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Exploding a Myth About Netflix

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October 30, 2011 – Comments (18) | RELATED TICKERS: NFLX

Hey Fools,

I have Netflix on the brain because I currently do not own any individual stocks, am famiiar with the company and am very tempted to get back in on the gruesome price drop. I have been reading articles from many bulls and bears and am trying to walk through the most basic logic of each first. 

Onto business. You ever notice how rich people are the cheapest bastardos in the world? No joke, one of my wealthy relatives once tried to get a refrigerator salesman to remove the light from the freezer so he could pay less for it, suggesting he could use a flashlight if he wanted a snack at night. Same guy brought a car salesman to tears after he demanded, at the end of the negotiation, they remove the floor mats because he could buy them cheaper at Wal-Mart.

The point being Netflix's recent price drop explains, finally, and once and for all, that distributing content via a subscription model is a miserable, low-margin business. It's a business the disrtibutor has little control over as the studios can demand exorbitant prices. So, yeah, though Apple, Google, Amazon, Wal-Mart and the revived Blockbuster have lots of cash, some of them ridiculous amounts of cash, I have been stunned to see them refuse to go all-out and take on Netflix head on. But it's clear now, after this price drop, that the reason they have not done so is because they do not like to waste money. That's why they have so much money in the first place. They look at this space and see two things- 1) it's hard to make money 2) there's all ready a well-established - and I still think beloved - brand in place. 

The idea that Netflix has direct competition is a myth. They don't. 

The only viable bear argument is one Michael Pachter has been making forever, which is the same one being made (brutally so) by Seeking Alpha contributor Rocco Pendola - that the Netflix model is inherently broken. They believe costs related to marketing, expansion and most of all content acquisition will overwhelm revenues and make the company inherently unstainable.

Regardless of recent missteps no bears to my knowledge really believe Reed Hastings is incompetent. Pendola relentlessly assails Hastings for what he considers lack of transparency, and pretty much accuses the company of conducting unethical accounting practices. But no one doubts Hastings' skill as a businessperson. For a decade his execution was flawless - acquiring content cheaply to get lift-off, getting on every concievable device - most notably on the iPad at launch, and sticking to his story - killer value, in all marketing from day one. 

As a real-life individual investor who does not have the time to fully investigate stocks, I have no choice but to do what I reserach I can, lean on intiution and make the best call I can, if I make one at all. Which I probably won't as I'm starting to rank stock prediction up their with reading entrails of animals in the high bush. 

But any thesis in Netflix comes down to one essential question and one only: Is distributing films and TV shows, via subscription model, a viable business? If it is, Netflix is a great investment. And one can easily see them getting to 35M subs and beyond in a global market place. it also seems entirely possible to me they do some sort of Facebook integration and find new ways of generating revenues. 

If it is not they, obviously, will not exist down the road. But they will NOT be killed by direct competition. No chance. Bears cannot have it both ways. They can't argue that competition will kill Netflix, because why would any established player come hard into a space that a) sucks and b) has someone all ready at war for survival in the space with a 100% pure focus on that space? (another thing Reed still deserves massive credit for.)

So, I hope that Foolish analysts and other bloggers will focus sharply on the most important issue: is the business model sustainable? If it is, this is an easy double from here. If it is not, individual investors could lose the whole enchillada.Hard to see any middle ground on this one.

A Forbes article on the ultimate Wall Street Wiseman, Whitney Tilson going long Netflix here. (note the part about Tilson having a SMALL position and hoping to add shares cheaper.)

A brutal bear case - Rocco Pendola interviews uber-Netflix bear, Len Brackman here.

Fool On,

El Milagro

PS - Man, watching Whitney Tilson discuss stocks really makes me long for the days when the essence of Fooldom was to mock the arrogance of the wise men of wall street.  He lays out his arguments  - "We think Netflix will add X number of subsribers at Y rate as Z happens" as if he just got off the phone with God himself and has just been awarded stone tablets of absolute truth. He is obviously exceptionally inteliligent, but every time I hear him speak I long to see the guy who made a fortune selling plastics in "It's a Wonderful Life" rush up to him, flick his hands off his donkey ears and shout, "Hee haw!" Still my gut is with him now.

