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May 01, 2011 – Comments (51)

We are going to be told today that Bin Laden is dead and the US has his body.

Of course, he's actually been dead for years, (Benazir Bhutto let that one slip before she conveniently met her maker), so this should be quite the circus.

Expect an orgy of self congratulations from the state and its military industrial complex.  Billions (Trillions?) of $$$, thousands of dead soldiers, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians (far more than Al Qaeda murdered), a ruined economy, a ruined national reputation, the rule of law totally disregarded at home and abroad, TSA molestation, predator drone strikes, etc etc... and 10 years later.. they finally got justice (their brand of justice.)  That is, of course, unless they are lying again.

Yep, it was all worth it.

David in Qatar

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#1) On May 01, 2011 at 10:57 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

Again, hard to kill someone who was already dead. Should be an interesting circus.....

David in Qatar

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#2) On May 01, 2011 at 11:03 PM, 100ozRound (29.38) wrote:

Mission Accomplished!

 

 

 

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#3) On May 01, 2011 at 11:10 PM, BlackSwanCapital (75.46) wrote:

Mission Accomplished - the sequel.

I suppose Obama will get to claim this during the next election...

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#4) On May 01, 2011 at 11:16 PM, BlackSwanCapital (75.46) wrote:

Also, what was he doing in a mansion just outside of Islamabad, Pakistan?

So much for a miserable cave-dwelling.. 

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#5) On May 01, 2011 at 11:18 PM, rofgile (99.29) wrote:

Whatever David,

 If this is true, it is the biggest news in 10 years for the United States. I hope it is.

 -Rof 

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#6) On May 01, 2011 at 11:19 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

American political discourse, especially during those moments when politicians would eat their own children if it meant they got to take credit, is quite sickening. Expect a lot of this:

Democrat: We needed a real commander-in-chief to get this done.  If Bush hadn't taken us into Iraq, we would have had him sooner.  Thank goodness Obama focused us on Afghanistan.  Great job, Obama!

Republican: Thank goodness George Bush put together the Coalition to fight terrorism. His hard work finally paid off.  This is a celebration of the network of countries working together to share intelligence, just as GWB had hoped. Great job, Dubya!

Average Joe: I'm broke.

David in Qatar

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#7) On May 01, 2011 at 11:21 PM, catoismymotor (42.68) wrote:

Unless we can cash his carcass in for the last 9 1/2 years of asshattery I'm little moved by this news. I was thinking a faulty dialysis machine from MR would get him first.

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#8) On May 01, 2011 at 11:25 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

rof,

This is only big news for the patriotic.  Nothing will change. Troops will stay in Afghanistan.  Innocent civilians will still be killed by drone strikes. The Patriot Act will continue. The Leviathan State will continue.  TSA will continue. Our troops will not come home. 

The American state has killed its way across the Middle East to eliminate one man, and in doing so, has committed thousands of crimes that equal anything he ever did.

This should be a time to reflect on the complete destruction of the moral fabric of the country, but instead will sing the national anthem a little louder at the next baseball game, and all will be right with the world.

David in Qatar

 

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#9) On May 01, 2011 at 11:26 PM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

47,000 U.S. Soldiers have been killed or wounded since 9.11

Expect actions for reactions to kick into high gear.

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#10) On May 01, 2011 at 11:30 PM, catoismymotor (42.68) wrote:

Did a Waldo hat play a part in this?

 

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#11) On May 01, 2011 at 11:32 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Live coverage of this event from Al Jazeera. 

That could go either way for you. Like, for example, when my favorites sports teams beat a rival, I like to read the opposing team's sports columnists as a sick joy :)

Or you could see Al Jazeera as more balanced.

Either way, I want to have some fun before this gets all emotional and someone calls me a traitor or something.

David in Qatar

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#12) On May 01, 2011 at 11:32 PM, rofgile (99.29) wrote:

Well David, 

 I happen to believe in the US, the future prospects of the country and overall the direction of our government.  Yes, this news would make me quite happy.  Lots of troops have given their service as a response to 911, and it would be good to see justice completed after so many years.

