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March 03, 2011 – Comments (30)

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/03/02/docs-reveal-tsa-plan-to-body-scan-pedestrians-train-passengers/

I have never been involved in a protest, but if the TSA starts scanning people on the street, I will do whatever it takes to get my voice out there and try to shut them down, this is absurd.

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#1) On March 03, 2011 at 3:12 AM, BurntTiger (21.57) wrote:

I will join you

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#2) On March 03, 2011 at 3:38 AM, blake303 (29.26) wrote:

Condolences on your tiny genitals and/or obesity. The ability to see through vehicles or even clothes is not intrusive if you have nothing to hide. It's not like anyone hates the U.S. or would hide anything in a vehicle in a highly populated area. Nope. Our reputation is on the up and up. Having lived in NYC (during 9/11) and other large cities with relatively vulnerable public transit systems, I welcome the technology (although the government should be forthcoming about its existence and use). Terrorists will hit the U.S. again with or without the scanning. If you want to put your first protest to better use, speak out against U.S. foreign policy before you protest technologies that attempt to delay its repercussions. 

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#3) On March 03, 2011 at 7:25 AM, dbjella (< 20) wrote:

Terrorists will hit the U.S. again with or without the scanning

Then why scan? 

I agree with your foreign policy statement.  Ron Paul says it best when he describes our foreign policy as aggressive or empire building. 

 

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#4) On March 03, 2011 at 9:03 AM, OneLegged (< 20) wrote:

blake you have it all woefully wrong.  Even if I have nothing to hide it is NONE of the government's business what I may or may not be carrying in my vehicle or under my clothes.  I am sorry that you live in such mortal fear that you are willing to give the powers-that-be more control over your personal life in exchange for essentially zero extra security.  When our govenment can go around scanning its citizens in public at random we are no longer the United States of America.

 

Remember the government derives 100% of its powers from the citizens.  We allow the government to operate.  Not the other way around.  Don't forget the example that Egypt set for the rest of the world.

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#5) On March 03, 2011 at 9:17 AM, XMFSinchiruna (27.52) wrote:

The ability to see through vehicles or even clothes is not intrusive if you have nothing to hide.

In my personal opinion, statements like this one are more frightening than anything else in this world.

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#6) On March 03, 2011 at 9:19 AM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

#5 - Amen.

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#7) On March 03, 2011 at 9:28 AM, whereaminow (45.40) wrote:

It's estimated that the average American commits 2-3 felonies per day without their knowledge, so the "nothing to hide" argument is pereposterous. Criminal law is written to be intentionally vague so that literally any activity can be deemed criminal if they so choose.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842.html

Personally, I don't want those types of people looking in my vehicles.

I'd also like to further add that this is a sheer laziness approach to investigative work where you treat everyone like a criminal. I don't want to make police work easier. Police work should be hard. If you don't want to do it, turn your badge in.

David in Qatar

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#8) On March 03, 2011 at 9:33 AM, jesusfreakinco (28.94) wrote:

Valyoo

On this we agree.   I'll be there right with you...

 JFC

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#9) On March 03, 2011 at 9:34 AM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

I offer this for you to read. I find it interesting.

Israel’s Airport Security, Object Of Envy, Is Hard To Emulate Here

http://www.forward.com/articles/122781/#ixzz1FXyIpCfI

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#10) On March 03, 2011 at 12:35 PM, blake303 (29.26) wrote:

Team Enzyte speaks!  

#3 dbjella - Because one prevented attack can save dozens, hundreds or thousands of lives. The more tools at our disposal the better. 

#4 OneLegged - It is the government's business if the contents of your car or clothes will be used for mass murder. This is not comparable to Egypt.

#5 TMFSinchiruna - Really? More frightening than a Soul Plane sequel, Rosie O'Donnell sex tape or Palin presidency? I don't have a money bin full of dubloons to keep me company or practice my backstroke in, so I find the prospect of losing a friend or loved one far more frightening. I'm sure your golden limo and underpants will render the scan useless anyway. 

