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Get MAD!!!! Bring this Featured Blog Back...Let's Vote!!!!!!!!



March 10, 2009 – Comments (45)

As I was glancing through the Blogs this evening I saw this very interesting FEATURED one that had over 150 comments...and shockingly I couldn't access it from the link.  I was shocked and distressed that I couldn't access a FEATURED blog.

Since we are the best investing community on the WEB, I think we should have a vote to see whether this post violates the Fool's Rules....what is your vote? 

Let me be the first....I vote bring it back in the name of Free Speech and Free Market Capitalism and one of my favorite Fools Abitare....Let the market decide whether it wants to buy the product....Stop Socialism Right Now......nothing filters nonsense like a Free Market Economy!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a democracy in Fooldom??????  We know things are BAD!!!!!  Worse than BAD!!!!!!  Obama's people are socializing EVERYTHING.  People, stand up because and get MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Say you are a human being and your life has value!!!!!  Please get up and vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Tell the world how mad you are as our nation heads towards Authoritarian Socialism.  Say you are not going to take this anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GoodVibe – One Guy Multiple Accounts. Talking to Himself AKA a Spammer/Shill.March 05, 2009 by abitare (99.69)



Not a 100% certain, about 80% certain. I spent some time on Yahoo message boards before coming to Fool, so I am aware of this game/scam. A guy will talk to himself via multiple accounts to keep himself visible and pretend he is an expert by asking himself questions. I am not sure what he is spamming or trying to pump, but I guess it might be the Dry bulk shipping scam stocks or a like. Outside of his horrific advice, ridiculous stock choices, or laughably dumb lines on a chart “magic”, which ... More

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PS...I would have shown Twisted Sister but I thought Newman was more timely.  I guess I will have to wait for another blog.....

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#1) On March 10, 2009 at 6:49 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

Abitare got 50 Recommendations for this Blog.....  Think of all the Alstry bashing blogs that conveyed themes much worse than this one.......

Doesn't Abitare deserve his 50 Recommendations......heck, it would likely take me 20 to 30 blogs just to get 50 Recommendations.

Please, get up out of your chairs right now and go to your windows and stick your head out.....We are not goint to take this anymore.......

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#2) On March 10, 2009 at 6:57 PM, kdakota630 (28.92) wrote:

I thought Newman was more timely.

I think you mean Peter Finch.

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#3) On March 10, 2009 at 7:00 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

Sorry, you are right.......I was going to use a scene from CARS but switch to this one.....thanks for the clarification.....but what is your vote????

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#4) On March 10, 2009 at 7:17 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


From tonight's WSJ:

The number of U.S. job openings sank below three million in January, the Labor Department said Tuesday.

Job openings were at the lowest level since the government began publishing these data in late 2000, and a key reason why the U.S. unemployment rate -- now 8.1% -- has risen so sharply during this recession: New work is hard to find. Job openings were particularly weak in construction, as well as in leisure and hospitality; data are seasonally adjusted. By comparison, job openings averaged more than 4 million per month from 2005 through 2007.But layoffs continued to climb, hitting nearly 2.5 million in January, the most on record. And a gauge of workers' confidence – the number of people who have quit their jobs -- fell to a new low of two million.

The pace of hiring activity was more encouraging, which at a level of about 4.4 million hires in January was above November's 4.2 million low.

Jobs being cut all over the place and few job openings....not a very good combination and makes those "esteemed and noted" economic projections of unemployment capping out at 9% seem a bit ridiculous don't you think?????

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#5) On March 10, 2009 at 7:17 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (< 20) wrote:

Although every single word he said didn’t have a shred of truth and he was disrespectful to his fellow Fools (which is against Fool's guidelines) because of their score, my vote to bring the post back is here with you (even if everyone know that you share his misguided sentiment towards me).

Two wrongs don’t make anything right. I recommended his blog not because I liked it but because I wanted it to stay there as a testament to his folly. I also took the time to comment twice shredding all his rants to pieces and I want my comments back for people to see what I said. We must let people judge the quality of people from their words and deeds not from an authority. Hopefully one day, the natural selection will weed out the unhealthy and keep the strong. Let freedom ring.


