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April 02, 2010 – Comments (14)

This post is related to the markets, specifically, why the markets are closed today.

How good is Good Friday? Several people, (new) believers and unbelievers alike, have asked me something along the lines of, "Why is the day when Jesus was crucified called 'Good Friday'? Why would we call the crucifixion 'good'?"

The answer is that everything good that has ever happened between God and man is fulfilled in that weekend, starting Friday with God's compassion for man in the sacrifice of His Son to defeat sin, and culminating Sunday in God's power over death, and His promise to us, in the resurrection of His Son to life, a type for our resurrection who believe in Christ. 

Without the death of Christ there would be no resurrection, neither of Him, nor of us. Good Friday indeed!

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#1) On April 02, 2010 at 2:49 PM, brickcityman (< 20) wrote:

Funny I always thought the name came from what one apostle said to the other the day after the resurrection...

 

"GOOD thing the cave is empty, otherwise we would have wasted the last few years following around a scruffy guy with delusions of grandeur"

 

...  Remember, God wants you to laugh...

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#2) On April 02, 2010 at 3:22 PM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

Good perspective FleaBagger. It still doesn't explain why the markets were closed.  I suspect it's more because the traders wanted a holdiay.  Goodness knows the market needs one.

Many schools in our area had school today.  I successfully lobbied for ours to be closed, but it's a fresh battle from many perspectives each year as some argue that it crosses government with religion and they would rather have the extra day off in the summer.

They readily admit that when they have school, 30% of students and teachers aren't there, so it's totally non-productive. IF they don't want to mix Religion and Politics then they should try working on Christmas!  Easter is just as important to Christians!

Thanks, and best to you.

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#3) On April 02, 2010 at 4:41 PM, davejh23 (< 20) wrote:

"I successfully lobbied for ours to be closed, but it's a fresh battle from many perspectives each year as some argue that it crosses government with religion and they would rather have the extra day off in the summer."

Those that argue in this way don't understand what "separation of church and state" means.  Do we have a Church of America that controls our government?  No.  This is what the founding fathers wanted to avoid.  Does this mean that a government run school can't be closed for a religious holiday?...or that God can't be mentioned in a public school where a non-Christian might be listening?  No, this has nothing to do with it. 

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#4) On April 02, 2010 at 5:00 PM, lemoneater (71.35) wrote:

Good explanation, Fleabagger!

@#1 brickcityman, the Apostle Paul said something similar to your imagined scenario in 1 Corinthians 15:14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15&version=NIV

 

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#5) On April 02, 2010 at 5:19 PM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

Davejh23, I explained those points to the school committee as well. Fortuanately four of the nine are personal friends and the one or two dissenters decided to pick their battles.

  You can't use any logic on some people. But no need to politize Fleabagger's sentiments.  My best to everyone no matter how they celebrate the season as long as they do it with respect for everyone.  

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#6) On April 02, 2010 at 7:02 PM, brickcityman (< 20) wrote:

@ TSIF

 

you may not WANT to polticize it, but you already have.

 

I for one disdain any person using religious rationale for personal gain.  In this case it seems you may be flirting with deeming your religious beliefs important enough to override the educational needs of your communities children.  Somehow this does not seem like a very pious act, at least not to me. 

 

Now, there is one way you and I might find common ground...  I am all for lobbying a school to arrange its schedule around certain dates.  But I think those dates should be based on community standards for what schedule works best for all.

 

Say for instance your school had a large percentage of highly observant Christians who, as an article of their faith, would be compelled to have their children miss school on Good Friday.  In that case I am all for re-arranging the schedule to more efficiently address the probability of  unexcused absences. 

 

Your 30% standard may be enough to meet a critical mass (on a comparative basis), but I'm not necessarily sold on that point.  In various places I have lived there are plenty of "secular holidays" which would easily eclipse your 30% standard.  Examples would be the first day of big game hunting or spring fishing season, key harvest times for regional crops, and the odd local sports team home opener.

 

Would you be nearly as motivated to lobby for them as well?  And do you think you would have been victorious if you proposal had been put up to a vote alongside other "secular holidays"?