18 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On October 30, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Teacherman1 (49.11) wrote:

I don't own Netflix, never have, and probably never will, since I am basically a "penny stock" investor, but with all of the recent posts about them, I noticed something last night that I would probably never have noticed before.

They have started to run ads on my local cable network that makes it appear as if they are a brand new service that has just become available, and "touting" the price of "only" $8 per month.

The ads were interesting enough to catch my attention, which is not an easy thing to do for TV ads in general.

I personally thought they were way ahead of themselves " share" price wise, even for a "growth" company.

I think they are now much more reasonably priced, with upside potential, but I think the "glory days" of $300+ per share are gone forever.

JMO and worth exactly what I am charging for it.

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#2) On October 30, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Frankydontfailme (27.42) wrote:

-But any thesis in Netflix comes down to one essential question and one only: Is distributing films and TV shows, via subscription model, a viable business? If it is, Netflix is a great investment. And one can easily see them getting to 35M subs and beyond in a global market place. it also seems entirely possible to me they do some sort of Facebook integration and find new ways of generating revenues-

I wonder about the time frame. Netflix has no competition now, but may very well in the future as Amzn, Apple, and Google move deeper into the cloud. They wouldn't necessarily have to force unique subscription fees if it was part of a bundle (iPhone, internet and iFlix.)

For now though, Nflx is on a lonely island.

 The other time frame issue is about the stock, not the business. The business may survive, but is the stock still overpriced? I think so. If you take a several year time frame, I'd be shocked if the Market is not much lower in 2014 then it is today. How would Nflx stock hold up in the next crash? Would they have added enough subscribers and improved the business model by then?

Then again, I'm one of those "doom and gloomers" who understands how a worldwide  multi-trillion dollar de-leveraging cycle will negatively affect REAL asset values. 

Curious what you think about future competition from the big three. Frankly I'd think owning Amzn, Goog, Aapl and even some Nflx would be a great way to play the future -when the price gets lower - 2014ish :) 

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#3) On October 30, 2011 at 12:17 PM, solaris4 (45.32) wrote:

Netflix may not be your best pick, but i would guess from looking at the charts that NFLX will gap up monday and begin to trigger buy signals.

Buy a Nov call  @ 120-130 for 10-20$. When it hits 150 you'll be glad you did.

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#4) On October 30, 2011 at 12:17 PM, DJoshuaRubin (98.03) wrote:

T-Man1 - I saw that ad too and really thought it was terrific. Lean, mean, clean, simple and utterly ignores recent nonsense. Reed's messaging has always been very consistent. And this is a strength he never gets credit for. Your opinion is a great value. :>

FDFM - If I invested in individual stocks I would only do what I call Monsters of Greatness. I could sleep fine knowing a large majority of my $ was in in AMZN, GOOG, APPL, and I'd be fine with MSFT in there, and someday, Facebook. It also seems to me that the big media monsters will end up relatively fine if not better as tech revolution shakes out. CBS, DIS, TW, VIA and NEWS will probably wind up with even more ways to sell their content and will probably pull enough dirty moves to tier-up the net and make sure their stuff flows through faster and more prominently.

Bottom line to me is it is unthinkable that APPL, AMZN, GOOG are not still major players 10 years from now. 

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#5) On October 30, 2011 at 12:37 PM, GyroDynasty (99.19) wrote:

Netflix will "be killed by direct competition" from the individual studios that produce the films.  Why give the content to Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Google, HBO, Starz, Showtime, et al. when you can set it up yourself and get to keep all the profits? 

The business model is not sustainable in the long-term, but it will be years before the studios gather the fortitude to break free from the middlemen. 

The only solution for Netflix is to acquire significant stakes in the studios that produce the films.  For now they should invest in streaming content, but their goal is to buy (or create) the entire studio bit by bit. 

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#6) On October 30, 2011 at 12:45 PM, DJoshuaRubin (98.03) wrote:

Gyro - You ask "Why give the content to NFLX..."