PS. Rec. 3 is mine (1 and 2 is yours I think) and I will suggest to all of my other identities :) to come and join if the message rings true to their hearts.

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#6) On March 10, 2009 at 7:21 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

Only Rec 1 is mine....otherwise I wouldn't have many recs at all.....we can't all be GoodVibe.

Alstrynomics is only about being the BEST investor one can be and helping other score more points:)

We are a community and in that light.....the best on the NET!!!!!

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#7) On March 10, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Quellist (< 20) wrote:

I'm for anything that brings up the signal to noise ratio, to much space is wasted discussing other Fools and some of the most paranoid posters need to get back on their meds.

I would vote if I thought TMF-caps should be run by vote, but I don't. And Alstry, you for one should be happy that it isn't...

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#8) On March 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Varchild2008 (84.31) wrote:

People who used to bash ya now REC ya practically every day.
Uhm... yea... talking about myself... March/April/May of last year I didn't like anything you were talking about regarding housing and SPF and "end of the world" and so on.

Now I see the light I guess.  Maybe Arbitare will see the light? then all 50 recs will be PRO Alstry recs.

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#9) On March 10, 2009 at 7:28 PM, whereaminow (< 20) wrote:

Sorry Alstry, but I believe private property rights trumps democracy, or at least it should, as I explained in my latest blog. 

Side note: I wholeheatedly support yours and Abitare's effort to discredit TA :)

David in Qatar

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#10) On March 10, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Varchild2008 (84.31) wrote:

Typo.. I meant GoodVibe. not Abitare.... Got my signals crossed.

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#11) On March 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM, anchak (99.90) wrote:

Alstry.... You ARE A GREAT PLAYER!


72 Picks closed between 3/6/2009- 3/9/2009.

Total picks: 309

% of picks closed in the last week:  appx 24% ( This is the highest %age ever)

CLAPS! CLAPS! - looks like between all spectral decomposition ( incidentally, that is a valid scientific endeavor) and other esoteric stuff.....

ALSTRY went ahead and heeded the call to a large extent from the gentleman being heckled over here.

Now of course - even abit recognized the market was oversold - and this is a perfectly defensible action to take - both in real life and in CAPS.

So I guess you also agree that we are possibly due for this correction ( and maybe a little more - since all the closed picks have not been repicked) - and we hit rock bottom from there.

Somewhere , somebody told me "Actions speak larger than words"


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#12) On March 10, 2009 at 7:35 PM, columbia1 wrote:

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#13) On March 10, 2009 at 7:49 PM, kdakota630 (28.92) wrote:


LOL!  I love your biased poll question.  I still voted "yes".

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#14) On March 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (< 20) wrote:

While we are at it ...

What if Abitare was wrong and I have no more than my one account - GoodVibe4Ever?** Shouldn't I ask for the same time and space from him to come and apologize publicly not only to me for I don't care or wait for such an apology but also for those who he offended? Don't you think that freedom also require responsibility, Al? Or it's pick and choose?


** My girlfriend also has another account but never commented. No one else who recommends my blogs or comment on them, I have any relation with or know them personally. None! Caps must come forward and state that fact from people's IP addresses so people can get their fair share of freedom and responsibility. I think you should ask Caps first to validate this and when they know that he was falsifying his claims to try to discredit another Fool out of whatever reason, then instead of bringing his post back, he should post a blog to apologize. What do you say about that?

I didn't start this. You did. I like it because it's experiment in real democracy.

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#15) On March 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

The beautiful thing about the Constituion and America is that we are not a pure democracy but rather a Republic set up to protect free speech and rights of the WEAK......because often the Majority are wrong.....and the weak are not strong enough to protect themselves.

What we are voting for is a basic speech and the continued socratic intercourse among our community to achieve the BEST and WINNING results so long as it doesn't degenerate into hateful speech setting the foundation for improper behavior agaist those unable to defend themselves..

Some of the greatest concepts have arisen out of the skepticism of the masses..........just look at Alstrynomics for a community example.

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#16) On March 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (< 20) wrote:

Columbia - Nice one! I want you to get one too to vote if he should apologize if he was spreading false rumors. I voted yes for bringing his post back. Thanks!