 -Rof 

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#13) On May 01, 2011 at 11:36 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

Rof,

Don't let me get in the way of your big day.  Go America!

David in Qatar

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#14) On May 01, 2011 at 11:54 PM, tomlongrpv (75.22) wrote:

David in Qatar.  Likely this makes little difference in the scheme of things.  But I find your sympathy for Bin Laden intruiguing.  He was just another plutocrat who used nationalism to advance his own hunger for power.  And, as usual, it was the twentysomethings under his spell who committed suicide to advance his aims.  There is a reason the Israelis don't bother to search people over 40 as closely.  They are the manpulators and not the idealists.  Whatever you might say about others, Obama was just a pig who manipulated the poor weak minds who listened to him.  His death is a good thing.  May the other religious fanatics like him meet his fate.  Too bad we couldn't have a show trial first. 

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#15) On May 02, 2011 at 12:06 AM, outoffocus (22.81) wrote:

#6 Average Joe: Gas prices are still too high.

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#16) On May 02, 2011 at 12:07 AM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

But I find your sympathy for Bin Laden intruiguing. '

I have no sympathy for Bin Laden.

David in Qatar

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#17) On May 02, 2011 at 12:10 AM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

I listened to OBombYa's speech.

Two things stuck out.

1. Democrats can now view the illegal military action in Pakistan as a means that was justified by the end. Sure we widened the war, probably killed a ton of Pakistanis, and enraged a lot of Muslims who will become terrorists later, but it was worth it.

2. He emphasized the status quo of our overseas military/intel operation.  The Leviathan never recedes to its former level after the crisis passes.  It just grows and grows.

David in Qatar

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#18) On May 02, 2011 at 12:12 AM, motleyanimal (88.26) wrote:

It's time for a tune.

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#19) On May 02, 2011 at 12:14 AM, HarryCarysGhost (99.69) wrote:

BFD.

Day late, dollar short.

 

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#20) On May 02, 2011 at 12:15 AM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

Osama bin Laden Dead Posted by Lew Rockwell on May 1, 2011 09:33 PM

Every time the US waves the bloody shirt of Osama, it has a purpose. Obama has been drastically weakened in recent months, and the US has been hurt by murdering Gadaffi’s family members. The mass-killing in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, etc. is not going well. The economy is a wreck. Dollar debasement is speeding up. Gasoline prices are high. So…tah-dah…the body of Osama bin Laden for our edification and distration. It may even be true. Certainly the CIA will assure us that its DNA test proves it.

UPDATE from Darien Sumner:

In re: Osama bin Laden’s death, here are the first three things that went through my mind:

1) Congratulations to the United States government on spending only ten years and a few trillion dollars to kill one old man.

2) This means we get all of our liberties back now, right? And our money? And the thousands of lives lost?

3) Ah, now the Libyan war is beginning to make a lot more sense from a political standpoint. The government needed a new bogeyman to chase.

At least I can count on LRC not to be oozing with “hooray for government murder” pablum like my Twitter feed is overflowing with.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/

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#21) On May 02, 2011 at 12:15 AM, outoffocus (22.81) wrote:

#19 A day trade and the dollar shorted...

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#22) On May 02, 2011 at 12:18 AM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

Looking for a clip of Principal Rooney in Ferris Bueller's Day Off demanding to see the corpse of the dead grandmother. Can't find it, but a lot of spoofs of it on YT.

That it would be apropos.

David in Qatar

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#23) On May 02, 2011 at 12:18 AM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

That it would be apropos.

Thought it would be...

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#24) On May 02, 2011 at 12:19 AM, motleyanimal (88.26) wrote:

Well, I want to see some photos as proof. And put some lipstick on him. And a dress. Nothing expensive, one of J. Edgar Hoover's old frocks will do.

