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September 26, 2008 – Comments (24) | RELATED TICKERS: MAC , EAD

They tell me this man is ready to lead the country. That this man puts "Country First" ahead of his own political position, ahead of polarizing partisan shenanigans and cheap political tricks you'd see in, oh I dunno, a PTA meeting or a mayoral race in a small Alaskan town. Really?  Sure seems like a lot of grandstanding from these cheap seats...

With McCain dragging his feet, "rushing" to take 22 hours to travel from NYC to D.C., "suspending" his campaign (when the only thing he's managed to suspend is our belief in him), flipping off David Letterman for a Katie Couric interview and a spate of other high visibility events (none of which dealt with our immediate fiscal woes), one this is perfectly clear now: It's not about "fixing the economy"; it's about "fixing John McCain's campaign."

It's about political posturing being more important than working together trying to solve a difficult and potentially disasterous problem.

It's not about "Country First", but "Me First".

Walking in literally at the last minute, the Senator who has not cast ONE SINGLE VOTE in the Senate over the last five months and who has little insight & experience into banking issues & committees, shows up just when everyone seems settled on a plan of action, and calls a DO-OVER?  Excuse me, but where the heck were you, Mr. McCain, when the rest of the Congressional leaders from both parties and your President and his Treasury Secretary were hammering out a general agreement for five freaking hours? Cavorting at the Clinton Global Initiative? Doing interviews? Getting a manicure?

This sort of behavior is reprehensible, far from being Presidential, and it borders on the ludicrous and childish. At least Obama has called (twice now) for a joint statement and agreement from both candidates that they'd put aside partisan politics and work together to solve this thing for the good of the country, and McCain has twice tried to steal Obama's thunder. Is McCain really that petty? Or just that desperate?

I expect the markets to open low and continue sliding today (Friday). Thanks, John, for being there to serve your "country first"...

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#1) On September 26, 2008 at 6:36 AM, TheGarcipian (87.25) wrote:

Whoops! My mistake. I embedded the wrong URL from The Daily Show. Here's the correct clip (the 2nd half of Stewart's skit) that I'd meant to embed. Sorry for the goof...

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#2) On September 26, 2008 at 7:26 AM, dexion10 (28.21) wrote:

Mccain has made a mockery of himself... I guess we now understand why republicans couldn't stand him for years.... he stabs you in the back right after he shakes your hand and you turn to walk away.

What a punk.

Forget the fact that he has no public speaking skill and the memory of a gold fish!

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#3) On September 26, 2008 at 7:41 AM, gsricks55 (< 20) wrote:

What I get from your post is that you are an Obama supporter. Don't sacrifice your credibility in an attempt to bash your candidate's opponent.

Do you really turn to the Daily Show for information and perspective? Stewart's funny but he needs ratings to stay on the air. That's all you need to know about the Daily Show.

All Obama has said is "If you need me, call me." They called him and he voted present.

John McCain has more integrity in his little finger than all of his critics can muster. The Democrats are cranking up the propaganda machine to make this impasse look like it was McCain"s fault. He does still draw a salary for being Senator and he should do something to earn it. The rebellion came from the conservative House Republicans, who McCain has little influence over.

Can you name one person who can explain how we were going to determine the price of these illiquid and opaqe securities? No one seemed to be able to answer that question and it is at the heart of the problem. Pay too little and the banks are still under capitalized; pay too much and the tax payers are screwed.

All Obama does is pose for the camera. Every appearance is a performance. (I'm not president but I play one on TV). By the way how many votes has Obama made in the past five months?

Finally, in the past five months, how many weeks was Congress in session? Don't they take a long summer recess? Aren't they supposed to recess today for the rest of the year?

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#4) On September 26, 2008 at 8:21 AM, rd80 (99.31) wrote:

Maybe this was a politcal stunt by McCain, I don't think so but only John McCain knows the answer to that question.  If this was a political move by McCain, it's a very, very risky one.

What I do know is McCain has helped put the brakes on a $700 billion dollar bailout package that I and many on this site disagree with.