"Give"? I can think of tens of million$ of reasons. If you're Time Warner, can't you make your own stuff to sell directly AND work with Netflix who all ready has a loyal following of tens of millions of mostly happy customers? 

The whole thing is really interesting. Netflix seems to be trying to create a hybrid HBO-on-steroids kind of media company, loads of films, TV shows, mostly old and some original current programming. 

I don't think the studios lack fortitude, they just have to deal with reality. And reality is Netflix built up an army of happy customers and the ability to write checks for tens of millions. Essentially big media is very incestuous and they are almost one gigantic mega company. For example, studios often produce content that winds up on other networks. Warner Brothers and NBC both made huge amounts of money off "Friends."  Amazon hosts Netflix in their cloud. Ultimately, again, it seems to me if they find it useful to have a way to distribute films/tv shows through Netflix, it may be in their interests. It's hard to imagine easier money than to simply give Netflix the rights to stream your stuff and receive big checks for doing virtually nothing. No buildings to build, no unions to deal with, no marketing to do, nothing. 

 

 

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#7) On October 30, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Option1307 (30.55) wrote:

Good thoughts per usual, +1.

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#8) On October 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, walt373 (99.85) wrote:

I think Netflix is toast. They have greatly limited their options by continually signing more and more expensive content deals. This means costs are locked in and set to continue growing. They now only have one path to profitability (I say this because they already forcasted being unprofitable in 2012) - grow revenues, and faster than costs. Raising prices is out of the question at this point. It will all depend on how many users they can attract. I don't think the level of growth they need is likely to happen, not with the badwill they have generated and the loss of Starz content early next year, and they are probably close to saturation in the US.

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#9) On October 30, 2011 at 7:49 PM, TDRH (99.85) wrote:

The main quesiton I have is will the content creators need Netflix to bring their product to market?   What are the barriers to direct distribution to market that protect Netflix.   What barriers are in place for other other knockoffs providing the same service? 

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#10) On October 30, 2011 at 8:09 PM, WallstreetKnight (31.49) wrote:

I think this can be addressed as something steve jobs said regarding dropbox - "it's a feature, not a product."

What happens when one of netflix's "not so direct competitor(s)" decides to do what netflix does as part of a cohesive strategy to differentiate a product offering?  I hate to speculate, but what if netflix's business isn't what AAPL is vying for, but something they offer to distinguish their "Apple TV?"

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#11) On October 30, 2011 at 8:14 PM, WallstreetKnight (31.49) wrote:

^ so netflix can be killed by compeition, due to my above reason.

Also, they could be killed by indirect competition anyways, especially if the core economics of their business is frail...

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#12) On October 30, 2011 at 8:38 PM, TMFMileHigh (72.87) wrote:

Can I give an extra +1 for this phrasing? "He is obviously exceptionally inteliligent, but every time I hear him speak I long to see the guy who made a fortune selling plastics in "It's a Wonderful Life" rush up to him, flick his hands off his donkey ears and shout, "Hee haw!" Still my gut is with him now." Love. That. And by the way, the character's name is Sam Wainwright. Please don't ask how I know that. Someday we'll get a chance to swap beer and stories live, my friend. Be well, 
Tim (TMFMileHigh and @milehighfool on Twitter)

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#13) On October 31, 2011 at 12:04 AM, MegaShort (99.95) wrote:

"If it is not they, obviously, will not exist down the road. But they will NOT be killed by direct competition. No chance. Bears cannot have it both ways. They can't argue that competition will kill Netflix, because why would any established player come hard into a space that a) sucks and b) has someone all ready at war for survival in the space with a 100% pure focus on that space?"

I think you're setting up a strawman about the bears.  Here's my take.

All bears think the valuation is excessive.

Some bears think the business model sucks.

Other bears think the business model is good, but they will encounter more streaming competition from Amazon, Hulu, Google, Apple, Comcast, DirecTV, etc.

 

"Is distributing films and TV shows, via subscription model, a viable business? If it is, Netflix is a great investment."

