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August 15, 2008 – Comments (10)

(Many Fools have been trying to decide who is the aggressor in the Georgia-Russia conflict.  Here's one person's opinion.)

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Patrick J. Buchanan

08/15/2008

Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.

Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.

Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight -- Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.

Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of who viscerally detest Russia?

That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?

American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.

Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.

Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.

How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?

For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost -- in Tbilisi.

10 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On August 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM, motleyanimal (97.75) wrote:

Bucky sure does love to stir the pot.

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#2) On August 15, 2008 at 1:08 PM, LordZ wrote:

Frack Russia...

They are only  second rate, they lost in Afghanistan where the US hasn't, oh sure  the assistance of the US helped to crush and bring down their evil empire.

I say get in their face and show them who the real top dog of the yard is... it is not Russia LMAO....

While your at it why don't you imagine a fantasy world where the USSR won instead of USA, would you honestly think things would be better ???

Oh hell no my brother...

Oh hell no, the idiot Russians have only prospered in their defeat and acceptance of capitalism, yet they still cling to their old ways whenever it suits them.

Communism lost back than and it'll lose again.

LORD Z

Once again

Frack Russia

anytime

anyplace

 

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#3) On August 15, 2008 at 1:11 PM, LordZ wrote:

FYI

they also like to poison people with plutonium radiation.

Anyone remember their nuclear reactor meltdown and the posioning of millions.

 

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#4) On August 15, 2008 at 1:12 PM, dinodelaurentis (56.98) wrote:

um, i'd have to say that i am NOT astonished by our leaders hypocrisy. maybe the georgians are...

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#5) On August 15, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Gemini846 (89.12) wrote:

Honestly.. Bush can't do anything but stand there and go... come on Russia.. I know he hit you but quit picking on him.  He's got to be thinking..

"I'm out of this office in 6 months and the next looser can worry about it.. I'm watchin the Olympics".

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#6) On August 15, 2008 at 2:21 PM, loqwan (35.42) wrote:

Wow, tell me it's not true; it's all America's fault?

I am shocked to hear that! What an outstanding undiscovered, unbelievable and unknown opinion!

Get Barack on the phone!

Get Jimmy Carter on a plane!

We need to spread the word!

Wait world, it's all our fault! Please forgive us! 

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#7) On August 15, 2008 at 3:51 PM, LordZ wrote:

U are wrong Dakota...

and your comparisons of Russia and Usa are pathetic at best.

Nonetheless Russia had better watch their backs.

Soon they may be lying on them

knocked the frack out

with but one punch.

Again

Frack

Russia

Bear my A$$

 

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#8) On August 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM, KDakotaFund (24.86) wrote:

Thanks for reading my blog LordZ and your comments as well, but I think you need to read a little more closely.

The article clearly states it is written by Patrick J. Buchanan, not by myself, and I can assure you, that I am not Pat Buchanan.

I merely presented what I (and many others seemingly) think is an interesting point of view.

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#9) On August 15, 2008 at 7:20 PM, russiangambit (29.94) wrote:

> Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them

LordZ just demonstrated it again with his intelligent remarks. I hope he never gets into a shouting contest with a russian. Russian's "uncensored" volcabulary is much more expansive than english.

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#10) On August 16, 2008 at 10:02 AM, dinodelaurentis (56.98) wrote:

hey russiangambit: what? actually confront someone with that kind of talk while in the same ROOM? my god, that violates the rule of the internet - "never engage the enemy in three dimensions, a person could get HURT!!" it's juuuuust soooo much easier to talk that smack while sitting safe and sound at home, in front of the telly with a big tough avatar to show people how bad you are. i mean, worst case scenario is you vote to send SOMEBODY ELSE over to deliver a "knock out punch". once again i'm reminded of an old martial arts saying:

"Big talk, little a$$."

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