The old saying about those who love law and sausage shouldn't watch either one being made is true here.  We're all getting to watch law being made and it isn't pretty. 

For better or worse, McCain is in the mix and has arguably helped protect taxpayers from a bad $700B tab.  Obama's main contribution so far is to recognize that he has nothing to contribute.

 

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#5) On September 26, 2008 at 10:46 AM, LordZ wrote:

EVEN Mccain can see the BS behind the 700 billion scare, while Obama would blindly follow whatever would win him the office !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW everyone smart on caps has almost agreed that the proposed rescue is BS....

Yet the first opportunity to bash MCCAIN, YA"ll NOBAMA supporters just jump to attack....

JUmp whenever daddy Paulson says give me your money.

WOW

just wow

FRACk the plan

I'm tired of scare tactics

hell maybe the market should drop 50%

just for idiots who look to comedy central and david letterman.

FRACK DAVE

the guy has never been funny.

LMAO

 

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#6) On September 26, 2008 at 10:48 AM, LordZ wrote:

NOBAMA contribution.... my handlers told me to vote PRESENT >>>>>>>>>> LMAO

At least Mccain has the balls to say hold on son...

why ???

why is that ????

hmmmmm

 

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#7) On September 26, 2008 at 11:05 AM, LordZ wrote:

TheGarcipian  stop being so concerned about the country, anyone with any sense can see your only concerned about your stocks possibly falling and you would encourage stupid spending in trillions just to get a 5% pop on your stocks... wow....

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#8) On September 26, 2008 at 11:14 AM, louiepop (65.16) wrote:

McCain supporters are hillarious.  Just one week ago this man said that the economy was fundamentally strong...oops.  Then in his rush to judgement he said that the SEC chairman should be fired...smart.  For months the American public have been waiting to hear what his postion is on the economy.  Didn't hear it at the convention, and didn't hear it after the convention until his hand was forced by the economic mess.  What he did show was that he has no clue about economic issues and in his state of panic he's willing to say anything that comes to mind.  That is hardly presidential.

The $700B bailout is an unfortunate result of the excesses of the past.  This needs to pass because without it credit markets will continue their path to locking up.  The fact that this law needs to be passed quickly is unfortunate but necessary.

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#9) On September 26, 2008 at 11:15 AM, louiepop (65.16) wrote:

McCain supporters are hillarious.  Just one week ago this man said that the economy was fundamentally strong...oops.  Then in his rush to judgement he said that the SEC chairman should be fired...smart.  For months the American public have been waiting to hear what his postion is on the economy.  Didn't hear it at the convention, and didn't hear it after the convention until his hand was forced by the economic mess.  What he did show was that he has no clue about economic issues and in his state of panic he's willing to say anything that comes to mind.  That is hardly presidential.

The $700B bailout is an unfortunate result of the excesses of the past.  This needs to pass because without it credit markets will continue their path to locking up.  The fact that this law needs to be passed quickly is unfortunate but necessary.

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#10) On September 26, 2008 at 11:21 AM, louiepop (65.16) wrote:

McCain supporters are hillarious.  Just one week ago this man said that the economy was fundamentally strong...oops.  Then in his rush to judgement he said that the SEC chairman should be fired...smart.  For months the American public have been waiting to hear what his postion is on the economy.  Didn't hear it at the convention, and didn't hear it after the convention until his hand was forced by the economic mess.  What he did show was that he has no clue about economic issues and in his state of panic he's willing to say anything that comes to mind.  That is hardly presidential.

The $700B bailout is an unfortunate result of the excesses of the past.  This needs to pass because without it credit markets will continue their path to locking up.  The fact that this law needs to be passed quickly is unfortunate but necessary.

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#11) On September 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM, LordZ wrote:

louiepop  your an idiot who is unable to just post once and is unable to listen and comprehend what people say, hell you just love to interpret and change and add stuff to what people say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mccain said that the fundamentals are strong !!!! come on guy everyone knows we have trouble and not everything is good, but you would just love to hear him say that we are fubared wouldnt you and than you would criticize him because saying such would only create more chaos.

