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July 31, 2008 – Comments (11)

There are a ton of people out there convinced that Vista is a horrible flop, like, say, Tim Beyers, here at the Fool. Having used Vista for months now, I could never understand why folks who don't use it would continue to bash it the way they due, and I was pretty sure this was just an example of common knowledge being pretty unknowledgeable. Between those smarmy Mac/PC ads telling blatant fibs about the intrusiveness of Vista's security features like UAC, and the feedback loop you get from a know-little, knee-jerk media in the states, I figured people were making up their minds having never even seen it.

Turns out, there's a little experiment that supports that notion. Pretty funny stuff.

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#1) On July 31, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Gemini846 (34.47) wrote:

Who's to say thats not MS reverse propaganda? j/k

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#2) On July 31, 2008 at 3:04 PM, agchris02 (< 20) wrote:

Why I hate Windows Vista:

  I made the gross mistake of purchashing it right after it came out.  It is true that the majority of the bugs and issues are fixed, but when it came out I:

1)  Could no longer use my printer because Vista didn't have a driver update

2)  Could no longer play video games because the 2nd video card (gaming card) was not supported by vista

3)  Could no longer use my scanner guessed it, no Vista support

4)  Got over 20 viruses within one week -- two which were nice enough to reformat my computer, for reasons I later learned were due to Vista's network security being incompatible with my virus software

5)  Network issues -- namely that Vista would not remotely connect to windows2000 server (this was the straw that broke the Camel's back).


My understanding is that MOST of these issues have been resolved, but I don't care.  It cost me hundreds of hourse, endless headaches, and countless $$ to deal with.  I eventually threw it away, installed 2000 again, and am still happily opperating.  My next home computer will be LINUX based (as it was in college, but the wife didn't like it so I stepped into the windows world -- oops).  

Much of Vista's bad rap comes from users like me who installed it prior to letting the bugs being worked out.   

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#3) On July 31, 2008 at 3:06 PM, EverydayInvestor (< 20) wrote:

Vista is a pretty good OS. I've been running it a couple months. First, don't run it unless you have 2GB memory. RAM is cheap, so that's not a big deal.

Good things about Vista:

1. Better security / user management than XP
2. better handling of errors. I've had plenty of program crashes and even Windows explorer has crashed, but program crashes don't take down the whole system. Crashed programs are just restarted an you continue on normally.
3. Better networking, syncing with mobile devices.
4. Eye candy of aero is nice but requires a good graphics card.
5. Better driver support / autodetection of drivers than XP. Having built a couple computers myself, this is nice.
6. There are a bunch of minor UI improvements.
7. Sleep mode actually works well and takes just two seconds to wake up. Hibernate works great too.

I am using Vista 64, and the only problem I have had as a result of that is Dragon Naturally Speaking not working and it took me awhile to get my scanner working, due to driver issues.

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#4) On July 31, 2008 at 3:09 PM, EverydayInvestor (< 20) wrote:

Most users should never install a new MSFT operating system on an old computer. There is simply no reason to do so and it can mess things up.

My scanner wasn't supported by Vista either, but that is not a big deal because it is almost 10 years old. Obsolesence happens.

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#5) On July 31, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Schmacko (91.58) wrote:

The only issue I've had with Vista is that my screen saver never kicks on no matter how I adjust the settings.

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#6) On July 31, 2008 at 4:00 PM, FoolishChemist (92.99) wrote:

I'm of the opinion, "If it ain't broke, don't upgrade it."  I'm happy with XP and Office 2003 and until I get a new computer, I'm not doing anything. 

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#7) On July 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM, AnomaLee (28.85) wrote:

Well, when Vista was first launched it was the most unprepared O/S they ever released. Now, I use Vista and I don't find it half bad but I waited over a year and a half for key updates to be released before installing and I still use a dual boot O/S and I run virtual machine to run Linux every blue moon (I dont' know why)


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#8) On July 31, 2008 at 4:32 PM, chk999 (99.96) wrote:

I've been using various Windows boxes since the original IBM PC came out. They've all been a pain in the ear to administer. (I'm a senior software engineer with over 28 years of professional experience, so this is not a completely ignorant opinion.)

I got my daughter a Mac-mini and it has been a breeze to use and administer.

Next new home computer will be a Mac.

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#9) On July 31, 2008 at 8:03 PM, DemonDoug (30.95) wrote:


In my experience the Vista OS itself is just fine.

The problem is it is incompatible with so many things it loses a lot of it's advantage.  And it can be stupid things, for example with my new panasonic digital camcorder, there was no support from panasonic or MS for the USB cable.  Now it has firewire and that's a better way to transfer things, but not every computer has firewire on it.

Read some reviews for adobe premiere elements 4.0 on vista and then get back to me.  So many examples like this.

XP was MS's first real, honest-to-god successful OS - and then they go and release Vista with all it's incompatibilities.  Blah.

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#10) On August 01, 2008 at 3:16 PM, dpid (86.63) wrote:

I have to use Vista at work.  Its a new laptop (D830 from Dell) and Vista isn't smooth.  At 2GB of ram, Vista is using 67% of the RAM's resouces (with only firefox, outlook and excel running).

I still can't believe that I have to see a message window telling me that Vista is trashing a txt file (which you would think should be instant, but Vista found a way to make the process slow. 

The computer takes 5 minutes to boot up and 10 minutes to shut down.

For work, I wouldn't recommend it as it doesn't make anyone more productive.  I lost so much time just trying to figure where everything was in Office 2007.  My favorite... insert rows and columns is in "Home" tab but not "Insert" tab.

I bought a Macbook for home use.  It loads and shuts down within a minute and is much faster to use (at 1gb ram)

The only thing Vista is better than its previous versions, is that drivers are easily recognized (similar to mac)

I would think everyone should try Vista, but that's too much to ask for.  Stick with Windows XP.

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#11) On August 01, 2008 at 9:05 PM, FleaBagger (27.55) wrote:

I've heard that eventually everything won't work on XP. Well, until then, I'll use XP. I bought my $500 Dell laptop when Vista had just come out, and I got the smallest, slowest one they had; I knew that it would drag on for days if it tried to run something like Vista, so I specifically asked them to downgrade it to XP for no reduction in price. And I'm happy with it. I just run Word and Excel for my novels and board game projects. No biggie.

Meanwhile, it looks like a lot of things that are compatible with XP aren't compatible with Vista yet. Maybe everyone should wait until everyone else has Vista, and then get it.

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