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July 29, 2009 – Comments (29)

As many of us know, and the rest of us will soon discover, the stock market is overvalued. Ringing in the echoes of Hoover ("The fundamentals of the economy are sound")--Nov. 1929 and Fisher ("stocks have reached a permanently high plateau")--1929, we have the tag team of fools in Bernanke and Obama telling us that it's all daisies, rainbows and kittens. (I like kittens, but this is irrelevant to my point.)

Let's examine short list of news events that have occured during the S&P's 47% rally off of it's march low.

*CIT Bankruptcy wipes out access to credit for thousands of small businesses.

*S&P P/E rises to over 500 (and rises by the day as more companies announce ghastly earnings.)--this is based on operating earnings, not Enron-accounting earnings.

*Dell, Microsoft, Google, Qualcomm and Amazon all announce godawful earnings reports and yet the Nasdaq rises 11 consecutive days in the midst of the carnage.

*What little earnings do appear come from crazy cost-cutting. Read that Intel report again guys, if you take out Asia and layoffs, the company missed in just about all other respects.

*Every smartphone maker in the world continues to rise limitlessly--have people not heard of competition and market share? Phone makers are priced as if the Zulu tribes of Africa will start ordering Blackberries in bulk. Even lowly PALM has 14-tupled in the past few months.

*The shares of bankrupt GM traded over $1 for almost two months despite the company telling investors, cough, um, uh, I've got no family-friendly word for fools owning GM, that its shares had literally no value whatsoever.

*Jim Cramer continues to call a new ball market (this is all you really need to know to know that the rally is about to end) and make truly assinine predictions-- BAC to $18? Why?

*Inflation continues to not appear. The prices of commodities are getting smashed, reminscent of 1929-31 the price of wheat has collapsed this year. Even Natural Gas continues to plumb new lows despite its excessively cheap valuation. The only commodities holding up are oil and the precious metals... the rest of the bunch, particularly the ags, are getting destroyed. This is the real economy... the US' biggest export is agriculture. Agriculture's collapse is going to hurt.

*House prices continue to get decimated. That's actually not a strong enough word. In California, median house prices are down 38% and more than half of ALL SALES are foreclosures. That sure screams of a bottom, eh? Um, no!

*The US Dollar has sharply declined as it appears to be getting used as a carry-trade funding currency. This happened to Japan in 1990--the result: two decades of recessions interspersed with an occasional depression. This will, in my opinion, be likely to reverse and wipe out the foreign bulls who are borrowing US dollars to buy US equities. However, if the carry trade doesn't reverse, read up on Japan circa 1991, cause a repeat is coming.

*Margin debt has grown markedly in the past few months. People aren't buying stocks, they are borrowing money to buy stocks... this sort of gambling is hallmark of bubbles, not recessions. Again, this echoes of 1929. When the market starts dropping, you're going to see even more margin calls then we've seen thus far during this bear market.

*The US is running obnoxiously large budget deficits, leading to the sale of hundreds of billions of dollars of debt every month. This is continuing to beat down the bond market, halting any rallies there in their infancy. With the upcoming deluge of bond issuance over the next month, it is virtually assured that interest rates will continue their ascent throwing more ice on the already frost-bitten housing market.

*US malls are withering away. Been in one lately? I'm lucky I got out of the one here in Fort Collins without getting mugged.

*The Euro has made another run at 1.45 and failed. It is a barometer of risk acceptance across the global economy. As it sharply rejected a new high and is again plunging (-2.5 cents this week), it will deflate commodity prices and global risk tolerance further yet.

*The Chinese stock market divebombed last night, falling as much as 8%. CNBC didn't report that one, did they?

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Actually, I'm just getting started--I could go on for much longer, but this post is kind of lengthy already. Executive summary:

By this time next year, the S&P will be trading under 666.

That's all for now. Best trade idea, if you have a forex account, short the EUR/USD cross. If you don't have acccess to that, buy FXE December at of the money puts for a probable triple/quadruple.

Hope you're having a good week, I am still out of regular internet access, so I won't read your comments until much later.

29 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On July 29, 2009 at 3:17 PM, automaticaev (38.93) wrote:

wwhy did you buy uup?

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#2) On July 29, 2009 at 3:19 PM, goldminingXpert (30.70) wrote:

I think it will go up, even if it doesn't, it will decline more slowly than the S&P.

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#3) On July 29, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Keep 'em coming-- Hope you're back in these interesting times. Many appreciate your $.02.

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#4) On July 29, 2009 at 3:25 PM, goldminingXpert (30.70) wrote:

Grr, I didn't even mention unemployment--the rate of which is beginning to sharply ascend again after a brief slowdown in the spring. Maybe we should just multiply the unemployment rate by 100? 9.5=950 S&P. 12% unemployment this Christmas=1,200 S&P. And when unemployment clears 16% next summer, we'll make a new all-time S&P high of 1,600?! I'm thinking like a bull, and it FEELS GOOD!