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#17) On March 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


No one is discrediting you....especially me.  In the end your score will earn my respect if you ever achieve success in the long term.

As far as Abitare.....he has made a claim.....let the market decide whether true or not.....any IT specialist could ghost IP addresses all day long so Fool would not be able to track it.

If you think your GoodVibe style is more successful then Alstrynomics.....the most successful up and coming school of thought in the universe......outcore me....

If you are half as good as your recommendations, you should be kicking my backside with points....Alstry is only about being Positive.....Postively Scoring points that is......I will leave the recommendationis to you.

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#18) On March 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, coralbro (92.05) wrote:

Maybe it didn't violate the fool's guidelines...

"The message you're trying to access has been removed. The most likely reason for this is that the message violated our Fool's Rules about appropriate content. Either that or it was eaten by a monkey on a goat on a tightrope. "

must have been eaten... Oh well, nothing we can do about it now.  But you can have my vote too, if it makes you feel better.

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#19) On March 10, 2009 at 8:11 PM, kdakota630 (28.92) wrote:


Your comment about The Constitution and form of government reminded me of something I saw a while back that I thought you might enjoy.

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#20) On March 10, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Harold71 (20.07) wrote:

I like the Fool for the most part.  But this creeping censorship is starting to bother me too.

I expect the general socialist attitude to get much worse before a new era of freedom is unleashed by humanity.

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#21) On March 10, 2009 at 8:16 PM, kamuirei (< 20) wrote:

The point of CAPS is to learn from eachother.

Yes the economy is bad, yes people are getting agitated, but please quit filling up the Fool homepage with rants and spam.  Frankly, the majority doesn't give a fuck and is tired of hearing about it.  You are not helping anyone but your own egos.  For example:

 "I didn't start this. You did." - My 4th grade students can make better arguments.

Btw, we had a lesson today about *teacher voice* learning to let arguments drop *off* because a few of the students had been bickering for several weeks and since neither would back down, drawing others needlessly into their conflict.

This is not an "experiment in real democracy" - this is a pissing contest.  You each want to prove eachother wrong and the one that gets the most support is somehow "right".

*back to teacher voice*

This is counterproductive and needs to end.

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#22) On March 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


The best way to learn from each other is give GOOD advice......

I challenge you to find better advice anywhere in the Universe than the advice Alstrynomics has given you over the past year.

Based on your score, you may want to start listening more and teaching less.

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#23) On March 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, murugan2 (22.44) wrote:


You got my rec.  And I feel even more confident in my real life picks because reading between the lines you are in agreement with GV.  

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#24) On March 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (< 20) wrote:

As far as Abitare.....he has made a claim.....let the market decide whether true or not.....any IT specialist could ghost IP addresses all day long so Fool would not be able to track it.

People have lives, Al. They don't spend all day looking at the mirror!

If you think your GoodVibe style is more successful then Alstrynomics.....the most successful up and coming school of thought in the universe......outcore me....

If you are half as good as your recommendations, you should be kicking my backside with points....Alstry is only about being Positive.....Postively Scoring points that is......I will leave the recommendationis to you.

I didn't ask to compete with you or anyone else! YOU are the one who is dying for such a thing but you will not get it. Those who compete on Caps' rank and score and think of it as a proper way to prove their trading success are plain misguided.

They gave us points to outperform S&P that is 50% DOWN! That's a joke! 

So if you're long stock that is 40% down, they gave you 10% while when you short a stock and it goes 40% down, then they take 10% from you! What's that? It's a GAME! Goodness! Take it easy! Try to stick to helping people as you're not shy of putting it in their face relentlessly.

Also, you better have as many picks as those whom you like to imagine competing against. To be honest I wouldn't think that you outmatched them unless you have as many picks them not the other way around. Everybody know this. Higher number of picks means your ability to be right more than wrong and more than the rest. This is just for the game, if you really like to play. And promise not read my blogs. :)

Please, everybody, don't trust anyone's score even mine! Don't follow anyone (including me) because they are number one or 50000. Trust someone's blogs if they come to be true and discredit them if they come to be wrong or add no value to your thinking. It's that simple.