 

And one last thing a church does not need to run the state in order for it to have an unhealthy impact on its affairs.  In fact I would argue that the most insidious problems occur when the impact is less than overt. So that standard is bogus.

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#7) On April 02, 2010 at 7:14 PM, bigcat1969 (89.06) wrote:

Just a note that the whole church / state thing comes from one of Jefferson's letters that may or may not have been taken out of context.  Look at say the first hundred years of American history for a vastly different view of the church versus the state.  Much has changed and possibly it is good for the church and state relationship to change, but you can't really argue based on the founders who wrote virtually nothing calling for a divide between the state and God.  Many of the leaders, esp. Washington, called on God daily and in public forums.  What most really wanted to avoid was a state church aka the Church of England.  There were a few such as Franklin and maybe Jefferson who probably would have liked our current views, but Washington and most others likely would not.

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#8) On April 02, 2010 at 9:05 PM, FleaBagger (28.14) wrote:

As far as this being an explanation of why markets are closed today, that was a tongue in cheek needling of those that demand all posts be investment-related. I hope no one is offended who isn't perpetually offended anyway.

As for the separation of church and state, I want it as much as anyone. I would do away with the state, and every state-like influence within the church, and keep the church as it was meant to be: free and uninfluenced by political ambition. 

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#9) On April 02, 2010 at 9:40 PM, devoish (96.28) wrote:

I like religion, except mine, out of Government and out of its policys. Including school holidays, ornaments adorning Gov't property, and most especially the law.

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#10) On April 03, 2010 at 9:17 AM, TSIF (99.96) wrote:

brickcityman,

 30% of students are pulled by their parents.  How many parents would prefer that their kids not go to school that day?  I don't have any actual research, but I know plenty who want their kids to get the attendance awards if possible, plenty who don't want their kids to miss any possible learning presented that day, and plenty who just acknowledge "the system", all who send their kids who would rather not.

I would agree with any set calender that took time off for any holidays.  At my day job we have three floaters, but at my day job work can continue with various individuals off on a given day. School should not have to.

Yes, I would support any other holiday where there was sufficient request for a particular holiday, even those that don't align with my own beliefs.  I wouldnt' support most of your examples. The home game openen is after school.

As far as trying to change something.  There was a board of 10 plus the superintendent who decide these things.  I petitioned the board.  Others made their own points. 

I caught your tie in fleabagger with the markets.   I still didn't intend to start something by thanking you for your sentiments.

Clearly there are those who have other beliefs who think they can petition their own anywhere, even where the majority viewpoint is against them.

Blessings.

TSIF

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#11) On April 03, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Teacherman1 (28.84) wrote:

Good post FleaBagger.

Good addition Lemoneater.

Happy Easter to all, whether you observe it or not.

 

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#12) On April 04, 2010 at 1:12 PM, brickcityman (< 20) wrote:

TSIF,

 

Shouldn't the above have read:

 

I petitioned the board (And used my personal relationships with them to ensure my petition was accepted).  Others made their own points (But they were just wasting their breath).

 

Your good friday parable wreaks of small town crony politics of the worst kind.  I know its a fact of life, but it's always struck me as distasteful at best and unAmerican at worst.

 

Enjoy Easter, this is surely the sort of thing Christ would have wanted you to do.

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#13) On April 06, 2010 at 1:46 PM, FleaBagger (28.14) wrote:

Well, now that everyone's unhappy, it's a good thing that whole Easter weekend is over and done with. I would like to point out that any time one person or a group of people can impose their will on everyone else, it's a recipe for strife and misery.

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#14) On April 06, 2010 at 3:03 PM, lemoneater (71.35) wrote:

Well, Flea, I had a happy Easter. Good Friday is good, not because it is a day off or because the market takes a breather from its dizzying whirl, but because Jesus was willing to die in my place. The question is why? What was in it for Him? Why would He do it? http://www.biblica.com/bible/verse/?q=Romans%205:7-10&niv=yes 

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