#6 & #8 catoismymotor - Irrational fear of dissenting opinions is not a religion. I have read that article before and I agree that replicating that system in the US would be difficult if not impossible. Israel has an impressive track record, so I am all for cherrypicking the best qualities of their system if it improves security and reduces intrusion. Easier said than done.

#7 whereaminow - I guess hugging my nieces or ripping the tags off of my matresses can be construed as felonies, but I still have nothing to hide. I prefer not to have the government scanning the public, yet I find it preferrable to preventable casualities.

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#11) On March 03, 2011 at 1:40 PM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

Irrational fear of dissenting opinions is not a religion.

Well, not unless you are a Neocon.

 

 

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#12) On March 03, 2011 at 1:43 PM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

I have a quote running around my head about selling liberty for security and it being a not so good idea.

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#13) On March 03, 2011 at 2:21 PM, blake303 (29.26) wrote:

Liberty and security are not necessarily a trade off.  Did Franklin provide any overly simplistic words of wisdom regarding dirty bombs?

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#14) On March 03, 2011 at 3:07 PM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

Dirty bombs? No. But there was the Small Pox, Yellow Fever, Tifoid, Tythus...all of which were easliy spread and deadly for most who contracted the disease. Germ warfare is not a twentieth century invention. Also in his day a mere house fire could burn down half a city as it speads over the course of a few days. Hmmm...half a city destroyed because one person started an event in a single location that ends up taking down half a city? It is not a dirty bomb, but a Red Coat or Royalist with a torch could do a vast amount of damage.

During the revolution had Dr. Franklin been captured by the British he would have been taken to London, and held for trail on a charge of treason and executed at the Tower of London in front of tens of thousands of bemused royal subjects. He knew this to be so. So did Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton...the whole lot of them knew. The consequinces of declaring their independence from a global superpower, if things went wrong, was death. For those left behind their families would have been turned out, property confiscated and possibly destroyed to set an example.

Dr. Franlkin and the others put their lives, and those of their families on the line for the cause of liberty, freedom from a tyranny. There is a civil war underway in Lybia today. A ragtag force of citizens going against a well equipped professional army. They fight against a man who promissed security to those willing to live under his oppression. Ask the young men and women in Lybia today that fight for freedom if they understand the sentiment expressed by Dr. Franklin 230 years ago. I am sure the answer would be a resounding YES!

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#15) On March 03, 2011 at 6:48 PM, blake303 (29.26) wrote:

Laughable rant. If Franklin were concerned about germs, he probably would not have spent so much time banging European prostitutes, but that really has nothing to do with my question does it?  Speaking of sentiment 230 years ago, I doubt Franklin's fellow Americans, women, slaves and Native Americans for instance, felt similarly about this awe inspiring fight for liberty.

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#16) On March 03, 2011 at 7:10 PM, whereaminow (45.40) wrote:

blake303,

I fear you are overly naive about the ability of government security to prevent terrorist attacks. TSA has done every terrorist a favor. They no longer need to take flying lessons to blow us up. Now, hundreds of Americans wait in line in a TSA manufactured kill zone for the next would-be bomber.

Russia has already learned this lesson the hard way:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12268662

Security contracts for the United States government, either private or public, either union or not, have absolutely nothing to do with providing security. Anyone with a reasonable amount of suspicion and investigative ability will look at the billions of dollars spent on "security" over the last ten years and recoil in horror. Catching terrorists is an afterthought, if even a thought at all.

Security contracts are subsidized graft. The friends of the Bush administration are high-fiving themselves and dancing in piles of taxpayer money.  They manufacture threats, earn billions in government contracts, and provide nothing but tools of control.  TSA employees represent the foot soldiers (goons) every conqueror requires.  You represent the public opinion that every tyrant relies on.

David in Qatar

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#17) On March 03, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

blake303- So I suppose you wouldn't mind a random strip search if it were for your own good?
  Maybe a "cavity check" a couple times a week- for your own and others "safety and security"?
  Maybe put "bugs" in every bedroom- who knows what is being plotted or where, or when. I think bathrooms too. You never know.
  Wait, these plots could be formulated non verbally. We need cameras too. You'd be OK with that if it's for your own good. Right?
 Back to Franklin- You can bet the Brits (had the technology existed) would have embraced the idea. 
  Think this thru.  Best
 

 

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#18) On March 03, 2011 at 7:13 PM, whereaminow (45.40) wrote:

BTW, the TSA has never caught a single terrorist.  Please Google the phrase "how many terrorists has the TSA caught?"