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#25) On March 10, 2009 at 8:40 PM, TMFJake (93.83) wrote:

Puleeze people, get back to investing.  FWIW, a post is typically removed if we receive a number of complaints, and if the CAPS admin feels those complaints have merit. Either that or the monkey or goat get hungry on the tightrope.   Occasionaly that happens as colalbro correctly points out.

We'll assign someone to look into this just as soon as we finish up the investigation on the anonymous tip that Alstry created GoodVibe.   

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#26) On March 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

GoodVibe...Alstry is SHORT and outscoring the market......that is no JOKE in real life returns in addition to CAPs returns. 

I really don't care if you or competing with me or not...that is not my concern....Alstrynomics is simply about being the best school of thought in the Universe.  Whether you are game for competing against it is up to you......but why would someone beg for recommendations if he didn't think he was competent???

Why are you afraid to use score as a bench mark?????  I myself think it is much better than recommendations.  I am here to help people become better investors and potentially make better returns.....I quite frankly am not sure why you are here or what you are trying to accomplish.

I do not ask for recommendations nor do I tell anyone don't trust anyone's score....I find CAPs and Motely Fool very credible in its scoring and very honorable people in general.

As far as abitare position on multiple bloggers, you must admit that there are a bunch of bloggers that ALL started blogging in November and ALL mirror a bunch of similar symbols.  Whether you are one of those is not my concern nor do I really care.....but you have to admit Mary, Dare, TSIF and many others ALL have a remarkably similar portfolio.

In the end, Alstrynomics core mission is the same as CAPs, investors helping investors SCORE more points than they otherwise would.......

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#27) On March 10, 2009 at 8:58 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


I just really liked the Network video and thought it was timely to current events......

Since I don't ask for recommendations, I thought this would be an easy way to pimp myself and use the Network video at the same time......

We all know how one of the TMF bloggers was razing Alstry just a couple months ago  about how few recs per post he was getting.....just trying to up the average.

You have to admit....the Network video was pretty good.

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#28) On March 10, 2009 at 9:06 PM, TMFJake (93.83) wrote:

Next time use the network video in conjunction with an anti-Cramer blog that ends with All Glory To the HynoToad.  That's how you get recs my friend. ;)

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#29) On March 10, 2009 at 9:19 PM, devoish (67.86) wrote:

We'll assign someone to look into this just as soon as we finish up the investigation on the anonymous tip that Alstry created GoodVibe.

This whole thread was worth that laugh!


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#30) On March 10, 2009 at 9:22 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

It is rare that I get recommendation envy........but once in a while I have to scratch an itch and if I can yell "food fight" and have a bit of fun....all the better.

I prefer playing the game in the field and letting the play and score do my talking.......

I find it funny when a player says don't look at score to judge success......especially consistency and over the long term....

Sorta like saying don't look at Buffet's returns over the past 30 years to judge the quality if his advice, only if he makes you smile??????..........we do live in strange times as this socialism disease seems to be taking hold.

Anyone up for a Toga Party????

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#31) On March 10, 2009 at 9:31 PM, GoodVibe4Ever (< 20) wrote:

Kamuirei wrote:

"You each want to prove each other wrong and the one that gets the most support is somehow "right"."

I never mentioned a single Fool including Al or even implied once to anyone as Al does to my work here in Caps. Not even once in any shape or form since I came here. Even for those who deserve it. It's not my cup of tea. And I am not into arguments if you are expecting to listen to one from me.

If Al or someone else wants to really help people, they must stick with real and actionable trades and guidence that can be executed by others and don't venture into wasting our time, energy, and Recs. into reading the kind of malicious and frivolous blogs they enjoy posting as their own signature. 

In Al's terms.. put up or shut up! In my terms .. Be happy, do good, and the rest will be taken care of.

If they keep at it, I know that time will take care of it. I posted here in this post because I am strong supporter of freedom of expression with responsibility. You can't go around spreading fear and false rumors without being responsible for it. They must own it by keeping it there not censor it. Including Abitare's last blog, which has the similar rant with no justification that one day will stay there as evidence to his folly instead of a sign of being smart as he's looking for.