The fundamentals of our economy are strong, and yeah the guy at the SEC should get the axe, as to positions on the economy wtf.

NOBAMA PLEASE

please indeed.

If you were listening really listening you would know his posiitions and stance, but louiepop  lets face it

your a fool  who feels the need to post multiple times like

what you say is so important.

LOL

 

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#12) On September 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, LordZ wrote:

louiepop  please not that it did not take me 3 posts.

See son you can only post once... not twice not three times.... mister spaz and refresh because I don't see my comment, son you just have to be more patient...

its retarted to see someone repeat over and over again.

 

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#13) On September 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, louiepop (65.16) wrote:

You guys are hillarious.  Taking personal shots at me is just what I expect from McCain supporters.  I stated my opinion and you guys jump down my throat.

Believe it or not I do listen and all I've heard is the same Karl Rove like political attacks that I saw in 2000 and 2004.  The funny part is that this style seems to be spreading to Republican backers as well.  Maybe if you took the time to listen you would realize that what McCain is trying to do is pull the wool over your eyes.  

What McCain said was  that the fundamentals of the economy were strong.  They're not.  Spin it any way you want that is what he said. He has shown no indication that he has a clue what to do with the economy.  As a matter of fact all he has shown is the ability to press the panic button everytime things get tough.  That is very presidential.

Lordz your sensitivity is comical.

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#14) On September 26, 2008 at 12:47 PM, LordZ wrote:

Again  louiepop you get it wrong and you add your own twists and spin....

he didnt say were !!!!!!!!!!

he said are

The worst truths are those based upon lies.

I'm not sensitive, but I can't stand seeing losers place their own twists and spins and than criticize someone for something they actually didnt say, its really easy to put words in and change facts by merely changing a word or two.

Again look at what you said originally and than when I called you out, look at what you said next and again you still got it wrong.

but hey let me just cut and paste to show you

#9) On September 26, 2008 at 11:15 AM, louiepop (54.99) wrote:

McCain supporters are hillarious.  Just one week ago this man said that the economy was fundamentally strong...oops.  Then in his rush to judgement he said that the SEC chairman should be fired...smart.

13) On September 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, louiepop (54.99) wrote:

You guys are hillarious.  Taking personal shots at me is just what I expect from McCain supporters.  I stated my opinion and you guys jump down my throat.

Believe it or not I do listen and all I've heard is the same Karl Rove like political attacks that I saw in 2000 and 2004.  The funny part is that this style seems to be spreading to Republican backers as well.  Maybe if you took the time to listen you would realize that what McCain is trying to do is pull the wool over your eyes.  

What McCain said was  that the fundamentals of the economy were strong

 In both comments, you stated your own opinion and than changed the wording of what MCCAIN said.

He said the fundamentals are strong

not that they were strong and not that the economy is strong.

Yet reading what you placed down you don't get it, its not a pot shot, its true, and now your bring up some Rove bull, NOBAMA please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE..

NOBLAMA wanna be fool.

And if my calling you out on your 3 posts and your next equally misinformed propoganda nobama bull makes you think i'm seinsitive well that again is your own misinformed opinion which is not fact more like fiction.

Again its not a shot, and look wow you only posted that once... good job son ... good job.... :)

Look to the NOBAMA caimpaign if you want to see true negative non issue attacks.

I'm noblama and I vote PRESENT  as to whether I approve or disapprove of this message....

LMAO

 

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#15) On September 26, 2008 at 2:11 PM, TheGarcipian (87.25) wrote:

You know, you can tell alot about a person by the way he/she reacts to statements. Methinks thou doth protest too much, LZ and gsricks55.

I have made observations about McCain's behavior above, his duplicity and hyprocrisy and lip service. I have not commented on whether his plan is good, bad, or a no-opt. I have not commented on his patriotism, nor do I type in perpetual bold face, nor have I called anyone an 'idiot'. rd80 had a good balanced view, one I have to agree with (especially the part about "The old saying about those who love law and sausage shouldn't watch either one being made is true here" -- that's so true!). Personally, I am not in favor of a $700B bailout, especially if it has no strings attached. But on the other hand, I don't know what it'll do to our economy (with or without the bailout), so I'm willing to listen and learn and explore all options. Like many people on this site, I do not think we should rush into this (unlike our President and his Treasury Secretary wanted to do at first).

