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GM (&Taxpayers) takes on subprime car loans but it's less risky

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July 22, 2010 – Comments (12) | RELATED TICKERS: F , UBA , R

By TOM KRISHER and DAVID PITT AP Business Writers © 2010 The Associated Press http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/7120730.html

Congratulations to all taxpayers, not only do we own the shell of an automaker, but we are now proud owners of a subprime car lender.   Realize I have been a broken record, but what we are experiencing is a natural correction/shift caused by a Lack of Qualified Demand. 

This exerp jumped out at me:  

"AmeriCredit had already been helping GM with subprime loans, which now amount to 4 percent of the car company's sales. GM Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell expects that to grow by a percent or two, a significant number considering that GM is on pace to sell over 2 million cars and trucks in the U.S. this year.

"About 40 percent of U.S. customers have below prime credit scores, Liddell said. "Clearly there's an opportunity to bring more people into our showrooms and help them with finance."

Dealers and GM executives have complained for months that they're losing business because many customers can't get loans or leases.

Historically, the loan approval rate for borrowers with poor credit — those with scores below 620 — ran about 60 percent. Now, it's running at 9 percent. "

The problem is that 40% of the US population has below prime credit scores.   The other other issue they should look at is that the median household income is roughly $50,000 per year.  (Household= Family can include more than one) This means that half of the individuals are unable to buy $35-$50K cars.   

 Personally I do not know much about the car market (TMFDeej would be better qualified to comment), but car manufacturers need to design/plan/market their product to meet what  their target market can afford.   Qualified demand is the key.  You can explain to me about the difficulties of self employed individuals etc, but bottom line is 40% of the country is "upside down."How is owning a subprime lender going to help GM dig out?  I am assuming that government officials had to approve this transaction, and imagine it had to go to the top?   

Should have prefaced this by stating that I do not have a background in finanace, never worked for a car manufacturer or a car dealer, but I have to say, "The Emperor Is Not Wearing Clothes". 

Welcome comment and opposing views.

 

12 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On July 23, 2010 at 12:17 AM, SockMarket (81.75) wrote:

I would tend to agree with you. 2 thoughts:

1) I assume that you are kidding about the loans being less risky. I really hope so.

2) car companies must be desperate. They are taking the road to ruin pre-blazed by the banks!

3) What is wrong with cutting back? If the demand isn't there, most (smart) companies scale back. Not create more demand. If GM wasn't so well run I might think this was a bad move.

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#2) On July 23, 2010 at 12:17 AM, SockMarket (81.75) wrote:

3 sorry. 2 comments :)

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#3) On July 23, 2010 at 5:47 AM, TMFDeej (99.47) wrote:

Hey TDRH.  Nice catch.  I strongly considered making almost the exact same post yesterday :).  I've been saying for some time now that General Motors is going to do anything possible to crank up its sales in the near future to make itself look as good as possible heading into an IPO.  I figured that would involve increasing its spending on incentives, but nothing this extreme.

It has been public knowledge that the General was tossing around the idea of opening its own captive finance company again, but I figured that it would do so from scratch or repurchase GMAC.  I was aware of its relationship with Americredit, but I never even dreamt that it would have the means to purchase it, let alone open itself to so much exposure to the subprime market.

Let's just say that this definitely is not a move that I would have made if I was interested in creating a strong business for the long-term.  If on the other hand it was in my best interest to crank up my sales numbers ASAP without any concern about hot it's done then this would work.

Deej 

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#4) On July 23, 2010 at 9:51 AM, TMFDeej (99.47) wrote:

Hey what happened to your huge 50 rec post about whether people should be able to blog without making picks?

Deej 

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#5) On July 23, 2010 at 10:19 AM, TDRH (99.84) wrote:

Deej,

        It seemed to be kind of juvenile, and the debate was nothing that would help people make money.  I was just venting, did not realize it would trigger the response it did.   I asked them to take it down.

 

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#6) On July 24, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Teacherman1 (47.99) wrote:

Just a thought about "below prime credit scores". Not all of these are caused because people aren't paying on their credit cards. One of the most significant factors in lowering credit scores over the past year or so, is the fact that most companies "cut credit lines", along with raising rates of course.

When a line is cut, the percentage of use goes way up, this increase in the percentage of use can kill a credit score.

They might also have had job changes with short periods in their new job, had accounts closed (without a balance owed), using their cards more to balance out cash flow, etc.

There are many things that can affect a FICO score other than not paying your bills. 

Not saying this is the only reason why 40% have sub prime scores, but it is a significant reason.

If they are making their loan decisions on factors other than just the FICO score, they may not be taking as big a risk as it first appears.

Having spent many years in banking in the past (before all loan decisions were made by computers), I can see where there are individuals with a low FICO score, who still might be reasonable risks for car loans.

Just my two cents.

Not defending GM or its new financing unit, just pointing out that FICO scores alone are not always what they appear to be. 

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#7) On July 29, 2010 at 12:09 AM, TDRH (99.84) wrote:

Teacherman1,

              You are a good devil's advocate, and I am certain there are exceptions as you outline, but the question in my mind is how can a tax payer owned company "BUY" another company?   Who approved ths?  Maybe I did not state the question very clearly and clouded it with opinion.

 James

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#8) On July 29, 2010 at 12:09 AM, TDRH (99.84) wrote:

Teacherman1,

              You are a good devil's advocate, and I am certain there are exceptions as you outline, but the question in my mind is how can a tax payer owned company "BUY" another company?   Who approved ths?  Maybe I did not state the question very clearly and clouded it with opinion.

 James

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#9) On July 29, 2010 at 12:28 AM, rd80 (99.11) wrote:

'cause GMAC worked out sooooo well for GM (and taxpayers)...

Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

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#10) On July 29, 2010 at 12:45 AM, 5WOODWARRIOR (< 20) wrote:

Here is my 2 cents.... (By the way I worked in the auto industry for close to ten years.)

 

1. Financing is where the REAL money is. Selling cars is a break even proposition at best for U.S. dealers. The real money is made in parts, service, USED CARS and FINANCING. Ford has a HUGE edge in the FINANCE department.

2. As mentioned earlier, the risk is not as enormous as previously stated. Unlike a home it is pretty easy to reposess an automobile and then re-sell it at a regional auction.

 3. Sub prime auto-loans usually require a large down payment and proof of a stable job and residence. Not to mention the vast amount of personal references that the lender requires.

4. In many instances SUB PRIME borrowers are required  to have tracking devices (think Lo-Jack) installed at the time of purchase in case a borrower defaults.

5. Some SUB-PRIME lenders also offer extended warranty plans and require their customers to purchase them before they will write a loan. When a car doesn't run sub prime borrowers tend to stop making the payemts. 

6. These types of loans have a large default rate but are still profitable for the lender. The rates are pretty bad. I've seen sub-prime loans that were 84+ months to get the payment in line with certain lenders.

The purchase of Ameriprise is a GREAT addition for GM. As long as they don't start promoting liar loans they will be fine.

One of the most successful dealers in Southern California is a guy by the name of Cal Worthington (Ford dealer.) What was his edge? He owns his own finance company. People don't make their payments and they reposess the car and sell it again. If the people make 65% of their payments the financing company still wins because they reposess the car and sell it again.

 

This is a good long term move for GM in my humble opinion. 

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#11) On July 29, 2010 at 12:46 AM, 5WOODWARRIOR (< 20) wrote:

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#12) On July 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, TDRH (99.84) wrote:

"Cal Worthington and his dog Spot."

5Wood, I hope you are right, because GM is playing with the house's money, yours and mine.  

 

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