times per week.  Depending on what time of day he blogged, (low volume or evening peak), the blogs were probably present on the five "newest blog posts" for less than an hour.  There were NEVER more than one of these in the same day.  Alstry blogged 1,125 times in 2009, or 21.6 times per week, sometimes as many as six times per day. There were probably days there were more, but it's tedious to search this metric.  Alstry blogged 88% more frequently than hypnotoad.

Quality:  Clearly this is subjective, but I know early in my tenor I asked what Hypno's purpose was. I was told that he/she shows up randomly, but reminds us that we have to lighten up sometimes. Sometimes we are tearing into each other, sometimes we are frustrated with the economy, sometimes our government, etc.   Since then when I see an All Glory, I smile, take a deep breath and my day is improved.   I see the blogs as Hypno saying hello! I'm here, today is new day, tomorrow will be another day.

 As far as Alstry? One could say that he provides a community service of warning all of us. All I see is pasting of a random news posting, spin and rant. We are all zombies as of 9.9   of some year.  I don't feel any different, and the warning apparently did me no good. As far as community service, anyone who followed Alstry is much poorer than anyone who read the hypno's blogs in several ways I won't enumerate.

Spam:  I rarely open the Hypno's blogs. I know what they say. I may open them and see if there are any comments. I may get the chance occasionally to introduce someone to hypno since he/she is too shy to. I consider it a priviledge as someone did for me.   I rarely open Alstry's blogs either, but there are a lot more of them to try to ignore and bold expressive titles.  Sometimes there are several on the top blog spot.  Clearly Alstry has his followers, but I think they are rare, or those looking for a laugh.  Spam is in the eyes of the beholder, but in hypno's case I fail to see how a title that goes by 2.5 times per week, and your odds of seeing unless you have MF on flash alert all day, is spamming.

The Reality:  In my opinion the value of Hypno's blogs far outweigh any irritation they could be causing someone at 2.5 times per week and never twice in the same day.  Yes, I saw someone complained. Yes, I understand the moderators have to find a balance, but there will always be people you can never make happy.  What is the real complaint here??

Someone is jealous that Hypno after 2.5 years of consistency has garner'd a top blogger spot with little work.  Someone thinks they deserve a spot on that board.  That "someone" can try to earn it by writing thoughtful blogs frequently.  Yes, sometimes you work hard on a blog and get few if any recs. It's time of day, volume of blogs, your rating, etc.  Your rating?  Sometimes.  It's hard to quanlify advice from those new to the boards with no track record, so work on both the quality of your blogs and your game.

Someone is jealous and the rest of us pays??   Typical. It's frequent that someone not getting their way complains and everyone else suffers.  It's easier to complain than do the work.  The problem is:  when someone complains because someone has a good thing going is that everyone gets penalized.  In this case, what's next?  The Friday joke, the comics, the holiday greetings, the other things that make this a social community, but arent' investing news

So here's my rant. If you got this far, then hopefully I added a point of view.  IF you didn't get my point of view or disagree with it then allow me to at least salvage your time by saying:

 Hello, have a good day. If you're having a bad one, tomorrow's another day, just without an ol' friend whose been around long before most of us, ust because of a few complaints by a jealous new neighbor.

TSIF.   The SKY is/is not falling today.  Funny, I can't make up my mind. I almost always say it's not, but today the sky is a little darker.

 

29 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On January 08, 2010 at 8:03 PM, rd80 (97.08) wrote:

Good blog and excellent use of tickerage.

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#2) On January 08, 2010 at 8:08 PM, chk999 (99.97) wrote:

I'm with you, I never found the toad to be offensive.

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#3) On January 08, 2010 at 8:18 PM, blesto (30.88) wrote:

I can dig it.

Blogging is blogging, yes?

When you add the related tickers you'll also get the exsposure you want for your related subject.

Then there are the discussion boards for more specific investment topics and varied community interests. I'm intending to jump to the "Chess Board of Fury" and challenge anyone to a match this weekend.

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#4) On January 08, 2010 at 8:31 PM, goalie37 (90.66) wrote:

I like Hypno Toad.  He has been a part of CAPS since CAPS started.