McCain was caught in another lie. Plain and simple. From the facts given: he went on to do five separate events after proclaiming his campaign was stopped because the economy was in dire straits and that he was going to Washington to fix the problem for the good of the country. With the exception of sleeping in NYC (which he could have done in D.C.), the subsequent events he attended are seemingly unimportant considering the reason he gave. To suspend his campaign and then duck out of a debate that he may get hammered in (at a time when this is exactly the sort of stuff we should be debating), well, it was plain and simply a political stunt. It also hints that perhaps he is not ready for the debate tonight.

McCain has been losing his integrity ever since he threw away his Maverick mantle in 2003 and started kissing-up to the GOP. This is just another nail in his integrity's coffin. And that saddens me, for I used to have a lot of respect for the man, pre-2003. I even considered him an excellent alternative to Bush in 2000, before he pulled out of the race. Now, he's very different. The old John McCain is dead. "Country First?" Hardly.

Finally, I can understand you cringing when your candidate does something stupid like this, for he has proven himself to all with open eyes to be less Presidential and more concerned with theatrics than solving our nation's problems. But don't attack me for it. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

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#16) On September 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, TheGarcipian (87.25) wrote:

This just broke: McCain to attend tonight's debate.

Excellent. Now we will all have a chance to hear both candidate's plans in their own words, without the media circus. I don't know about you, but I plan to watch this on PBS so I can skip the blathering of the talking heads and digest what they said, unencumbered by the spin the news people will certainly put on it.

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#17) On September 26, 2008 at 2:24 PM, TheGarcipian (87.25) wrote:

Oh, snap! From the mouths of his own campaign staff...

In that previous CNN story I'd linked to above, there were these lines:

Some fellow lawmakers said McCain hasn't contributed much to the financial debate, and senior campaign advisers told CNN they believed it was politically crucial that McCain show up at the debate in Oxford, Mississippi.

[CNN reporter Dana] Bash said a senior adviser to McCain agreed that McCain seemed to be hindering the negotiating process rather than helping it.

"We understand that what we need to do is get McCain out of here, get him out of town, because the minute that McCain is somebody seen as brokering this, that's going to kill it," Bash quoted him as saying.

She said sources inside McCain's campaign understand he was "political dynamite."

Now, is there any doubt that McCain's campaign suspension was anything more than a political stunt? I think not. And perhaps Obama didn't help out either, but at least he was there for the entire 5-hour meeting, working jointly with both parties and the President.

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#18) On September 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM, louiepop (65.16) wrote:

The fundamentals of the economy were not strong when he said it and they are not strong right now.  If the fundamentals of the economy are strong  then I can understand why you would want to vote for McCain since you both agree on the topic. I can't see it though considering that credit as we know it is on the verge of melting away to nothing.  And please don't tell me that you believe it when the Republican spinmeisters say that what he meant was the American worker is strong who right now happens to be struggling under a pile of debt, decreasing home values, rising prices and rising unemployment.  I doubt he feels very strong right now.

You accuse me of lies but it's not a lie. He was called on it and he later backtracked.  You are right he did say "is" but when he said "is" last week is irrelevant if you were to ask him today he probably would say he shouldn't have said anything like he did regarding the status of the economy.  The fact of the matter is that this is classic McCain.  React on emotion.  That is very presidential.

McCain's record speaks for itself.  His backing of Phil Gramm and his repeal of the Glass Steagall act is what helped get us into this mess in the first place.  Now he wants to come in and clean this up.  It's a joke and all he wants to do is constantly create some sort of smoke screen to help keep people from seeing the truth.  First it was Palin, then it was lets supend the campaign to pass this bill and lets see if we can postpone the first debate.  The truth is that he is a Republican who in spite of his "maverick" status has backed Bush and his policies for the last 8 year.  He doen't want people to dwell on his record so he is constantly on the move looking for a way to distract the voters.