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#5) On July 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM, automaticaev (38.93) wrote:

so you think now is a good time to sell?  What about the rest of the earnings reports that are coming?

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#6) On July 29, 2009 at 3:28 PM, automaticaev (38.93) wrote:

cant the earnings make the market go higher short term?  What will happen when unemployment repots come out?

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#7) On July 29, 2009 at 3:36 PM, FleaBagger (32.74) wrote:

Way to go on comment #4, GMX! That's what I was going to say. Why worry about things like earnings, the future of the economy, or reality? It's stock-buying time! The S&P has momentum, and if there's one thing I know about momentum, it lasts forever. Just ask onestarhero.

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#8) On July 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM, alexreising (50.49) wrote:

Automaticaev-

 I think another question is, what will happen when the earnings reports are finished?

 These earnings reports are like smaller and smaller vapors of crack cocaine that the market is inhaling and they'll run out soon enough. After that we just have real economic data and for the most part, no matter how the initial press release on CNBC tries to spin it bullish, they are mostly pretty negative in reality.

The vix keeps rising, oils dropping, commodities are dropping, asia tanked and I think we are just one job numbers + Exxon release away from shedding a couple hundred points and we will drop furhter if the GPD reports is weak. We haven't even traded 700 millions shares today on the dow as I write this.... People are waiting for those GDP numbers as well.... We'll see....

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#9) On July 29, 2009 at 3:47 PM, huddaman (72.27) wrote:

GMX,

 It didnt feel long at all. Do you see any hope at all down the road?

 

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#10) On July 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, automaticaev (38.93) wrote:

ya im waiting to see the numbers.

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#11) On July 29, 2009 at 4:16 PM, FreundInvesting (30.05) wrote:

All better than expected, GMX! Let the good times ROLL!

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#12) On July 29, 2009 at 4:18 PM, automaticaev (38.93) wrote:

lol that onestarhero profile is funny.

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#13) On July 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Varchild2008 (84.36) wrote:

I'm seeing a PEG of 5.5 on the S&P 500 via Scottrade's charts.  Via Reuters analysis, a PEG of 3 or less is oversold and greater than 3 is overbought.

We have an overbought status of 2.5 times NEXT YEAR's earnings.  *ouch*

It's going to take some real nasty GDP number come Friday to bring us back down to reality.  I'm looking for DOW 8700 by Friday's Closing Bell.

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#14) On July 29, 2009 at 4:57 PM, prose976 (< 20) wrote:

A few things that seem to be overlooked here (and by most other doom-n-gloomers. 

The market is being set up to make it increasingly difficult to benefit from speculation...and shorting (downturns).

Another thing is inflation:  Inflation will actually push the market higher based on the dollar.

Leaner companies mean higher profit margins and a "jobless" recovery.

Most doom-n-gloomers are basing their dire predictions on charts and the idea that pre-recession was somehow a realistic snapshot of normal market conditions.  It wasn't, and because it wasn't, everything is in the process of being adjusted downward.

You're hoping that this thing tanks most likely because of your ego and your shorts.  It is important to understand that there's no money in another huge drop and that global banks and governments are in the arduous process of instilling confidence in the markets so that the global marketplace can function normally again.

This is creative accounting on a grand scale, but it will always work as long as governments can control the value of their currency.

So let's get in touch with reality.  The market, currencies, government reports and company reports are finagled and those who are reading, watching or listening to them must live accordingly or live completely outside of it all either in obscurity or as a player in this very exciting global game.

I, for one, am having alot of fun with it.  As I told my brother, who is completely bewildered and frustrated with the manipulation of economies, markets, currencies, etc.  "Instead of shaking your fist at the rain, get yourself a bucket.

Anticipate greatness in life and it will be yours

Anticipate a world that crumbles around you, and your world will indeed crumble around you. 

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#15) On July 29, 2009 at 5:12 PM, automaticaev (38.93) wrote:

yarg 8700 would mean get out now....

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#16) On July 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, FleaBagger (32.74) wrote:

prose976 - Any thoughts on why silver tanked for two days straight?

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#17) On July 29, 2009 at 6:37 PM, nuf2bdangrus (< 20) wrote:

Sentiment is buying the V recovery.  Interestingly, we are following the path f the great depression stock market almost perfectly, the bottom, the 45% bounce on 145 days, the optimism, and...hopefully the subsequent decline.  It is the closed corrolary of any bear markets.

 

Now hear this.  I don't know what's going to happen.  I am slightly net  short.  Long MO, HOLX, SUN and short some banks and indexes.  I usually throw in my shorts right before the crash.  if we close over 980 we hit 1000.  1100 is last gasp.  It will be short covering only.

 

If you are going to be long, be long something that pays a good safe dividend.  You may need it.

 

 

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#18) On July 29, 2009 at 6:46 PM, starbucks4ever (99.56) wrote:

"Margin debt has grown markedly in the past few months."

What's your source of information? If you put GS playing with Bernanke's funny money in that category, then your conclusion is totally wrong. Don't worry about them, they won't receive a margin call. 