Wrong.  Viability, or even being a great business, is never sufficient to make a great investment.  GLW was a great business at $90 a share in 2000 (now $15.)  How about MSFT at $60, CSCO at $70, T at $55, KO at $85, etc.

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#14) On October 31, 2011 at 12:30 AM, MegaShort (99.95) wrote:

On the positive side, I think it's pretty obvious that consumers want a single interface for streaming movies and TV.  So at least there will continue to be a need for Netflix-type streaming services. 

But I'm in the second camp of bears.  In the next 10 years, I believe Android will become the dominant OS for TVs, set top boxes, cell phones you can use as TV remotes, and many other household devices.  Google/Youtube, Amazon, Hulu or others will use the Android platform to take market share from Netflix.

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#15) On October 31, 2011 at 9:11 AM, DJoshuaRubin (98.03) wrote:

Walt - you may be right, but I think the badwill really is overrated, and the fact remains, the value is still there. My family feels it is worth it to watch ONE show (currently 30 Rock) and I still haven't started MadMen. Reed gets that he ****ed up. There is no way anyone can claim, as some monster bears do, that the brand is "hopelessly dead" or the like.

JAMES HILL! The barriers to entry are GIGANTIC - the studios charge extortionary money for their content.The cost of getting working apps on all products while building libraries of content and then doing it so well you beat an all ready established player in a lousy space. If the barriers were not high, the other players would have stormed the castle by now.

Knight - agree indirect competition can be painful, but don't feel people who like a subscription all-you-can-eat buffet will suddenly enjoy paying $3.99 PER single movie. Do not think other players want to go toe-to-toe in this space. 

TIM! Hahahahahahaha. Sam Wainwright. He was a great character, both a cheating brute and great loyal guy at the same time. HEE HAW! Definitely in my top 25 films of all time. When this Jew married an Italian Catholic the monthlong X-mas celebrations took getting used to. But for 21 years I've been watching that film every X-Mas eve and love it more every time. 

MegaShort - I don't think it's a strawman. I think there are two bear arguments. One that the business model is unstainable. One that competition will kill them. And sure there are combos of both. I stand by my take that they do not have direct competition. I also stand by this statement - Lou Reed's song, Strawman, kicks ****ing arse. "Does anybody need another million dollar movie?! Does anybody need a $60,000 car!?" 


 

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#16) On October 31, 2011 at 9:51 AM, rofgile (98.98) wrote:

Its all about competition.   You might say there is no one company that can ship all those DVDs and stream all those shows to you.

Ok.  But there are MANY small companies that can stream MANY of the various programs to me.  Those include: HULU, Amazon, Apple, and Google (Youtube).  And PBS ( free ).

Guess what, I quit my Netflix subscription a long time ago, because I am pretty happy with streaming things from these other places (mostly PBS and HULU, though occasionally Amazon).

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 If you lose business, because someone(s) else can also be providing part of your business - you have competition.

 -Rof 

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#17) On October 31, 2011 at 12:20 PM, DJoshuaRubin (98.03) wrote:

ROF - wrong. It is not ALL about competition. It's about whether or not the model is sustainable. Apple, Google, Amazon offerings are not close in value to Netflix. Hulu is only real direct competition. Many easy easily justify keeping NFLX and still watch a movie here and there from the other players. I'm sure there are many people like you who think $8 a month is too much for what you believe is a lousy selection on Netflix. But there are still 20+ million who think it's a great value and I think there could easily be another 30M worldwide eventually who agree.

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#18) On October 31, 2011 at 5:06 PM, walt373 (99.85) wrote:

One of the most common arguments for Netflix bulls is that it is still the best value around for customers. I think that argument misses the point completely. Netflix is undoubtedly the best value -  by far. That's the problem! They are such a good value for customers that they will not be able to turn a profit.

If I run a business that sells widgets under cost, my business will be the best value as well. But no matter how many customers I have, I will still never turn a profit. In order to do that, I'm going to have to change my pricing structure. And when that happens, I will lose customers.

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