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March 05, 2011 – Comments (30)

Now, the coucilwoman claimed her son is a Marine fighting for freedom. Watch the next video to find out what Marines do over there.

One more thing. The other day, nine children were killed by a US bomb in Afghanistan. Nine children. Those people in the video above, getting screamed at, how many children have they killed?  Were is the outrage from the Tea Party?

And lest you think Obama and his neo-crats are any better, read Glenn Greenwald's latest piece on the treatment Bradley Manning is receiving. Oh and the lying propaganda of the Pentagon. (Pentagram???)

It's really not that hard America. I can sum up what you need to remember in 4 words: Coercion bad, liberty good.  What is so hard to understand?

Maybe I should just stay in Qatar. They're not animals like the Orange County Tea Party. 

David in Qatar 

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#1) On March 05, 2011 at 10:52 PM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

For a good chuckle, I really enjoyed Alex Jones' appearance on the View:

Note, I'm not an AJ fan. I've listened to his show a handful of times over the last 3 years. I hate that he takes credit for everything under the sun, like he's the only guy out there talking about this stuff.  

But he is funny, that's for darn sure. And when was the last time the hags on The View were speechless?  And how about him bringing up Tower 7 in front of that audience?  ROFL, I'll tell you what, go get em Alex!  F**k em!

David in Qatar 

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#2) On March 06, 2011 at 2:57 AM, usmilitiadude (30.67) wrote:

What do you think the punishment should be for killing a civilian accidently?

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#3) On March 06, 2011 at 7:35 AM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

usmilitiadude,

They should be charged and tried for manslaughter.

Also, Bush, Obama, Blair, Cameron, their top staff, and top Pentagon staff should be arrested and tried for war crimes.

David in Qatar 

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#4) On March 06, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Valyooo (99.64) wrote:

Then stay in Qatar ya turrist!

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#5) On March 06, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Valyooo (99.64) wrote:

If only the first 3 links got as much media play as the 4th.

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#6) On March 06, 2011 at 10:53 AM, OneLegged (< 20) wrote:

The Orange County video:  Wow.  Depressing.

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#7) On March 06, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Valyooo (99.64) wrote:

By the way I bought "the state", I am going to read it in the next few days, thanks for the suggestion.

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#8) On March 06, 2011 at 11:11 AM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

Valyooo,

Then stay in Qatar ya turrist!

LOL, I have a mission to radicalize DIck Cheney's lesbian daughter. Must. Complete. Mission.

By the way I bought "the state", I am going to read it in the next few days, thanks for the suggestion.

I wish you would stop buying things you can get for free. You don't get rich by giving it away, brother.

David in Qatar

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#9) On March 06, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Valyooo (99.64) wrote:

I don't pay for movies or music, and I always try to get things for free or cheaply.  I don't really like e-books, I am one of those people that needs a physical book.  I hate myself for it though, because I hate every other situation where people like the "tradional" thing more than the "technological" thing, but its the case for me with books, and often my local library doesn't have them.

I do buy them on ebay though, used, so I only wind up spending 5 bucks on it.

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#10) On March 06, 2011 at 11:18 AM, fireman9119cac (53.06) wrote:

Finally someone is calling out those Turrorist Muslim children from California

Sleeper cells all over the USA,  Actually they are sleeping...mostly at night and some daytime naps are acceptable as well

I just dont get it.

Very sad

FM from Canada

 

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#11) On March 06, 2011 at 11:30 AM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

Valyooo,

Understandable. No biggie and not trying to preach to ya. I just would feel bad if you bought books on my rec (when the author allows free copies) and then didn't like them.

I try to e-read what I can, and then I only buy stuff I really liked. To fill my library of rich mahogony bookshelves lol.

OneLegged and fireman,

True true.