And Al's comment #26 is a prove why I never comment or read more than the headlineof his blogs. Al, you have a lot of time and stamina for wasteful debate and arguments in your hand. Way too much time. People have more valuable things to do than competing in a "paper trade game" that at times reward even losers and punish winners. And that doesn't discredit Caps, TMF, or the many great bloggers and active players who come here to help others. They are doing great service to those who are asking for help trying to navigate these rough waters. I hope I'll be a small part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

Enjoy talking to yourself, about yourself, and for yourself and might help you god. I am done here. I have work to do! What a waste of precious time.

As I said before the gods have their own funny ways of setting up the scene to make sure that those who don't humble themselves get humbled by the truth. Let freedom rings and time tell.

                                Time will tell!

Here's my goodbye, king of the jungles




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#32) On March 10, 2009 at 9:38 PM, PDTBiotech (87.54) wrote:

LOL @ this post.  Alright, I always rec subversiveness, regardless of the author.  One thing, though, be consistent.  If you want that post back, you need to check your own stuff:

"Never once did I ever criticize anyone with a lessor score than mine and most of my challenges were generally smack type talk except for once which we don't need to rehash as that blog was summarily removed........"

As a lawyer I'm sure you understand the importance of consistency from those who decide what you can and can't do - you bring one back you gotta bring them all back.

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#33) On March 10, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alex1963 (27.69) wrote:


You simply must stop claiming you are here to help people and not to engage or insult. Plenty of know otherwise and a past reply of yours causing a whole post to be taken down for simply horrific behavior on your part would clear this up for anyone out there who still might believe you "mean well". Plenty of others showing your sharp & often vicious tongue for a some who disagree with you, speaks to your "indifference" to critique. I have no patience for you or him when you constantly push at the boundaries of community manners and good will and then howl at the injustice when you get muted or criticized for even a moment. 

No recs from me of course. 

By the way I complained to Caps about that Abitare post even as I couldn't help responding to it. If I helped take it down I'm pleased. It's not about free speech since as members we "freely" agree to abide by the rules here. Obscure the issue with your flag waving but the point is civility as it is on every reputable web site I've ever been on. 

Your scores and ratings on caps are indisputable for that I applaud you both. But I wouldn't want to be stuck in an elevator with either of you. 


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#34) On March 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

Not that wasn't a very postive blog seem to be tilting a bit.......especially for someone talks up such a postive game.

Me on the other hand, you get what you see and no BS here....just some of the best damn information adn advice anywhere and exlusively available to only CAPs players.  Nobody ever forced you to come over don't see me crying in your backyard do you?????

Alstry does his talking on the field.....remember you are a guest in Alstry's house........and Alstry welcomes all and you know what you get when you come here.

Think of Alstry as the Charles Barkley of CAPs.  Sometimes drinks a bit too much and says things that he might later regret....but under the boards.....there is nobody who bangs like Alstry.

I Dare you to find a single post where I have dissed you in a similar manner that you just did to me, even if you say a hail Mary, or call TSIF, I highly doubt you will find anything with similar BADvibes.

I know playing against someone with the skill of Alstry can be stressful, but so can investing your own money.  Controlling your emotions is key for a successful trader, if you can't handle trading with Alstry, you can't handle trading the market.

You see, I teach by real world example and interactive I see it, you need to work on emotional control.  In this environment, we are in a simulator, when you deploy your own cash.....real capital is at stake.

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#35) On March 10, 2009 at 9:57 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


How do you explain so many players all starting CAPs around the same time, blogging heavily, and making remarkably similar picks????

Coincidence would be a good start....but I will run the numbers by a friend of mine who is a certified actuary and get back to you with the results.

As an aside, in trading, investing, and simply living life, effectively dealing with disagreeable people is just part of the game if you intend to have attain any success.  You think traders on the other side of your position are nice and respectful??

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#36) On March 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


I got my 25 recs....I am done....

but don't hesitate to stop giving me recommendations on this blog....especially if you have multiple identies.

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#37) On March 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM, bubabar (< 20) wrote:

This why i left the yahoo message boards. Anyone know of another site where civility and decency is still  held in high regard?