David in Qatar

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#19) On March 03, 2011 at 8:08 PM, blake303 (29.26) wrote:

Starfirenv - You didn't leave anything to think through. It's not quite the slippery slope you want it to be. If authorities have good reason to believe there is a bomb in my ass, I will gladly submit to a cavity check. And if bombs somehow keep getting into my ass a couple of times a week, I guess the cameras will be necessary because damned if I know how they get there. Maybe I should stop eating explosives? I am OK with that because I don't like blowing up.

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#20) On March 03, 2011 at 8:24 PM, OneLegged (< 20) wrote:

I have changed my mind.  Why don't we all parade around naked whenever we are in public to help the TSA do its job better and to help stop the every impending terrorist attack.  That way the TSA  would only have to do body cavity searches and could save the expense of scanning us.  Why don't we submit a minute by minute itinerary of each day of our lives to Homeland Security to ensure that we stay safe?  If anyone strays from the the daily plan by more than 30 seconds it would make it easy because that person could then, perhaps, be immediately labeled an "enemy combatant" and then they could be held indefintely without charge.  What a perfect, safety-padded world we would be in then!  Utopia.

Better yet, bugger the TSA and and bugger Homeland Security.  What I do and where I go is none of their bloody business!!!!!!!!!!!  Why is it ok for TSA to grope peoples' sexual organs in the name of security and yet if I was to do the same action I would go to prison and have to register, for life, as a sex offender?  What a MASSIVE waste of money and personal freedom.

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#21) On March 03, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Ahhhh, "good reason".  I just crossed 6 Int'l borders in the last 5 weeks. They have "good reason" to search everybody.

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#22) On March 03, 2011 at 8:30 PM, whereaminow (45.40) wrote:

blake303,

For a second there I thought you were serious. Now I realize you're just messing around. Nice work =D

David in Qatar

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#23) On March 03, 2011 at 8:35 PM, HarryCaraysGhost (99.73) wrote:

I don't know if this is a quote or something I just thought of-

" A life lived in fear, is a life not worth living "

Seriously blake, your fears about what might happen will only serve to drag you down. And your and others fear serves the purpose of letting the government drag the rest of us down.

 

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#24) On March 03, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

 OneLegged- That is a great idea. Just be naked. If we stuck a banana in our butts, we could save the expense of those cavity searches.

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#25) On March 03, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Valyooo (99.61) wrote:

Blake,

Can you give me your username and passwords for all of your financial accounts?  I want to make sure you're not buying anything suspicious.

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#26) On March 03, 2011 at 8:39 PM, HarryCaraysGhost (99.73) wrote:

If this was a joke kudos, I was writing my reply after comment #18.

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#27) On March 03, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Blake- You said " If you want to put your first protest to better use, speak out against U.S. foreign policy before you protest technologies that attempt to delay its repercussions."    That's some really good advice. Love your sense of humor. Best

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#28) On March 04, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Turfscape (39.49) wrote:

Cato wrote:
"Ask the young men and women in Lybia today that fight for freedom if they understand the sentiment expressed by Dr. Franklin 230 years ago. I am sure the answer would be a resounding YES!"

Hey Cato...remind me to buy you a beer sometime!

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#29) On March 04, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Turfscape (39.49) wrote:

Blake wrote:
"If you want to put your first protest to better use, speak out against U.S. foreign policy"

Why would you not support a repressive, imperialist foreign policy if you admire the repressive, totalitarian domestic policy?

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#30) On March 04, 2011 at 3:46 PM, blake303 (29.26) wrote:

Valyoo - I'm happy to give you my account information. Despite today being payday, they are completely empty so feel free to contribute more than you can afford. I will also give you my Twitter account info, so you can let the world know what a rockstar I am. 

Turfscape - Who cares about body scans, foreign policy or domestic policy? I'm an F-18 bro.  

 

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