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#5) On January 08, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Tagit (64.98) wrote:

Ditto, you always knew it was nothing new, just a reminder that he/she was still with us.

Alstry is another unique character. I think he was sent over as spy “smiling” to demoralize every aspect of who we are and what Americans represent. Alstry’s bolgs are 99% negative and not much rewarding in the utilization of what Caps forum was meant to represent. His comments are always 99% rants, and for various reasons which I now tend to I ignore. However, it is what it is. And even I catch myself reading a few lines of his post before I roll my eyes and move onward. 

If we spank the hand of one, we need to spank the hand of many on Caps and if that includes myself; then so be it. The caps community is very rewarding and full of knowledge that leads you to investigate recommendations further and/or simply remind youself at times to smile.

But, we do live in America and when you have an open forum; to regulate it - then we need to be careful of what and/ who is being regulated. 

I respectfully don’t really like the blogs that pertain to B.S. However, at least Alstry has something going, he’s probably got in his PF alcoholic beverage companies or rehabilitation organizations because if you read his blogs you damn your what to get drunk :) 

If it where left up to me I’d say lets stick to what's important with blogs & pitches on Caps. Helping investors beat the market with useful D& D so we “all” can help each other make more MONEY !!  

If this offended anyone I’m sorry – but – I do wish a great evening to all.

 

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#6) On January 08, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Tagit (64.98) wrote:

Alcoholic beverage companies or rehabilitation organizations because if you read his blogs you damn "SURE WANT" to get drunk :) 

Heck he's already got me there - drunk--kidding -- my wife just got home and my fingers was hitting wrong keys as she was in a "rant" because I'm still on Motley reading rec's... Ha Ha

Oh well - hope you got the point.

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#7) On January 08, 2010 at 9:37 PM, fklast (< 20) wrote:

In my opinion, I believe both of them are spamming. Apparently there are defenders of the toad(for reasons i do not understand). Even though I do not agree with alstry's preaching of the world ending, but I find it less annoying than a post with absolutely no substance. People will defend the toad and say "I found it funny" I'm pretty sure no one comes to CAPS to get a good laugh. I could be wrong?? We come here to exchange ideas about stocks and the economy in general.  I understand the occasional useless post but when 90+% of your blogs have to do with absolutely nothing then I think it is a detriment to the community. Maybe if they allowed the ability to ignore users completely that would be very helpful. Just my 2 cents....

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#8) On January 08, 2010 at 9:49 PM, truthisntstupid (93.47) wrote:

fklast

I will never feel comfortable posting anything here again.  Do yourself a favor.  Drop it.

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#9) On January 08, 2010 at 9:54 PM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

#7:  fklast:  " I'm pretty sure no one comes to CAPS to get a good laugh."  

No, not specifically, but I don't mind finding one when I do look through the blogs. I'm quick to open when I see it even though I know it doesn't have investing advice and has a title like "Friday's Funny".

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=323767&t=01004086502884063158

Or "too funny" from star blogger DWOT with a link about a school that inadvertantly used a sexline phone number on school shirts:

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?source=isesitlnk0000001&bpid=284923&mrr=0.25

Thursday's Funny, Monday's Funny, Friday's Funny, Too Funny, Election Funny, Very Funny,  805 Funny, some funny, some not, but to each his own.

http://caps.fool.com/search/solr.aspx?q=funny&dataSource=blog&handleSearch=true

Santa's North Pole Landing,  Greetings on Easter, Veterans's day. Various April Fools Jokes.

Come 'on. This is a blogging community.  Let's blog. Ignore what you don't like, smile once in a while, laugh occasionally.

The Toad isn't necessarily funny, he's a hello, it's a new day, lighten up, there will be a tomorrow, I've been here forever, I hope you are too!

Thanks for the replies. I understand your 2 cents. I appreciate your point of few. I thank you for reading mine.

 

 

 

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#10) On January 08, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Tastylunch (29.40) wrote:

TSIF

I'm with ya 100%. the banning is unhelpful (but i understand wh,y they did it the mod team does have my respect)

This is precisely what  I saw coming It's why I wrote my what should CAPS blogs be about?) and tried to warn the CAPS team before it went critical.

