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Bring back the old home page ! ???

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Bring back the old home page !

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The sooner the better........   TS 17 Comments – Post Your Own#1) On March 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM, topsecret09 (42.21) wrote:

 The stock of the day Is In the way !      How about fool of the day Intsead... ??

Report this comment #2) On April 01, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Tastylunch (93.23) wrote:

can we at least have the indices back ? Please?

Report this comment #3) On April 01, 2010 at 1:52 AM, UltraLong (99.99) wrote:

I don't mind the new page all that much..it actually does show the indexes. My "only" true complaint is that I can't see enough current posts. Before I was able to see the last 8-10 blog posts, now they only show 4 which is simply not enough for me. I know I frequently would catch a post about to go off that list.

UltraLong

Report this comment #4) On April 01, 2010 at 2:54 AM, bluebare (77.68) wrote:

TMF is great but the new home page is not IMHO.  Following is a small list of concerns to illustrate, for myself at least, that there really are quite a few functional issues raised by the new design.

Today, for instance, there is just one big fat headline on the front page.  Personally, I want to see AT LEAST the three most visually appealing and compelling content items a site has to offer ASAP when I arrive at a page.  I want to get where I want to go fast.  Overall, the new design is really clunking up my previously more enjoyable browing experience.

There is no readily apparent logic to the organization to the elements now presented and no visual balance among them.  It's just seems like a jumble of random stuff pieced together with no apparent structural scheme or intuitive rationale behind it. Maybe I'm an old fogie and I'm too lazy to want to go on a treasure hunt for the goodies I'm looking everytime I go to an interesting website.  Sorry about that.

Stock of the Day.  Big, useless waste of valuable space as far as I'm concerned.  More important than member comments which have been dramatically reduced?  No way!  IMHO.

Market graph presentation is amateuish compared to competitors.

And so on.  Maybe you're going in a new better direction and I just don't get it.  Or maybe you're not and there are some web pros out there in the membership that can explain why the new look doesn't work as well as before or some new alternatives better than I know how to.  I hope TMF will invite some free  counsel and ask for a helping hand from some resident e-gurus to help do a little spring cleaning in the neighborhood PLEASE?????!!!!!

Report this comment #5) On April 01, 2010 at 9:02 AM, soycapital (91.87) wrote:

There is no readily apparent logic to the organization to the elements now presented and no visual balance among them.  It's just seems like a jumble of random stuff pieced together with no apparent structural scheme or intuitive rationale behind it. Maybe I'm an old fogie and I'm too lazy to want to go on a treasure hunt for the goodies I'm looking everytime I go to an interesting website.  Sorry about that.

Stock of the Day.  Big, useless waste of valuable space as far as I'm concerned.  More important than member comments which have been dramatically reduced?  No way!  IMHO.

Good points bluebare! Home page is a jumbled mess!

Report this comment #6) On April 01, 2010 at 9:51 AM, outoffocus (< 20) wrote:

You DO realize that is the April Fools front page right?

Report this comment #7) On April 01, 2010 at 9:56 AM, elbrombo (58.44) wrote:

Green thumb - old page

Red thumb - new page

Agree with Ultralong, need to see more current posts......

Please let this be an April TMFools joke....

Report this comment #8) On April 01, 2010 at 10:15 AM, USNHR (99.03) wrote:

I do like the "biggest changes", other than that... new home page stinks...

Report this comment #9) On April 01, 2010 at 12:09 PM, topsecret09 (42.21) wrote:

  Hello !!!   Is anybody out there ??   Home page Is NOT GOOD !!   Ever heard the term "If It Isn't broke don't fix It ?" Well this Is the definition of that quote !!!   We don't care about the stock of the day !! Thats what the blog posts are for. There Is way too much wasted space,and not enough room for the blog posts...    TS

Report this comment #10) On April 01, 2010 at 12:16 PM, dargus (56.23) wrote:

I've been seeing the new layout at home for the last couple weeks. I'm not especially fond of it.

Report this comment #11) On April 01, 2010 at 2:01 PM, geo45 (< 20) wrote:

I'm a retired Web professional from a major corporation and I agree with most of the comments posted above.  This is not an April Fool's joke since it has been running for the last couple of weeks.