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#38) On March 10, 2009 at 10:19 PM, PDTBiotech (87.54) wrote:

I forgot to mention they should also bring back the original "from behind" version of your title from a few blogs back.  Again, not all of your classiest stuff has been sanitized.

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#39) On March 10, 2009 at 11:01 PM, TSIF (99.98) wrote:

Hmmm, some enlightenment here in this blog....

I see my name came up twice from alstry, or is alstry really abitare.  Both are very similar:  conceited, jealous, and looking for admiration...hard to tell which is which.  

 I suppose my name came up because I’m a nobody, like GV was, yet I got 50 Recs on a post today.  No one gets that many recs – look out for the Zombies!  Even the best have to work for years to get that many recs!    My how Alstry/Abitare seem upset over anyone else getting some friendly respones/replies from the fools here.   Sometimes it isn’t about what you so, or how smart you sound, it’s about how you interact with everyone else.  If any of us had all the answers, we wouldn’t be here. 

 There are so many new posters about November because Sherlock’s, that's when the market tanked. The Fool does a good job of spamming the stocks on Yahoo and getting you in.  Actually I've been a member of Fooldom for over 3 years.  The market tanks, people start looking for advice. 

Similar picks....hmmmm, could it be that the picks were many of the ones that had tanked the most and had a good Foolish following?   They were the ones followed by the most analysts and getting the most press? 

 I was hopeful that both of you posted something radical once in awhile just to get some attention and then try to make a useful point,  but clearly you are both just conceited.  The only reason for Abitare’s post was jealousy.  If it was to call attention to the risk of following TA in a volatile market then I think the advice could have been better presented than by suggesting that GV was out to shill the dryships industry and sway enough Fools to make a tidy profit before heading off into the sunset.

 Too bad that your skills as investors are overshadowed by your personalities.    I think TA has its limits as well, but it was interesting to follow, and my choice to follow it. It is basically trend analysis applied to an extreme. If some investors follow it then it pays to have a concept of it.  I prefer Fundamentals, but in this market, neither Fundamentals nor TA have much bearing since the “government”, fear, and the news override them.

 I do agree that it’s very strange that for someone who doubts GV’s advice, your closes and new picks seem to mirror his advice. 

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#40) On March 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TideGoesOut (< 20) wrote:

Y'know...I dunno.

A while back I was the head moderator of a board with about 1300-1500 posts per day. There were few rules, but the main one was "Don't make this board a worse place by your participation".

Did abitare do so? Not really. But was he out-of-line enough to be chastised a little? Yeah. He basically decided that the moderators of this place were useless, ineffective and perhaps stupid and took what should have been a private request to those moderators and decided to use it as a power play to try and grow popular opinion against another user, apparently in an effort to get that user kicked out.

That's just not cool. Doesn't really matter if the recipient of that negative attention was ultra-popular or a 1-day newbie. It's not an improvement to the community here and it doesn't help anyone. It also doesn't help prospective members join the site, as they see infighting and the type of negativity that is widespread all over the internet.

So, do I think all should be put back exactly as it was? No. Do I think the moderators acted perfectly? No. But they are human and I can see both sides of this argument. Be kind to them and to abitare (and to alstry and his many zombies! hehehe).

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#41) On March 10, 2009 at 11:36 PM, columbia1 wrote:

45 votes so far, with the majority wanting replacement of Abitare's blog!!

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#42) On March 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Seano67 (24.42) wrote:

I thought the post sucked, personally. It was entirely unnecessary, and all the original poster was doing was baselessly slamming another poster based on nothing at all beyond his own paranoid suspicions. If he did have proof GoodVibe was a fraud with multiple accounts and was doing something sketchy and destructive with that, that'd be one thing (and in that case you contact the fricken admins, not post it in a blog)- but he had no proof whatsoever, so it was just a mean-spirited bash-fest in my opinion. It could also be considered libelous, though in an exceptionally juvenile fashion.

It reminded me of typical inflammatory message board bullshit posted by bored teenyboppers, and Arbitare's continued referencing of 'recs' really gave me the feeling that above all, that post was motivated by jealousy over GV's popularity and the amount of recommendations his blogs receive. I mean it seems pretty obvious, when the original poster is whining about the lack of recommendations his posts receive in comparison to another, and then all of the sudden he's attacking the guy who gets more....well, what do you think?