David in Qatar

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#12) On March 06, 2011 at 11:32 AM, L0RDZ (84.09) wrote:

Come on really,  whats messed up is the bogus rules of engagement and the soldiers expected roles in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Our soldiers should not have to be babysitters keeping the Sunni's and Shites from killing each other, our soldiers should not be forced into deadly combat situations in which the enemies are unknown and change with the gusts of the wind ~ such that all an enemy insurgent has to do is technically throw his or her weapons away and  according to many rules of engagement they are no longer legal to detain shoot or deal with. Rules of engagement you can catch an insurgent planting bombs and unless you have him with a weapon in his or her hands you cannot do anything in fact all the insurgent has to do is throw down weapons or explosives and they are not to be molested or detained or anything. in fact an insurgent can kll a US soldier and than all they have to do is throw away their guns and run amongst the general population and they are scot free untouchable. Ridiculous, so yeah yes to carrying around an entire troop transport of weapons in fact maybe our army should simply start equipping themselves with said weapons and start dressing up as insurgents.

We are sending our kids to slaughter and are putting ridiculous guidelines in which many a good soldier who  might make a mistake is than subject to ridiculous penalties ~ its freaking war and its no longer even a war but Bull its all bull  and our leaders should be ashamed of themselves and they should be taking the blame not some 19 year old.

Would the Russians behave like us ? the Chinese ? heck no ?  wanna know why insurgents stopped shooting at Chinese troops in places like Vietnam ?  because anyone foolish enough to even aim a weapon at them  and the Chinese would simply kill everyone, don't believe me ? ask anyone who was there and knew something.

There are no conventional armies in Iraq or Afghanistan, we won both wars many many many years ago, yet our troops remain with ridiculous rules of engagement forcing the smarter troops to carry enemy weapons just in case like in all wars something bad happens to people, the very definition of having 18 19 years olds in hostile hot zones with messed up  bombs just ready to go off with the touch of a button by some smiling wothless honorless scum bag  just waiting for our troops to go into the wrong place and than high five his worthless country men at the sight of blown up young americans and be untouched unharmed by anyone smart enough to put two and two together is crazy.

Why are we wasting our time and resources, simply gather enough weapons and start reducing the herd until they start to understand or there isn't a man woman or child left.

But hey its so easy to look down on Americans, second guess them and think your so much better.

Given all the blown up and permanently damaged soldiers from this worthless war I'm surprised the casualties aren't worse, but yeah what does the Lord really know ~ rolls his eyes.

 

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#13) On March 06, 2011 at 11:57 AM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

We could do all that. Or we could just bring the troops home.

David in Qatar

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#14) On March 06, 2011 at 12:27 PM, GeneralDemon (27.62) wrote:

Hi David,

So, are you saying that you're against idiots having the right to assemble and express their views? 

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#15) On March 06, 2011 at 12:47 PM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

Hi GD,

So, are you saying that you're against idiots having the right to assemble and express their views?

Absolutely not, unless they are violating private property rights. They can rabble all they want :)

I want to bring attention to it. I want the occupation to end, the troops to come home, and the people responsible held accountable.

It's a bit personal for me, admittedly. My fiancee is south Indian (and an Orthodox Christian.) Most of these knuckleheads couldn't tell an Indian from an assyrian from a persian. My ex-girlfriend, who I have no ill will towards, was an uzbek muslim.

I'm not going to lie. It certainly bothers me when I see rallies like this. Makes me want to buy another gun. Ironically, the Orange County Tea Party video might be just the thing to teach liberals about the pro's of gun rights. They might need a few guns to defend themselves from the OCTP.

David in Qatar

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#16) On March 06, 2011 at 1:11 PM, VExplorer (30.52) wrote:

we could just bring the troops home. (С)

+1000

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#17) On March 06, 2011 at 1:20 PM, BurntTiger (22.08) wrote:

Those marines are only doing what they have to in order to come home.  The intent was not to murder innocents but to allow a pimple faced 19 year old to come home rather than be tried for manslaugeter.

Example: In most areas of operations iraqi/afgan vehicles are required to stay 200m away from coalition vehicles.  If they breach that there is a whole escalation of force-  such as waving a orange flag, flares, laser/lights,warning shot, disabling shot, then kill shot.

 

A gunner has to shoot a vehicle that continues to drive toward the convoy or risk getting his buddies and himself getting killed if that vehicle is a VBIED (vehicle borne improvised explosive device) 

If he has no time to warn off the car or he does but it doesnt stop and he kills the 3 innocent people in the car he should be tried for manslaughter?

Im sorry my friend usualy I enjoy your blogs but i strongly disagree with this one.