They've got to fix the blog interface soon or this sort of thing is only going to get worse. The community will cannibalize itself if they arent't given their own arenas

A wise man once said good fences make good neighbors.

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#11) On January 08, 2010 at 10:28 PM, MikeBobulinski (< 20) wrote:

Much like the many other devices in our lives that offer a variety of choices, TMF already has a built in ignore feature.  When you come across something on the television or your radio, you can change the channel or turn the offending material off.

Unless you suffer from some compulsion that forces you to click every link on a page (which would be quite a nuisance), your ignore feature is your free choice.  Clearly you know what to expect from the likes of Hypnotoad and/or Alstry.  If not, you will learn pretty quickly as they are both regular posters and both have there followers.

If you do not like a particular BLOGger, then do not open their posts.  Recognize the author listed beneath the title of the BLOG, and move on.  Otherwise, BLOGs that are specifically targetting or complaining about one BLOGger or another are in the same category as those you complain about.  Seriously, why waste the time of the deadly serious TMF audience with your complaints about someone or another BLOGger?

The bottom line here is that TMF is made up of a diverse culture of folks from many backgrounds, beliefs and knowledge levels.  We come here for a great many reasons, whether it is to laugh, cry about our losses, cheer our successes, spread knowledge so that we may all gain some wealth, regardless of the reason, we come here to express ourselves.  Read what you choose to.

I for one appreciate the diversity, humor, and knowledge everyone shares here freely with everyone else.  I have made money, I have lost money, I have been challenged in my beliefs, I have been allowed to express my beliefs, I have wondered WTF someone was thinking, and I have laughed at what someone was thinking...all while having the ability to stop reading those things that I didn't want to continue reading.

Life is too short to waste it complaining about someone you don't know from Adam.  Grow a sense of humor or not, but move on.

Fool on!

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#12) On January 08, 2010 at 11:21 PM, caterpillar10 wrote:

I think everyone should cultivate a pet one liner and proceed to post it randomly - I've always liked 'Insurance is the opiate of the people.' Perhaps I shall roll out on that one. Yes, I think that's a xlnt idea.   

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#13) On January 08, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Tagit (64.98) wrote:

I'm with ya - fool on. TISF you da man.

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#14) On January 08, 2010 at 11:39 PM, truthisntstupid (93.47) wrote:

Since I'm being burned at the stake anyway, I'm going to point out that when I posted that blog there were two (TWO) Hypnotoad postings on the main blog page at the same time.  Also,, I'm not sure if Hypno ever even pushed one of MY posts off, and he certainly didn't last night since the last blog I posted before yesterday was a week or two ago.  I know I made a hasty post and a poor choice of words and I know what it sounded like.  I can't prevent you from taking it the way it sounded.  Believe what you want.  It was irritation, not jealousy.  I didn't know about the HypnoToad cult.  But I do now!   For crying out loud, you all think they banned him (if they banned him, who in hell even knows if there really is such a thing as the Motley Fool Discussion Board Administrator), you all think they did this to make one person happy? 

And no, if only I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have done it.   I would sure as hell have waited for some other poor fool to come along and be the straw that did him in.  But if you want to heap it all on me go ahead.

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#15) On January 08, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Tastylunch (29.40) wrote:

truthisntstupid

i'm not mad at you, I think it's a design problem not a individual problem. The Mod team is doing the best they cna given the current archictecture

 If it wasn't hypno toad it would have been somebody else. I've been hinting at this potential problem for awhile.

 

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#16) On January 09, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Tastylunch (29.40) wrote:

btw TSIF I guess by your rationale I spammed last week. :)

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#17) On January 09, 2010 at 12:05 AM, truthisntstupid (93.47) wrote:

Tastylunch

Nice to know there are a few (very few) who aren't raedy to lynch me.  After today it doesn't really matter, I guess.  As I said above, I'll never be comfortable posting anything here again.  I've already closed all my picks.  I may read the articles but I doubt if I'll ever have much to say again. 