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#19) On July 29, 2009 at 8:49 PM, rexlove (99.25) wrote:

According to the LA times:

The median home sales price has been rising in California and Southern California recently. The California median was up 7% in June from May, to $246,000, according to San Diego-based MDA DataQuick.

Yes - it may be down 38% yoy but there are lots of signs pointing to a bottom. The housing market was ridiculously overpriced in California, It was long overdue for a correction... $700,000 for a fixer-upper bungalow - what were people thinking out there???? I think we're finally down to levels that match people's incomes.  

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#20) On July 29, 2009 at 9:03 PM, ahobbs (< 20) wrote:

Be careful in drawing conclusions from margin debt.  Your assumption (that investors are using margin to buy stocks, causing a rise in the market) may be faulty.  I’m no expert, but I think that if someone shorts a stock in excess of their account value it counts as margin debt.  If the market is heavily shorted, then a rising stock market would cause an increase in margin debt.

I think we need a better picture of short interest before we can draw conclusions from a rising margin debt.  Does anyone have access to short interest data?

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#21) On July 30, 2009 at 11:30 AM, dudemonkey (58.63) wrote:

I think you're at least directionally right, GMX, and you could be right about the magnitude.  I hope you are, since I'm sitting on cash that is looking for an opportunity.

Also, I appreciate the more non-confrontational approach.  It seems that your vacation has done its job and you're refreshed.  Welcome back!

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#22) On July 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Rehydrogenated (36.05) wrote:

I'm seeing a lot of bankruptcies in my industry. But it has been a huge positive for us. The economy as a whole will suffer, but the companies that will survive are a huge buy. So yeah, I agree the stock market will fall, but every company that fails increases the value of all their competitors.

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#23) On July 30, 2009 at 1:45 PM, outoffocus (24.48) wrote:

but every company that fails increases the value of all their competitors.

Its what I've been wanting our politicians and the majority of Americans to figure out all along. Not only does it strengthen competitors but its spurs innovation by making room for a newer company to take its place.

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#24) On July 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM, SheikRattleNRoll (95.38) wrote:

They probobly didn't report the chinese stock market dive bombing because it recovered just as quickly.

 

You're listing a bunch of events without any context.  Using your valuation system,  what is has the P/E been over the last 50 years?  You're suggesting an alternate system of measurement but not supplying any historical data, context, etc.  I could say using my super tasty P/E measurement system the P/E is one million to one.  It is meaningless without historical measurements under the same system.

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#25) On July 30, 2009 at 2:14 PM, StopLaughing (< 20) wrote:

You forgot the two most important relationships right now.

Obama and the Dems are tanking in the polls and the $ is weaker. 

That is enought to drive the market up. 

Obama could tank another 25 points (in some polls). That ought to be worth at least 250 points on the S&P.

 

Asia and other emerging markets do have a V bottoms so far. Some volitility is expected. The US market is following the Asian markets.

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#26) On July 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, rexlove (99.25) wrote:

GMX,

Where did you get your S&P PE ratio of over 500???

If you look at the S&P website the estimated operating earnings for 2009 is $55.26. This will give you a PE of 17.8. And with earnings beating estimates every day this will only come down. The estimated earning for 2010 are looking very promising at $77.38. 

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#27) On July 30, 2009 at 7:51 PM, rexlove (99.25) wrote:

I think sometimes people fail to realize that we are in the midst of a recesssion. One that IMHO we should be out of by the end of the year. Yes earnings are bad when compared to last years basis. Yes - unemployment will creep up even when coming out of a recession. Yes companies will fail. But we know all that. There's a reason the S&P dropped from 1500 to 666. But now investors realize the fundamentals aren't as bad as they predicted: 

"Of the 263 S&P 500 companies who have reported, 76% beat estimates, 10% were in-line, and 14% were below estimates."

Time to put on the rose-colored glasses GMX.

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#28) On August 01, 2009 at 11:37 PM, dexion10 (28.27) wrote:

GMX - you are on point. There are too many unsustainable large number equations for this to end well.

1. Debt growth > Money Supply Growth

2. Government Spending > Tax Revenue

3. China Capacity > Global needs

 

Also see my post on China's real estate and stock bubbles are looming and I suspect that China will be the failed lynch pin of the bull thesis that pile drives the stock market. 

I've read that there is 14 years of empty office space supply in Bejing.  I've also heard about rampant liars loans and the looming restriction of credit for stocks and real estate.

 

Mark my words if China limits credit to real estate and stocks then that'll be the end... you can't shoot the marginal buyers - thats the same as killing subprime in the USA

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#29) On August 20, 2009 at 12:24 PM, MGDG (38.16) wrote:

GMX, have you looked at the SPY Puts? There looks to be a select few investors putting a lot of money on a big move down before year end. It's kind of ominus, it looks similar to what occured at the market peak in 2007.

The market is efficient at moving the money from the hands of many into the hands of a few. Those Puts in 2007 did that quite handily. I'm getting a case of Deja Vu looking at the options market.

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