 

 

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#18) On March 06, 2011 at 1:36 PM, russiangambit (29.45) wrote:

I just wish they stopped with this "fighting for freedom" nonsense. Every army fights for geopolitical interests of their country. However, with US army being volonteer I don't think it is unfair to blame the marines for what is going on . Yes, they are following orders but they also have a choice to resign unlike soldiers of many other armies.

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#19) On March 06, 2011 at 1:42 PM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

BT,

I understand your objection. I feel differently. If we subsidize a behavior, we get more of it.

I served in the Marines. If I were in Iraq/Afghanistan, it's possible/likely I would do the same thing. It would still be wrong. It would still be something for which I should be punished. I wouldn't like it. I'd protest. I'd tell everyone they are ungrateful, that I was protecting freedom, blah blah blah. I would still be wrong.

They have individual will. They need to make a decision. Either do what is right or face the consequences. Right now, there are no consequences. I think that's wrong.

Perhaps fewer people should be volunteering to serve. They're not protecting anyone's freedoms. They are supporting an illegal occupation. They're not defending the Constitution. No one in power cares about the Constitution.

Ignorance is no longer an excuse. The fancy slogans of nobility and patriotism in no way represent the reality of American occupation of Muslim lands. If you choose to serve, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You're not serving the American people. You're serving a power elite that cares nothing about the poeple.

David in Qatar

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#20) On March 06, 2011 at 1:52 PM, OneLegged (< 20) wrote:

"Ignorance is no longer an excuse. The fancy slogans of nobility and patriotism in no way represent the reality of American occupation of Muslim lands. If you choose to serve, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You're not serving the American people. You're serving a power elite that cares nothing about the poeple."

 

Utterly true.

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#21) On March 06, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

 L0RDZ--"simply gather enough weapons and start reducing the herd until they start to understand or there isn't a man woman or child left."
 You go first and see how many follow.

russiangambit -"I just wish they stopped with this "fighting for freedom" nonsense. Every army fights for geopolitical interests of their country."
 Too true, but "freedom" has a nicer ring to it. I would opine that rather than "of their country" maybe "of their elite".

  If carrots were the #1 resource of the Region, how many soldiers would there be?

+1 David.- "4 words: Coercion bad, liberty good.  What is so hard to understand?"   Best.

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#22) On March 06, 2011 at 2:14 PM, BurntTiger (22.08) wrote:

whereaminow

Men will do whatever is needed to survive, a basic law of nature.

 

Thus my point is, given the situation they are sent into, a certain end result is inevitable. 

Why punish a man who has no "right" options? They cant know if it was "right" until they look at the dead guy and see a suicide vest or a harmless koran. My point is that these decsions are being made with imperfect info in a space of a few seconds

 "They're not protecting anyone's freedoms. They are supporting an illegal occupation. They're not defending the Constitution. No one in power cares about the Constitution.

Ignorance is no longer an excuse. The fancy slogans of nobility and patriotism in no way represent the reality of American occupation of Muslim lands. If you choose to serve, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You're not serving the American people. You're serving a power elite that cares nothing about the poeple."

I limited myself to the options of an individual in a combat zone. Im not bringing the constitution, freedom,patriotism or any of that into this conversation.  Im talking about a no-win situation where the option that you seem to allow for US troops is

A. Shoot innocents by mistake-go to jail

B. Not shoot anyone and get blown-up/shot

C. Be perfect and only shoot the bad guys

 

 russiangambit

you can only leave once youre enlistment is u, not whenever you feel like. A 4 year hitch you see you deployed 2-3 times.

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#23) On March 06, 2011 at 4:21 PM, PainterPoker (20.91) wrote:

"I want the occupation to end, the troops to come home, and the people responsible held accountable."

 

I agree 100%. 

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#24) On March 06, 2011 at 6:07 PM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

BT,

Believe me, I realize these guys don't have an easy situation to deal with. I'm not on a witch hunt here. I don't go around urging proseuctions like Jack Murtha did.

For the purpose of this blog I was trying to contrast the rhetoric of the first video with the reality of the situation on the ground in the second video.