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#19) On September 26, 2008 at 2:41 PM, LordZ wrote:

I'm not in favour of trillions to bail out and make whole fools.

Please also note that I haven't had the need to bash any candidates lately.

Nor show any love for them.

NOBLAMA PLEASE wanna bees.

Buzzing and buzzing.

 

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#20) On September 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM, LordZ wrote:

IF I wanted to take a shot at you buddy I would have :)

And If I wanted to post my opinion I would have.

BUT

Lets take a look at NOBama's record ????

Well when he has one that'll be great LMAO

In the meanwhile he'll keep voting present or voting for bipartisan present votes to minimize his stances.

But this is not be be unexpected as it might be beyond his pay grade.

Credit is bull crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the loser it melts away the sooner we see who really is swimming naked, its too bad that the sights will cause many to puke as these people are mostly unattractive and fatties ~ huge whales looking to remain fed by other peoples money.

 

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#21) On September 27, 2008 at 9:39 PM, rd80 (99.31) wrote:

Gar,  

Gotta agree, as this played out it sure looks like a stunt.  He certainly could have gone back to DC to do the Senator thing without all the hoopla.

Re. the reports of McCain hindering the negotiating process; good.  I hope he hinders the heck out of it, even if that's not what he's trying to do. 

Take care. 

 

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#22) On October 08, 2008 at 9:22 PM, murphy8275 (< 20) wrote:

oh macain can fix this poop   HA   oh thats misleading   oh obamama can fix this?  oh thats misleading    oh i can fix this......

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#23) On October 10, 2008 at 4:39 PM, bostoncelitcs (74.23) wrote:

Country first....If he though that were true he would have picked a VP who could lead the country if he were to die during his term as President.

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#24) On October 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM, TheGarcipian (87.25) wrote:

Hello bostoncelitcs, you referring to the Republican Spokesmodel? It's hard to consider her a Veep candidate, for even Dan Quayle (as insipid as he was) was a better choice than Ms. Palin. She's more of a Spokesmodel: cute, quick with a witty joke or remark, speaking in generalities while touting the company's talking points, all fluff & flair, with not much real substance behind those talking points. She certainly looks good, and the guys & gals at Faux News are tripping over their tongues to comment on how good she looks with little veritas on how her experience has ripened her for office of the Prez or VPrez.

For me, I judge a book not by its cover, but by its contents. And when the author of that book has publicly been shown to have lied on numerous occasions before she even gets into office, saying that she was against the Bridge to Nowhere after she'd been for it, that she said No to the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere, and that she sold her plane on EBay, I've gotta point out the hypocrisy. When she publicly notes that her pregnant daughter has a choice to carry the child to full-term, yet she is willing to remove that choice for other women's daughters by government regulation, I've gotta point out the hypocrisy. While she publicly testifies to full faith in abstinence programs and shunning responsible use of condoms or other birth control, we find that her underage daughter is now following in her mother's footsteps. Yes, we find out now that Sarah Palin herself was 6-8 weeks pregnant before she & Todd got married (it was one-line in a CNN story; I can find the link if you're really interested). So, while apparently "abstinence works!", it just doesn't work for Palin or her daughter. Again, I must point out the hypocrisy. Again and again, we find that Sarah Palin enjoys "talking the talk", but the legacy is that she doesn't "walk the walk."

And now this, latest breaking news that shows Palin did abuse her power as Alaska's Governor. Before she was selected for the VP spot, she'd agreed to cooperate fully with the bipartisan investigation. After the VP selection, she not only refused to cooperate, but McCain's campaign operators issued edicts that she, her husband, and a dozen others related to the probe were to ignore the subpoenas requesting their presence to resolve these issues. And they did ignore those.

Is someone who actively skirts the laws of our great land and who defiantly flouts public law really operating in "Country First" mode? Is this someone interested in due process and in justice being served for all? Hardly. But she does fit right into McCain's agenda of "Me First".

How much more humiliation, outright lies and even unnecessary lies are the Republicans going to put up with before they open the trap door below her Fox-noted shapely legs?

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