I'm glad the Fool deleted it, as in my opinion there is no place for that kind of crap here. I mean we're ostensibly all adults here, so I would love to see the discourse remaining at an adult level, with no pointless, baseless innuendo and slurs being slung about like that. That's just bunk, and I'm glad to see it's not allowed.

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#43) On March 11, 2009 at 9:33 AM, madcowmonkey (< 20) wrote:

The classic case scenario would be if TMF went ahead and deleted this blog:) How funny would that be. I don't really care if the post comes back. I thought it was funny, but it is over now......move on to something new and let your actuary get back to you.

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#44) On March 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, BigFatBEAR (28.28) wrote:

What happened to positivealstry and his ability to not incite riots? I miss that one.

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#45) On March 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Alex1963 (27.69) wrote:


I agree with TSIF. Many of my earliest picks are straight from MF. I had no idea how to "work" the points or even how a pitch worked back in Dec '08. I made my amateurish little notes to myself as reminders only to realized they were pitches visible to all-Yikes. I even wrote to MF to ask if there was a private place to store notes feeling my input was pretty much a waste. Particularly since right from the start I was over 99% and in the top several hundred players. (Some good judgment on my part I believe, sure, but also not too hard considering I began near one of the recent market lows). It might mistakenly look like I knew what I was doing to other newbies or like I was trying to give public advice (see my pitches early on with my target buy and sell prices, simplistic criteria summations and little else).

Well I know the game here much better and though I still am not willing to close and reopen picks for the points (and then have to lose my placemarkers in the resulting monster file of the "All picks" or "closed picks" list). I do realize how much most players follow top players. Once I realized what the "charms" meant I spent a solid week researching players and developing a personal "screen" for who I felt was actually a player to follow. And to me, and I think a fair amount of others, it is literally true that "it's not just whether you win or lose but how you play the game." I naturally researched you early on and rejected you as a favorite immediately after scanning your recent blogs. You can score all right Alstry no doubt but you often play ugly. I even have you as a favorite now for your accuracy in certain sectors but everytime I see one of these pointless, dissentious (?) blogs I think again about cancelling you.Your whole premise as a player is in doubt to me because a player who so obviously seems to play exclusivel for being the top might do all sorts of gamesmnanship maneuvers to not just drive their own score up but to try and drive others down. In rec's, in points & in every available category that is tracked or "scored". I'm not saying you actually do red herring plays but if it could be done and you could get SpecBear or DWOT etc to follow I honestly wouldn't put it past you. You clearly have tried to discredit popular players. That is how suspect your whole persona here is to me. You're like a "Bizarro-Fool". The exact polar opposite of what you would think a top player would be and act if they truly had an community spirit or used the set up here to for the intention of helping others. I know you have plenty of support and players who find you funny or benign. I am trying to give you the take from the other end of the spectrum.

Further, I stay away from your blogs because they are so often off the subject of investing or economics and about Alstry the player. Or they seem to be on point and then it's right back to Alstry as the main & beloved feature. Maybe you just have no sense of any community here. Or one so alien to me I can't see any possible scenario where you could be about supporting and the community as a whole. Either the less rated than you and the more highly rated than you. You are simply all about Alstry. And you blog so often that wading thru the chaff to find the wheat is way too time consuming. I think you could be one of the most popular and followed players if you didn't spend so much time grousing about how come you get so much (well deserved) flak and postulating on why you aren't an even more popular and followed player! 

I have to say that if MF ever did institute a thumbs down rec for blogs I predict you would be one of the most red thumbed players here. I suspect you'd say you didn't care but I would not believe you for a second. So if you want the recognition for more than what is calculated automatically by the Caps system-to earn the respect and following of more players, then you will have to actually be more respectful, IMHO. Your tact of merely railing at the rain is clearly not getting the results you wish. I contend that your oft stated goal of being "controversial" is a smoke screen for your bafflement about why more people don't believe your plethora of blogs about how you mean well when you are so mean spirited time and time again. Well, Alstry, some people are just not easy to like. Trying to make a case for being more likeable is an exercise in futility. 