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#25) On May 02, 2011 at 1:07 AM, ChrisGraley (29.64) wrote:

I should have strong feelings about this accomplishment as an American, but strangley I'm numb to it.

I'm not identifying with those that stand at the gates of the Whitehouse chanting "U.S.A...U.S.A...", although I understand why the are there and can't fault them for it.

As a soldier, I understand that this is not a victory. In fact, this will probably escalate the conflict.

As a father, I am less secure for the safety of my children.

As someone who has lost a family member, I understand the opportunity for closure for those that lost a loved one in 9/11.

As an investor, I understand how the markets will be more volatile because of his death in the long term.

As someone that has overcome hardships, I'm hoping that Americans will now be able to create positive momentum in the part of their lives that they can control, after resolution of a government created problem that was out of their control.

As a man, I stand there as a spec in the chaos.

Whether it's ourselves or someone else, man still seems to be inhumane to fellow man.

Maybe that's what makes winning meaningless. I'm not sure.

Or maybe it's the fact that I'm not sure that we won.

Or maybe it's that I'm celebrating a man's death.

Or maybe I'm understanding how my reaction defines me.

I shouldn't say understanding, I should say trying to understand.

I'd like to be happy, but I am starting to understand that there is a global reaction to my happiness.

I want to stand in the global view as a man. 

When 9/11 happened, I remembered those news clips of thousands of people in the middle east celebrating estatically at the destruction. I remember thinking to myself on how evil that those people must be to celebrate man's inhumanity to man. In my opinion, it justified our reaction.

If I celebrate today, will it be broadcast in Syria? Will they think about how evil that I am to celebrate a man's death? Will it spark their reaction?

I just ask that those of you that celebrate today to consider the global view of your celebration. It's not wrong to celebrate justice, but it is wrong to celebrate victory without consideration of people that were defeated without a choice of participating.

If the above statement confuses you, the people that were in the world trade center were defeated without the choice of participating. The result was a unified movement to defeat the agressors.

If we don't consider the response to our actions, we risk a unified effort that views us as the agressors.

Last, we did get justice today. We should be happy. Let's not be happy in a way that makes others seek justice gainst us.

One of my favorite quotes is from Iowa wrestling coach Dan Gable.

"Class always shows, if you win say nothing and if you lose say less." 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

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#26) On May 02, 2011 at 1:57 AM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Chris I understand. If a Christan tellls me we are all brothers and sisters through Christ then we just lost a brother who did grave harm to people. We will never know because innocent until proven guilty and there was never a day in court. I worked very hard to forgive the man many years ago. I just hope others will forgive me as well.

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#27) On May 02, 2011 at 2:05 AM, HarryCarysGhost (99.69) wrote:

@21 no, more to the fact that we could've killed him way before 9/11.

@24 well you can put lipstick on a pig but....

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#28) On May 02, 2011 at 6:38 AM, devoish (98.71) wrote:

David,

I'll go with calling you "something". You certainly have begun the politicisation of this news, by using it to trash Repubs and Dems alike. Only Ron Paul can save us, I am sure.

You really are quite the politician.

Perhaps you could make your point a little differently.

Perhaps you could simply point out that if a world is to be ruled by "equality under the law", it is a blow to freedom for all of us when anyone accused of any crime, no matter how vile or guilty we believe them to be, does not get a fair trial.

I would have preferred he be caught and tried, not cornered and killed.

Best wishes,

Steven

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#29) On May 02, 2011 at 8:04 AM, cthomas1017 (90.47) wrote:

alstry,

Is that you!?! 

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#30) On May 02, 2011 at 9:02 AM, ChrisGraley (29.64) wrote:

 tomlongrpv (87.97) wrote:

Obama was just a pig who manipulated the poor weak minds who listened to him.  His death is a good thing. 

Freudian slip tomlongrpv?

devoish, did we read the same post from David?

He didn't mention Dems. Repubs, or Ron Paul you did.

