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Chinese Inflation (Pats Self on Back), and More

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January 21, 2011 – Comments (9)

Here is me writing in mid/late-November about how Chinese currency controls are going to hurt it by causing increasing amounts of internal inflation.

Here is Paul Krugman finallylending an official voice of sanity and writing today about this issue as well.

(Pat, pat, pat, pat.) 

Of course, what I failed to talk about then, and what Krugman fails to discuss is the following:  If internal Chinese inflation is being driven by its currncy manipulation -- the peg of the renmimbe to the dollar (he implies it's almost solely because of this), then why is inflation also going wild in Brazil, and in India, and even in New Zealand?  I think it's a combination of things, including the QE2 here, but also China's QE, as well as La Nina and US corn ethanol policies, the former of which has caused among other things, this to happen to Australia and its coal mine and farm land.

Lots of money chasing fewer goods equals inflation.  So far, although Americans continue to preemptively freak out about inflation, the U.S. has escaped this, largely.  Even if you break out food prices, at least according to this guy, they haven't been inflating that much in the last year or two.  In my completely un-expert view, unlike China and India and Brazil, Americans are suffereing from huge unemployment, and don't have lots of excess spending money and savings right now, as those who are employed are busy paying down our credit cards and student loans, and freaking out about spending anything because they're underwater on mortgage loans.

Anyway, we certainly are at an interesting cross-roads.  This worldwide food-price inflation story is going all-too-uncovered in the U.S. media I follow, though various bloggers (including on this site) have covered it.  I do not see massive inflation happening in America anytime soon, and neither does the government bond market, which expects U.S. inflation to be under 2% per year for the next decade.

Where does this leave us?  Not sure.  The only thing I know for sure is that given all that is happening in the world, U.S. markets, even after the last two days of drops, seem disturbingly calm to me.  And this is to say nothing of the ongoing Euro crisis, specifically the fact that Spain's bond yields keep oscillating ever higher, with higher and higher troughs.  The fit really still has the potential hit the shan I think.   

9 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On January 21, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Valyooo (99.81) wrote:

Housing and employment are two key components of CPI.  Once they pick up and money has more velocity, that is when we should expect inflation.

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#2) On January 21, 2011 at 10:37 AM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

Good morning, Valyooo! 

Housing is actually by far the largest component of CPI.  That's why I also looked at food separately, since food inflation is the most visible thing we are seeing the most of in other countries. 

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#3) On January 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

Also, I agree with you, though as I'm sure you know velocity cannot be measured independently.  So the question is, do you think housing and employment will pick up significantly in the next year or two?  Personally, I see some improvement coming, assuming there are no more crises, but I see no major shift that would kickstart inflation.  And even if there is a larger shift, the Fed has I think (at least temporarily) learned its lesson and will quickly act to reduce the money supply.

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#4) On January 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Valyooo (99.81) wrote:

I am not really sure where housing and employment will be.  I would imagine employment will go up with the recent earnings increases. However, I don't think the Fed has really learned any lesson...I think they will continue to do more of the same nonsense.

BTW, great post, I am glad somebody brought this to attention.

I see you have broke out of the <20 range, woohoo!

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#5) On January 21, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Valyooo (99.81) wrote:

By the way in your XOM blog you said the p/e is higher than the 5 year average p/e...how do you find the average p/e? is there a site with this info?

+1 rec by the way

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#6) On January 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

Thanks, Valyoo.  I fear my repreive from the <20 may be temporary, as so much is based on percentage correct and I own a bunch of solid mega-caps that are barely positive but will likely underperform for awhile as and if the market shoots up another ten or fifteen percent in the coming year.  We shall see though. 

As to 5 year average p/e, I did not calculate that myself, I rely on Morningstar.  See this link.  It's contained in the "Valuation" tab for each company.  For XOM they list a p/e of 13.7 and a 5-year average of 12.7, so the p/e is higher than the five year average.  You can also look at the prior years' figures and average things yourself. I find Morningstar to be generally reliable, more so than some other sites, like Yahoo finance, anyway.  I use their "Key Ratios" and "Financials" tabs a lot.  I like "Key Ratios" because it's one of the few places on the web that gives you ten years worth of data without you having to pay a fee for the information.

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#7) On January 21, 2011 at 6:46 PM, truthisntstupid (95.76) wrote:

Hi, dtf & valyooo

Morningstar rocks!  DTF I remember that post on Chinese inflation.  You called it!

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#8) On January 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Valyooo (99.81) wrote:

Wow, I need to start using morningstar...I am tired of yahoo finance.

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#9) On January 24, 2011 at 1:36 PM, TheDumbMoney (58.55) wrote:

See this link, also dead-on regarding inflation in emerging countries, and helps to further explain the inflation in Brazil.  As long as emerging countries with export economies fail to allow their currencies to appreciate against the dollar, it will translate into internal inflation in their consumer economies.  I would also add Europe's inflation to this analysis:  the Euro crisis worries, which have been unresolved by the ECB and the rest of the Eurocrats, have artificially depressed the Euro against the dollar, thus leading to inflation there.

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