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May 05, 2011 – Comments (21)

My assumption is that most Americans aren't stupid, but either the readers of FoxNews are OR the writers at FoxNews are very stupid.

Let me preface this by saying "I am SO GLAD Bin Laden is DEAD!!!!"

This from Fox news:

Sources involved in the operation that took down Usama bin Laden told Fox News the terrorist leader acted "scared" and "completely confused" in his final moments, "shoving his wife" at the Navy SEAL who ultimately shot him. 

The information helps clarify the conflicting details about what exactly happened toward the end of the 40-minute raid on bin Laden's northern Pakistan compound. Sources who were part of the mission said bin Laden acted in a "cowardly manner" when confronted. Fox News has also learned that while bin Laden was unarmed, he was standing near the door within reach of two weapons -- an AK-47 and a Makarov handgun that are now in U.S. custody.

I don't see how the above clarifies ANYTHING about what happened.  Here's what I read.

1) Bin Laden 'completely confused'
Which begs the question, why was he shot?

2) bin Laden acted in a "cowardly manner" when confronted.
Which begs the question, why was he shot?

3) while bin Laden was unarmed, he was standing near the door within reach of two weapons
Which begs the question?  Wasn't he completely confused and acting cowardly? If he went for his gun is that an act of cowardice?  If he didn't go for his gun, "Why was he shot?"

So frustrating that we can't get the truth from the White House.  Hell, I'd be happy if they just said "No details will EVER be given, wait 50 years for it to be declassified."  Why is this administration so incompetent that they keep getting there story mixed up.  Before I went home drunk, I always had my story straight so my parents would think I was a sweet angel, who threw up because of a bad stomach bug.

21 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On May 05, 2011 at 3:57 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

Yes, yes they can...

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#2) On May 05, 2011 at 3:57 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

Further, there are those in power who count on it...

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#3) On May 05, 2011 at 4:18 PM, GNUBEE (26.93) wrote:

  What he said

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#4) On May 05, 2011 at 4:31 PM, blake303 (29.51) wrote:

Anyone using Fox News as a source has no place calling anyone else stupid.  

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#5) On May 05, 2011 at 4:38 PM, djemonk (< 20) wrote:

> Which begs the question, why was he shot?

We need to justify why Navy SEALs are shooting military targets during a firefight? Seriously? 

> Why is this administration so incompetent that they keep getting there story mixed up.

Because they are releasing details about events that took place on the other side of the planet, at 1am local time, and there was shooting involved.  We still don't have all the details of what went down at OJ's house, so it's, frankly, stupid to expect perfect clarity in a report about wartime situations just hours after the fact.   If they waited until they had all the facts before releasing any details, there would have been wild-eyed accusations of a coverup.  From Fox.  Let's not forget the fact that this outrage is based on a report from Fox News, the poster children for inconsistent reporting of stories. 

I dunno, man.  I can find fault in some of the decisions Obama has made over the past few years, and I can find fault in some of the US's foreign policies, but shooting bin Laden in the noggin is one that I think a lot of people are willing to let go by without going into full-on Fox-induced mouth frothing.

Me, personally, if I want to get worked up over unarmed people who were killed by the US military, I'd start with the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who have been killed since 2003.  If you start writing blog posts questioning each one of those, you'll outstrip alstry in no time.

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#6) On May 05, 2011 at 4:58 PM, djemonk (< 20) wrote:

In the interest of being Fair and Balanced, I'll point out the 6th paragraph of the article:

"He was the one guy shot who had a gun in his hand and was firing when he was shot -- other weapons were at the scene," the official said. "When the SEALs reached the third floor, after resistance and physical barricades, Usama bin Laden did not immediately surrender. When someone like UBL who has said he wants to kill as many Americans as possible, doesn't 150 percent surrender, you have to assess as a threat."

That seems to sum up the thinking behind why he was shot. 

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#7) On May 05, 2011 at 5:04 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

"Because they are releasing details about events that took place on the other side of the planet, at 1am local time, and there was shooting involved.  We still don't have all the details of what went down at OJ's house, so it's, frankly, stupid to expect perfect clarity in a report about wartime situations just hours after the fact."

I'll see your assertion and raise you...

If a SEAL team had killed OJ's ex it would have been closed circuit, satelite broadcast to the same people that saw what happened in Bin Laden's "fortress of solitude".

The fact is "the public" will never know what really happened and that's the way it is.

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#8) On May 05, 2011 at 5:06 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

Additionally, that SEAL team that did OJ's ex would have never needed a dream team of lawyers either... =D

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#9) On May 05, 2011 at 6:04 PM, buffalonate (95.93) wrote:

He is a mass murder that is why he was shot.  If we did capture him then we would have to spend millions trying him in court.

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#10) On May 05, 2011 at 6:40 PM, FleaBagger (29.42) wrote:

He is a mass murder that is why he was shot.  If we did capture him then we would have to spend millions trying him in court.

djemonk's explanations were a lot better. Supposedly, the intelligence that could be derived from interrogating OBL would be worth millions of dollars, or rather, worth more than anything else our military has gotten for less than $50 million. 