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#18) On January 09, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Option1307 (30.12) wrote:

truthisntstupid

 As I said above, I'll never be comfortable posting anything here again. 

Just relax and don't let them get to you. We all have different opinions, and yes some Fools may want to lynch you, but by stopping your blogging you're only letting them "win".

So take the weekend off, have a beer, and we'll see you monday am.

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#19) On January 09, 2010 at 3:04 AM, 08PortfolioModel (37.72) wrote:

Truthisntstupid.. . . DONT QUIT. I read your stuff all the time!

I think TMF should be banned for promoting spam. That philanthropy drive has moved several good blogs down, and cluttered the board with useless post.

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#20) On January 09, 2010 at 10:30 AM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

#11 Mikebob, nicely said, and more diplomatic than my blog. Thanxs!

#14 Truthis, 

Truth, I'm sorry if I implied that you were jealous of Toady getting attention, it was my quick read on the fiasco.  I've scanned your blogs and they are VERY good.

 If you are sorry that you attacked another player out of frustration, (we all have our moments) by calling him a "worthless imbecile" then I'd certainly appreciate your continuing to share here on CAPs as part of our diverse community.  In your blog you indicated it was "hateful" and you challenged us to tell you that you should be more intolerant, so here we are.

Let's agree that we are people with a variety of interests, (moods!), etc. and move on.

In regard to out resident Toad,  I don't know if it was you or fklast or more likely a combination that got Toad banned. Both of you blogged the same day and toad was banned the next day.  Yes, we sure he was banned, and yes moderators really do exist.  You can go to his blog and see the banning.

In regard to two of his blogs showing up the same time, highly unlikely. As I indicated he is consistant and rather fair in his timing.  What you may have seen was fklast's blog or other spoof blogs with Hypnotoad's name in the title.  If you check his history, you will see there are never more than one on a given day, so I suspect you were double whammed with a spoof. 

My comments are more about MF banning Toad over a few players that should have been replied to directly. In particular fklast.

fklast admitted he was spamming the community until he got his way and that's his ONLY blog post ever. At least you felt you had a reason to be frustated.  One post, intententional spam.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=323524&t=01000736623692910789

As Tasty, who is wise and grizzled beyond his years, indicated, this apparently would have happened sooner or later anyway.

You see the Fool was spammed by people creating accounts, creating spam, and plastering the boards with crap and it peaked a few months ago.  Good blogs were rolled off, crap was on the blog page, including some that rolled onto the featured blog page.  One could hardly move without stepping in it. Our moderators took a lot of heat. I'm certain they are more sensitive to going their job and I understand that they may be more aggressive at complaints now than they use to be.

As a computer person, my soluiton would have been to have new accounts validated before someone could post and stiffen the registration process.  Fool, however, intends this to be an easy interface to use and no doubt wants to keep it simple. However, attack is too easy. I've been attached on my pitches by "spoofs.  A new account was set up in my honor,  TSIFISAFOOL.  Pitches are opinion and part of an opportunity to dialogue.  I could take the half dozen attacks I've had and go away or hang in and take them as they are..  One has to wonder how many dead accounts are here which skews stock ratings.

So all in all, please open cancel your close on your picks. Please blog.  Please share.  Please!

Just realize that there will be days you will put a great deal of time into a blog and not see many recs.  It will happen. Eventually, if your material is good, you'll collect a following who will look at all your new blogs with rec in hand. The Alstry's and top bloggers have minions who look for thier new blogs. Until then, you may be an undiscovered writter, but you'll have an avenue to get your ideas out.

In regard to Toad, it's censorship on an icon.  Bring back Toad!!! :)

 

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#21) On January 09, 2010 at 11:02 AM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

PS, in regard to my not getting mad over the spoof account TSIFISAFOOL,  I did report it.  I did take action.  Overall, however, not much I could say.  After all, it's true.  TSIF IS A FOOL.   One member of a diverse community.

There are other good ideas on other blogs that would help.

Jakiliathehun and others have advocated an "ignore" feature.

Others have commented, (sorry I can't find the posts and give credit by name) that having more than six blogs on the page at a time would also be useful.