Also when you keep get caught kicking a dog and keep trying to insist you were merely trying to help it get the fleas off it ain't gonna fly. You have 3 choices. 1) Keep insisting it didn't happen and spin it as best you can. 2) Bury it in flurry of meaningless post like a prosecutor trying to bury a defense attorney during discovery. 3) Own up to being out of line when you are-right way. Maybe try to patch things up on the spot. I think you will see an enormous appreciation and much leeway from people even those you just cold cocked LOL.. I bet there isn't an active member here who hasn't said things in general or right to someone that they didn't regret. (me for instance) But these incidents are an opportunity to offer a different but just as vaulable a lesson as stocks to pick and when to buy and fold 'em (that's from your profile I think) Which is how to be an advanced personailty and an example for others when you are on top of the game. Maybe this is too "airy fairy"? Maybe so, but I believe it. For instance-I have a knack for sports. I usually win and I pick up most physical sports easily. But I also am an encouragng player to the many people I play against who are worse then me or are just learning or are klutzes. I never throw a game but I might challenge myself by trying much harder things than I would have against a better player. If I lose to a worse player I am gracious and geniunely complimentary and I think I help give new or unsure players more confidence. It makes me feel good to see them feel better about themselves. Don't get me wrong I'm very competive and try every fair and sportsman like tactic to win. But I also like that people I have beaten will seek me out time and time again as an opponent or teammate. Because I help them learn and we have fun at the same time. And the best competitors KNOW the real students of the game-the very best- can learn from anyone or be helped along by anyone. And I still have a lot of fun because I like the game itself. The challenge of improving myself not just trouncing the easily trounced. which is no fun or challenge at all. I don't ridicule people for their lack of skill. Shoot, there is always someone better and I'd want those more skilled than me to give me the same respect and encouragement. I think you have a similar goal but a vastly different approach. An "in yer face, challenging, alpha dog" kind of competitiveness which is often intimidating and personally insulting to many newbies, and really offensive fto many others.   

My unsloicited advice? Maybe ditch the 3rd person, and the tower of arrogance persona and and the obvious sarcastic "positive alstry" and just be you. I have seen you flirt with 1st person presentation, respectful dialogue and on point blogs and some truly amusing  viepoints and those are really worthwhile, and even uplifting at times. Believe me your score and rating speak for themselves. You are on eveyone's "my Caps" page right there with the other top 10 players. There is no better daily rec than that, IMO

As to"other traders" I'm not sure what your point is. If I had occasion to meet anyone ridiculing someone else in the manner you do here I would engage them as well. And I don't really care what the personalities might be of the faceless millions of investors out there who I do not personally engage with .

As to RL I conduct myself in pretty much the same way as I do here. I will walk away from potential clients if they are jerks and I can't have a civil, mutually respectful relationship, I don't care how much money I could make. I have learned you can't trust jerks. They reason they don't act respectful or honor agreements unless forced is that they are not honorable. Sure if everything goes their way you get paid but if there is a ripple in their pool they want everyone out. Those people who joke that "The golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules" are often not really joking and very dangerous people to hitch your wagon to. Further, I do not tolerate bullying of any kind in my presence and I sincerely believe that it is up to each and every person to do the same. I don't care how popular, powerful, or scary someone is if they are picking on someone or making racist, sexist or belittling remarks I get right in their face. If I think the situation warrants it I can be just as mean, tough and scary as anyone. For their own good of course :) I believe in GVs live & let live and patient acceptance etc but I've been in sales and a pretty social guy for decades. Some folks do not respond to respect or "wimpy" behavior like that. They only hear messages in their own language. I count some of the rudest most self absorbed people on this planet as friends because they know I don't hang with them by biting my tongue and putting up with them. Or becaue I'm afraid of them or hoping to profit from them. When they get really out of line I tell them so. I'm a reality check, maybe & I think they appreciate it because they know I'm there by choice not because I feel sorry for them or pity their inability to maintain friendships. They know they're rude as a concept but don't seem to recognize their behavior in real time. They get a ton of slack from me but beyond a certain point they get an earful. 

Excuse the log post. I hope it is reasonably on point. And I appreciate the civil reply Alstry, I really do. More like this, please!



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