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#11) On May 05, 2011 at 6:48 PM, truthisntstupid (94.07) wrote:

"Americans can't be this stupid."

 "Why was he shot?"

 

We aren't.  We're also not the ones asking why he was shot.

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#12) On May 05, 2011 at 7:19 PM, KommanderKhaos (68.32) wrote:

Well if we could have taken him alive, I am sure that we would have, because the propoganda impact of such an event would have been that much greater. To march a captured, defeated, discredited and dispirited bin Laden wearing shackles and dressed in prison garb out before the eyes of the world, now THAT would have been good propoganda, but that's not the way things worked out.

So they did what they had to do, but this ending risks creating a martyr figure out of bin Laden (but I'm pretty sure his followers already perceived him that way), as well as creating a lot of questions about what exactly happened and how it happened, and also with the secret burial at sea, that will leave doubts open as to the veracity of any of it, by those who tilt towards the conspiritorial point of view. 

It's like the enormous propoganda victory that would have been achieved by the Soviets or the Western allies had either of them captured Adolf Hitler alive, and that was partly what sped the Allies toward Berlin coming from West and East, because both sides wanted Hitler, and Hitler was well-aware of that fact. He'd seen the captured, defeated, and shamed Benito Mussolini paraded through the streets of Mezzegra through a barrage of trash and garbage hurled at him by his former subjects, and he knew that Benito and his mistress had been publicly tortured and further humiliated before being hung by the neck like commom criminals, presenting a target for everyone to hurl more garbage at. And long story short, Hitler was not about to allow himself to be taken like that and paraded through the streets of Moscow in a cage.

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#13) On May 05, 2011 at 8:48 PM, blake303 (29.51) wrote:

"Supposedly, the intelligence that could be derived from interrogating OBL would be worth millions of dollars, or rather, worth more than anything else our military has gotten for less than $50 million."

Why would we trust anything that came out of his mouth, regardless of the method of interrogation used? Better to be rid of bin Laden for good and move ahead with the intelligence collected from his compound. 

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#14) On May 06, 2011 at 9:41 AM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

Anyone remember Saddam Hussein?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Incarceration_and_trial

See "Incarceration and trial"

Feel free to call me a conspiracy nut however, OBL had to die for a reason and not, I suspect, because he was a mass murderer.

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#15) On May 06, 2011 at 9:46 AM, miteycasey (35.21) wrote:

Americans Can't Be This Stupid

never underestimate the stupidity of the person sitting next to you.

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#16) On May 06, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Melaschasm (65.55) wrote:

For those bashing Fox news, haven't you noticed that every major news outlet has a ton of conflicting stories?

Obama announced the death of Osama Bin Laden, but did not provide a copy of his orders.  Did Obama's orders ask for capturing if possible, or did he order an execution?  

Various members of the Obama administration have publicly issued conflicting statements, and even more stories have come from 'unnamed sources' inside the White House, CIA, Congress, and the Pentagon.  

I am guessing that it will take decades for the full truth to be revealed.  While there is no way to restrict the various stories from 'unnamed sources', it would have been nice if the official public announcements had more consistancy.   

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#17) On May 06, 2011 at 12:54 PM, cthomas1017 (72.98) wrote:

bin laden was killed in Tora Bora in December of 2002.  There weren't any clear photos, videos, nor voice recordings that were confirmed 100% by anyone.  bin laden ebing alived served a purpose for both sides.

 the better question (which I'm suprised no one else has raised) is why his body was discarded so quickly.  Because we're afraid not burying him would incite people who are already wildly excited about his death.  "It's ok that you killed him, but thanks be to allah that you gave him a proper burial!"  I mean, come on.  That logic makes no sense at all.

If bin laden was alive in that room and if he didn't put up a fight, then he's being properly interrogated, waterboarding and all.  And if that is the case, then even most of the watch party in the situation room aren't away.

There.  Is that conspiratorial enough for everyone?  Problem is, I more than believe that this scenario is as plausible as anything else I've seen reported to date.

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#18) On May 06, 2011 at 1:04 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

Wait,...wait,...

I got it.  I suspected OBL was in the witness protetion program shortly after 9/11 and was living in Arizona under a new identity.

Who knew the witness protection program extended all the way to Pakistan?!

Additionally, I'm sure if you search carefully the ouotside wall of the complex you will find "Haliburton" stamped into the cement!

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#19) On May 06, 2011 at 1:13 PM, ChrisGraley (30.30) wrote:

One thing I'm quite certain of, is that an elite US Navy seal would follow his rules of engagement 100%.

So that brings us back to what his rules of engagement actually were?

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#20) On May 06, 2011 at 1:18 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

ChrisGraley,

100% agreed.  The fact it was pulic and loud should also be an indicator of orders.

We're talking about and elite group of soldiers trained to be ghosts.  Without going into detail, SEALS should have been able to enter silently, make rag dolls out of any guards without a shot being fired and bag and tag their target without waking the kids.  If,... that was the order.

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#21) On May 06, 2011 at 1:24 PM, mtf00l (43.65) wrote:

You know what,...

My apologies for being an arm chair general.

Of course the SEALs acted the only way they could.

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