My biggest disappointment is with the index graphs and data.  I used to be able to leave the Fool page up on one browser tab and the indexes would be up to date everytime I looked at them.  This is no longer true inspite of the assertion that they have been updated "moments ago".  The page must be refreshed/reloaded to update the index data.

I, too, have no use for the "stock of the day" opinion poll and see no real value in featuring it so prominently on the front page.

Of course, as a retired corporate employee, I realize that the front page is more often than not a result of internal politics rather than actual design with thoughts to the actual users.  I would hope that Fooldom could rise above that, but the new home page seems to be a step in the wrong direction.

 

Report this comment #12) On April 01, 2010 at 4:14 PM, 08PortfolioModel (< 20) wrote:

hate it.

I liked having the S&P on every page. Was that too hard?

Stock of the day is a waste of time. Put todays market on top of todays stories, and raise the Featured Columnist and the Latest Buzz to the top, under the 'sub-banner'

 

Report this comment #13) On April 01, 2010 at 4:15 PM, 08PortfolioModel (< 20) wrote:

hate it.

I liked having the S&P on every page. Was that too hard?

Stock of the day is a waste of time. Put todays market on top of todays stories, and raise the Featured Columnist and the Latest Buzz to the top, under the 'sub-banner'

 

Report this comment #14) On April 01, 2010 at 4:47 PM, soycapital (91.87) wrote:

Yes, larger buzz box shrink or lose the "stock of the day".

Report this comment #15) On April 01, 2010 at 5:02 PM, bubabar (< 20) wrote:

Please expand the latest buzz back to at least eight again, I can live with the rest.

Report this comment #16) On April 01, 2010 at 7:10 PM, topsecret09 (42.21) wrote:

 Still nobody home at Motley Fool ? I'll just repost It....   TS

 

14 Comments – Post Your Own#1) On April 01, 2010 at 10:14 PM, soycapital (91.58) wrote:

Guess they are too busy chasing that shoe guy! Hope they nail his @ss to the wall. Way too many shoes!

Report this comment #2) On April 01, 2010 at 10:21 PM, catoismymotor (87.97) wrote:

I echo bubabar's comment.

Report this comment #3) On April 01, 2010 at 10:27 PM, topsecret09 (42.77) wrote:

#1) On April 01, 2010 at 10:14 PM, soycapital (91.87) wrote:Guess they are too busy chasing that shoe guy!   LOL!!!!!   Yea that was very annoying !!!!

Report this comment #4) On April 01, 2010 at 10:28 PM, soycapital (91.58) wrote:

+1 Rec

Report this comment #5) On April 02, 2010 at 2:28 AM, djshagggyd (84.74) wrote:

Agreed!

Bring back the Buzz Box!

Great work assembling all this info TopSecret09 and thanks.

Report this comment #6) On April 02, 2010 at 2:38 AM, UltraLong (99.97) wrote:

Bring back the latest buzz to at least 8 comments..... no justice, no peace.... no justice, no peace.... no justice, no peace =)

I can't believe that was 16 years ago now......but seriously.. where'd the rest of those latest buzz comments go... i want 8, not 4. Do it now... do it now... do it now....

UltraLong

Report this comment #7) On April 02, 2010 at 12:47 PM, topsecret09 (42.77) wrote:

 Nobody home ?

Report this comment #8) On April 02, 2010 at 2:16 PM, djshagggyd (84.74) wrote:

Please TMF?

Give us back the 8! I think that's all any of us really want.

Or could we at least figure out a compromise?

There's gotta be a better solution than only 4 slots...

 

 

Report this comment #9) On April 02, 2010 at 3:20 PM, TMFMoby (99.42) wrote:

Hey Fools - Thanks very much for the feedback.  We try our best take your feedback into account alongside the millions of other TMF members who use our homepage.  I'll address some of the specific concerns but I first wanted to show you the thought process we’re putting into our design decisions.  We’re not throwing darts…I promise. :)


Our design process is both quantitative and qualitative.  Months before we even open Photoshop to start the look and feel of a page, we study every single link on the page: how often each are clicked, what Fools do after they click the link, how often they come back to the homepage, etc.