Ignoring blogs is easy to do, but I can see that it doesn't help if you think your blog got knocked off the list where it's most visible.  I would say those taking some time to read blogs are mostl likely paging down to older ones.  The title is a key.

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#22) On January 09, 2010 at 11:10 AM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

#20 and another apology to Truthisntstupid.

I do see the toad went haywire on the 7th and broke his three year pattern of never more than one on a given day.  I'd suggest they were in response to fklast or frustration to the moderators warnings via email, but I don't know that.

I do see were you got caught by the exchanges and became frustrated.  I'm fairly confident you weren't in the original mix.  It's hard to put a timestamp on these things.

Not knowing if the moderators reacted to three toady posts in one day, who blogged first, etc. then I can see the confusion.  Maybe Toady unloaded before fklast? 

At any rate I suggest a cooling off period and to use this as a learning tool.  Ignores, screening, a blog summary page with more meat to it, etc. 

 

 

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#23) On January 09, 2010 at 12:06 PM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

#21 New blog.

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=325083&t=01000430564104330656

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#24) On January 09, 2010 at 3:17 PM, fklast (< 20) wrote:

My intention was to never get him banned(toad). I just wanted some change. To me, his posts were like viagra spam mails I get in my inbox(annoying to me). Initially for the first few times it was amusing, but then it started to get annoying. I'm not sure who 1st suggested it but I really would like a"ignore" feature.

 

"fklast admitted he was spamming the community until he got his way and that's his ONLY blog post ever."

I guess you can call me selfish but I was trying to prove a point. If 20+ different people posted the same exact one liner "everyday" no one will actually read posts anymore because no one wants to filter through the "spam". I was just trying to better the community... Sorry if I offended you toad lovers out there. I think I will take truth's advice and just drop it now.

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#25) On January 09, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Tastylunch (29.40) wrote:

TSIF you know "Fool" is a complimnet of the Fool right?

it's ony fool (lowercase) that's a an insult. :) Clearly this genius did not know this.

haha what a loser! who does that?

why would anyone hate you?You are a super nice guy.

Now me or everyday I could see that, we are kind of jerks.

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#26) On January 09, 2010 at 3:49 PM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

#24  Thanks mklast. I can understand if he put 5 out in two days, again not a norm, that that might have been a point of irritation.  The difference between his posts and someone else doing oneliners is that he's been doing it for years to no ones detriment and to some of our benefits, although I agree some of us may just be warped!  It takes all kinds of "Fools" to make an investment forum.  I agree that two wrongs don't make it a right, but something that was okay for 2.5 years shouldn't suddenly be a crisis either.  They are relatively easy to ignore since they are consistant.  Somone who reads blogs can certainly filter. those who write blogs do have the issue of "front page" publicity where quality and quantity should seek a fair balance.  I think one a day is fair.  Thank you for your reply and thoughts, I see your point of view.

#25 Tasty, yes, it was a capital "F".  Clearly a complement.  While it would be nice if these type of spoofs were harder to do or easier to remove rather than CAPS being about 80% zombies, (registered and gone), I will take it as a compliment.

Clearly you're not a jerk.  I like cribing your hard work!  Your spelling at times is atrocious, but even then only slightly worse than mine!!!  :)

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#27) On January 09, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Momentum21 (44.33) wrote:

I went down this road in a small discussion group years ago. There was a couple week span where the discussion went off in a different direction and one person became offended by an inappropriate comment.

In my infinite wisdom I thought we needed a list of rules and a strictly defined protocol for posting. By the time I drafted up the manifesto the whole thing blew over.

In retrospect my rules would have disrupted the normal course of how these things flow and police themselves. They would have eventually just been ignored and a waste of time...or if we attempted to enforce them to the letter it probably just would have destroyed the community.

In this day and age trying to define spam is a Fools game. Takes a fool like me to recognize it! : )

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#28) On January 09, 2010 at 5:37 PM, ReadEmAnWeep (36.90) wrote:

I agree with fklast

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#29) On January 09, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Tastylunch (29.40) wrote:

TSIF

Yeah  my spelling is actually pretty good. I'm just a terrible typist. The perils of being self taught hunt and peck

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