 

 

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#31) On May 02, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Schmacko (65.62) wrote:

#30 "devoish, did we read the same post from David?

He didn't mention Dems. Repubs, or Ron Paul you did."

Actually David did mention Dems and Repubs in comment #6.

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#32) On May 02, 2011 at 11:11 AM, ChrisGraley (29.64) wrote:

Thank you Schmacko, I did miss that.

 

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#33) On May 02, 2011 at 11:30 AM, HooDaHeckNose (96.05) wrote:

 

Just sayin...

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#34) On May 02, 2011 at 11:45 AM, TMFJake (70.84) wrote:

@25:  Chris, beautiful writing.  Well said.

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#35) On May 02, 2011 at 12:10 PM, L0RDZ (83.55) wrote:

Its a good day to be an american...

 

 

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#36) On May 02, 2011 at 1:38 PM, kdakota630 (29.45) wrote:

I don't think I can add anything to this:

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#37) On May 02, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Seano67 (70.02) wrote:

Well it's nice to know that guy is no longer walking the earth, because he was a horrible and completely heartless human being, but still I have to wonder if the death of bin Laden is going to have any practical effect at all, or is it just going to be a continuation of the same old, same old sh*t (and I suspect the latter), and at such a terrible cost.

I feel pretty benumbed by it all, but I am very glad he's gone. 

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#38) On May 02, 2011 at 4:37 PM, devoish (98.71) wrote:

ChrisGraley,

I mostly like what you posted, but for this;

When 9/11 happened, I remembered those news clips of thousands of people in the middle east celebrating estatically at the destruction. I remember thinking to myself on how evil that those people must be to celebrate man's inhumanity to man. In my opinion, it justified our reaction.

Because I remember candlelight vigils around the world, including the middle east, mourning with us.

Best wishes,

Steven

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#39) On May 02, 2011 at 4:52 PM, catoismymotor (42.68) wrote:

Re: #38

It depends on the news source we leaned on at the time and how our state of mind, at that time, shaped the memory of the day and weeks to follow.

As Don Henley, great poet, drummer, singer and all around good guy once sang, "Give us dirty laundry!" The press will put images of negativity on the screen before ones of solidarity and peace. Shame on them. Shame on us for watching.

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#40) On May 02, 2011 at 5:01 PM, kdakota630 (29.45) wrote:

Usama’s Dead, But the Reaction?

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#41) On May 02, 2011 at 7:18 PM, ChrisGraley (29.64) wrote:

devoish (99.40) wrote:

Because I remember candlelight vigils around the world, including the middle east, mourning with us

Thank you Steven.

It's funny that those things didn't impact my memory as much as the news clips that I mentioned before. They should.

Why do my memories of pain exceed my memories of compassion?  

Will people in the Middle East see anything out of the US that resembles compassion? Is the fact that we are handling the body in accordance to Islamic rituals at least a token? 

As years pass, what will they remember the most? 

Also, thanks to kdakota for the link to Stossel's comments. I find myself in agreement.

What I don't want to see happen are news clips on Al Jazera showing Americans having a party to celebrate the death of a Muslim. If I do understand anything, I understand the impact that news clips like that have on a population. 

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#42) On May 02, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Imperial1964 (97.75) wrote:

motleyanimal, you beat me to it.

America, f*ck yeah!

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#43) On May 02, 2011 at 9:26 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

What I don't want to see happen are news clips on Al Jazera showing Americans having a party to celebrate the death of a Muslim

Too late

David in Qatar

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#44) On May 02, 2011 at 10:09 PM, usmilitiadude (31.25) wrote:

Hmmmm..... whereaminow???? I'm stunned you believe he was dead. Ah crap, are you a truther too?

Read #33. You are smart so I'll give you a break, but I'm the dumbest guy in my tax bracket, and caught that she said "murdered OBL". Would she really refer to OBL as murdered? More like brought to justice.