We study months of this data generated by millions of our members, and put it alongside feedback like this to make well-rounded decisions that benefit the majority of Fools.

We then design and code up a test version of our new page and measure it against the old one in an A/B test.   Typically we do this with a randomly-selected 50% of our members getting each version.

We then carefully examine those results to make sure our data/feedback-informed theories were correct.  If the new page does what we expected, we then roll it out to 95% of our users. 

We also leave the remaining 5% out there for a longer time period to make sure the difference persists over time. 
I definitely hear you and the other 99.99% of the members of our community who use our pages, and try to build the best pages for all of us.  Fool.com is my homepage at home and work, so I am very aligned with you here.  I want Fool.com to be the best homepage in finance, and I’m certain together we can build it.

To address some of the specific concerns:
-On Stock of The Day being a waste of space: Our data shows it is introducing new members to CAPS every day, better than any previous presentation of CAPS on our homepage.  Is it perfect?  Not even close, but give us a few months and we’ll see if we can make it so.
-Indices: We removed these to reduce the clutter of our top navigation area, so new members to Fool.com could focus on the content of each specific page.  We also saw in testing that many people ignored them completely due to their location (and perhaps looking like an ad.)  The industry term for this is banner blindness.  I suspect we’ll bring them back site-wide in some fashion, but they will be much improved when we do.
-Buzz Box being smaller: We shrunk it because clicks to each item decrease by half on each successive item in the list.  In other words, 4 items in and basically no one is clicking, which is a massive waste of space.  However, I suspect we’ll add a “more” link below that list, so members who want a deeper experience (including me) can get that in one click.  We'll also be adding an RSS feed for it.  Stay tuned.
-On Ever heard the term "If It Isn't broke don't fix It ?":  Yes. My father first told me that when I "fixed" my bike at age seven.  However in the web there is a rarely a binary broke/not broke experience.  Everything can always be improved, especially as technologies improve.  If we stop changing and improving the page for the majority of our users, then our page would look like this: http://web.archive.org/web/19971010153353/http://www.fool.com/.  I’ll make the joke so you don’t have to. :) “Even that looks better than your current homepage!” 

Please keep the discussion going here in the blogs.  I’m also happy to discuss one-on-one if you like.  My email address is jphillips@fool.com.  I’m also open to postcard-based correspondence if that’s your thing.  Our address is 2000 Duke Street St, 4th Floor – Alexandria, Va 22314.

Again I truly appreciate your passion for our site, and your posts will help greatly improve it.
Jeremy Phillips, VP Fool.com

 

Report this comment #10) On April 02, 2010 at 6:16 PM, topsecret09 (42.77) wrote:

#9) On April 02, 2010 at 3:20 PM, TMFMoby (99.44) wrote:

Hey Fools - Thanks very much for the feedback.  We try our best take your feedback into account alongside the millions of other TMF members who use our homepage.  I'll address some of the specific concerns but I first wanted to show you the thought process we’re putting into our design decisions.  We’re not throwing darts…I promise. :)     

Please keep the discussion going here in the blogs.  I’m also happy to discuss one-on-one if you like.  My email address is jphillips@fool.com.  I’m also open to postcard-based correspondence if that’s your thing.  Our address is 2000 Duke Street St, 4th Floor – Alexandria, Va 22314.Again I truly appreciate your passion for our site, and your posts will help greatly improve it.
Jeremy Phillips, VP Fool.com      Thanks for listening,we really appreciate that. Hopefully you can tweak the home page to make the majority of us fools happy. It's a great website,and a great learning experience for all that use the many resources of  The Motley Fool.......   TS

 

Report this comment #11) On April 03, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