But now that we're delving a little bit deeper, I feel it's necessary to point out that this is Year 8 of the Iraq occupation. So anyone signing up at this point should know what they are getting into. And of course, anyone who is re-enlisting at this point to do more tours in Iraq/Afghanistan cannot say "we didn't know."

So I'm disappointed by the retention level. That's all I can say.

David in Qatar

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#25) On March 06, 2011 at 8:31 PM, ChrisGraley (30.30) wrote:

People sign up for the military wanting to protect their country. You are usually young and niave when you sign-up.

You are still usually pretty young and niave when you are being sold on your first re-enlistment.

In the cases of drop weapons, I don't fault the young men. I do heavily fault their chain of command.

David, if you've seen action, you know as well as I that sometimes you do something that you think is right based on false information from your superiors that turns out to be not so good and is usually covered up by your superiors by giving false information to the press. 

There are reasons that the military prefers the young and niave.

I'm a minarchist when it comes to having a military. I do believe that we should have a military to defend our population.

It's when our military is used as a tool of agression that we overstep our mandate.

Again, it's not the young soldiers that choose that agressive platform, it's our leadership.

We need to hold the right people accountable for our transgressions against others and the penalty should be severe on the leaders that made those decisions.

I can't envision what causes so much hate in the first video that you displayed from the OC Tea Partiers. Do these people know anything about the event that they are protesting against?

What type of response do we expect from the people that we focus that much hate against?

The sad thing is that the two attrocities share a common thread.

The suppresion of individual thought.

A collective mind is much easier to control than an individual one. 

+1 

 

 

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#26) On March 06, 2011 at 9:48 PM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

Chris,

You make some fair points.

My real gripe here is that there are no consequences for the people perpetrating the crimes (both the leadership and the soldiers.)  There are only consequences for the American citizen (who is now poorer than he should be) and the Iraqi/Afghani who suffers from death and occupation.

This is simply not fair. At some point, enough time goes by (10 years? 20 years?) where everyone should be able to see "this is not right and we should not be doing this."

In combat, sure you do what you can do to survive. But they need to start questioning their decision to serve in the first place.  (Or at least, I wish they would.)

David in Qatar 

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#27) On March 06, 2011 at 11:30 PM, ChrisGraley (30.30) wrote:

To choose between right and wrong, you must be able understand the difference. For the young and niave, this takes some time. For those that do re-enlist, usually they are at least an E-5 at that time. That's high enough on the chain of command to know better, but you'll have to do your entire second tour before you can get out. This is assuming that you have seen combat the whole time. It's hard to see what's wrong in times of peace.

Also, you have to be in long enough to see that it's the same no matter which side is in charge. If you start with the same political affiliation as the people in charge, you are more likely to buy what they are selling. If you're the opposite, you'll assume that it will change when the next guy is in charge. If a President serves 2 terms, you probably have already re-upped at least once.

Assuming that more than a small percentage of these young men can see this early in their military career is just assuming too much.

 

 

 

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#28) On March 06, 2011 at 11:49 PM, whereaminow (46.24) wrote:

Chris,

I know you're right. I hate being wrong, but it is as you say.  Thanks for the comments.

David in Qatar 

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#29) On March 07, 2011 at 12:57 AM, BurntTiger (22.08) wrote:

First off the retention level is horrible, thats why the enlistment standards are so low and high reenlistment bonuses are offered to most combat MOS. 

Second alot of the ones who do reenlist do it because of the love thier fellow soldiers.  Its hard to leave when they know the men they regard as brothers will be thrown back into the sh*tstorm in a year and that by staying they could have kept of few of thier friends alive. It seems alot of these young men you are writing off have an infinatly higher potential than the average American youth rotting his/her brain with MTV. 

 

Third, didnt your time in the USMC shape your current libertarian viewpoint?  What hard lessons are these men/women learning that could one day change the course (hopfully) of our nation

 

lastly, thanks for having me, i hope i kept it civil, and even if my arguements were poorly writen i hope I shifted/widened your viewpoint as you have mine.

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#30) On March 08, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Zanibel17 (97.92) wrote:

The original video you posted has been taken down by its owner, former Santa Ana candidate for mayor George Collins.  Here's another link to Deborah Pauly's incendiary comments.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK2IeCoQL84

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