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#45) On May 02, 2011 at 10:12 PM, ChrisGraley (29.64) wrote:

 whereaminow (87.68) wrote:

Too late 

 

Yes, I know. With beach-balls bouncing around.

 

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#46) On May 02, 2011 at 11:21 PM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

I'm stunned you believe he was dead.

I believe half of what I see and none of what I read. 

For me, it's not important in any context if he was really killed yesterday or they are lying. Either way, the American state has destroyed the moral fabric of its nation a long time ago.  There is no law, no justice, no reason, and no morality.  They all died.   Of that, there is no dispute.

David in Qatar

 

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#47) On May 02, 2011 at 11:52 PM, mtf00l (44.76) wrote:

Perhaps,...

Perhaps,... this is a pre-cursor to the next false flag attack against the U.S. or it's interest abroad.

Perhaps their is a person or person's that need kill'n and will become the unfortunate victims of terrorist retaliation...

We will see,...

We will see.

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#48) On May 03, 2011 at 12:18 AM, tomlongrpv (75.22) wrote:

Chris Grayley. Yes a Freudian slip perhaps.  In any event Osama Bin Laden is and was Goldstein.  (Reference to 1984).  The prior administration needed him.  President Obama did not need him and so now he is gone.  An interesting outcome.  Osama (not Obama) was just a plutocrat pig like all plutocrat pigs using his money to advance his agenda.  A more violent agenda than most plutocrats but similar in some respects.

And no, I am not a libertarian anarchist birther free-enterprise Ron Paul and Palin supporter nutcase.  Quite the contrary--I see Obama (not Osama) as likely the most intelligent President in my lifetime.  Although Eisenhower's warnings about the military-industrial complex come pretty close. 

David in Qatar  Why not believe he is dead?  It is a big disadvantage to lose Bin Laden.  Truly totalitarian regimes (and you believe the current government is one) need a Goldstein.  And Osama was the Goldstein for Bush and would have continued to be a good one.  Killing him is nuts if you are truly a totalitarian society.

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#49) On May 03, 2011 at 3:52 AM, whereaminow (21.31) wrote:

Why not believe he is dead?

I neither believe it nor disbelieve it. 

His death is as unimportant as his life. The state always becomes totalitarian.  It does not need a Bin Laden to accomplish these ends, he merely serves as a convenient means. 

Truly totalitarian regimes (and you believe the current government is one) need a Goldstein.

Government is the adminstration of the affairs of certain people. In a society that is self-governed, those affairs are the ones determined by the society at-large.  In a nation-state, government administers the affairs of the coercive minority center of power.  

Any state can eventually become totalitarian since it must rely on coercion for revenue, but that does not mean that America is completely totalitarian. It is undoubtedly on its way, however.  Bin Laden was certainly a convenient bogeyman.  Very convenient, in fact, since he did not cause a major disruption in 10 years.

I understand the Goldstein concept, but finding a new Goldstein isn't very difficult. The Southern Povery Law Center finds a new one every week.  The anti-Muslim right has a perpetual Goldstein in Sharia-Law Islam.

In that sense, keeping Bin Laden alive garners little benefit as time goes on.  Killing him at least provides a much needed short term benefit to the state, a state reeling from economic and foreign policy blunders. Replacing the last Goldstein is as easy as placing a phone call to the New York Times with orders to run a story on the next Great Enemy of the State.

David in Qatar

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#50) On May 03, 2011 at 10:28 AM, mtf00l (44.76) wrote:

Amen

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#51) On May 03, 2011 at 11:11 AM, smartmuffin (< 20) wrote:

Chris,

I think you're making a false comparison.  You cannot equate the reaction to 9/11 with the reaction to the death of Bin Laden.  Candle-light vigils are appropriate to the mass murder of civilians, but not appropriate to the military execution of a wanted mass-murderer.

To suggest that the reaction to this event should be similar to the reaction to 9/11 is to suggest that the two events are morally comparable, which I can't imagine anyone actually believes.

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