TS- Thanks so much for taking the initiative here. Agree, agree, agree. These Fools will figure it out and will soon feel it in their wallet when the ad revs tail as I assume the revenues are driven by user volumn. Right now there is a 17 hour old blog still up- never seen that before. What I find most disconcerting is that through all their "quantitative and qualitative analysis", we as a "community", with all our Foolish wit, wisdom and specific knowledge of a vast array of sectors and companies, have been assigned a "value" equal to a picture of a backetball and a picture of for sale sign on the homepage. Many of us have found better sources of info- be it news, screeners or charts- all free, but I frequent the Fool for this "community". That is the intangable that quant/qual analysis completely misses and I would posit to Jeremy Phillips that this is what puts Motley ahead. Were it up to me, I would put the gainers/ losers on the new front page along with stock 'o the day as they are not CAPS specific which would free up space for an expanded Buzz Box which is CAPS specific. Voila! Build on your strength maybe? I have other thoughts if any of you MFers would like to hear them. A wise youg lady recently said "You can't judge an <20 book by its cover". My first stock was an all-in position in IGT 20 odd yrs ago in anticipation of Indian gaming. Not to brag but CHART THAT!  One last thing- TMF should really include Sinch with your staff of writers as IMHO, Chris is far and away your best, most dedicated and brightest. The others are mostly pitchmen (and woman). What a slap in the face. Lose this guy, cripple the community, and you'll all be sitting around the table scratching your quants. 17 Hours! Fool On! Q. How do you "try" to take feedback into account? Either you do or you don't. Perhaps "try" should become "absolutely". Best Regards.

Report this comment #12) On April 03, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

It's now 5 hours later. You've (TMF) had 2 posts in the last 15 hours and 24 total recs in the past 24 hrs (not counting chicken little and his alters, all recubating his self)- on a Sat PM. I'm calling a top in TMF. I have some suggestions for anyone looking for a new home.  As my 16 yr old says "better ck yourself  'for you wreck yourself... just sayin' (she's says that alot too). Better fix it guys.  Better hurry.
 Thanks again TS. Where are you hangin' now? Regards.

Report this comment #13) On April 03, 2010 at 8:08 PM, djshagggyd (84.74) wrote:

Hey TMFMoby,

Really appreciate the explanation, thanks!! Looking forward to the possible add-ons to the "latest buzz"... the things you mentioned sound like great ideas.

~djshagggyd 

Report this comment #14) On April 04, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Re #11.   Hmmmm..... scratch... scratch...
Thought I'd stop by and see how it's going. Scratch.. scratch. Let's see, 7 of your 10 "fresh from" Blogs are >20 hours old. Not good... Sun. 1PM. Scratch... scratch.. Not even a "Happy Easter To All".  Maybe more pictures of buttons and balls would help. Scratch... scratch.. Yea.. more pictures.

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#1) On April 06, 2010 at 10:09 PM, topsecret09 (41.66) wrote:

   Big headlines about one company taking up valuable web space....  still do not get It....   TS

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#2) On April 06, 2010 at 10:11 PM, topsecret09 (41.66) wrote:

  Just four blog posts under an oversized box about an opinion on a single company does not make sense to me either....  The blogs have not been the same,and articles are harder to find.... TS

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#3) On April 06, 2010 at 10:28 PM, soycapital (< 20) wrote:

 Just four blog posts under an oversized box about an opinion on a single company does not make sense to me either....

Yeah, I don't get it, I would think much less traffic to the home page in the long run. I know I don't spend as much time here, looking for another forum to get into. It's too hard to stay connected to blogs here and get a feel for what is happening in the market.

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#4) On April 06, 2010 at 10:44 PM, SockMarket (36.00) wrote:

youre beating a dead horse, or in this case, a dead homepage

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#5) On April 06, 2010 at 11:24 PM, elbrombo (< 20) wrote:

I really don't like the Stock of the Day:

1. It promotes new users (and current ones) to vote on a stock they really may have no clue about. This then adds nothing but uninformed noise to the CAPS rating which is supposed to be a barometer of our communities collaborative intelligence.
Personally I would never vote on a stock unless I have at least some degree of informed wisdom.

 2. It's too big and looks like a clowns flower that will squirt water once you select the wrong button...

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#6) On April 06, 2010 at 11:35 PM, topsecret09 (41.66) wrote:

#5) On April 06, 2010 at 11:24 PM, elbrombo (49.94) wrote:I really don't like the Stock of the Day:    Neither does anybody else.....    2. It's too big and looks like a clowns flower that will squirt water once you select the wrong button...      LOL !!!!!   Yep !!!! 

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