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Idiot of the day: Gingrich

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April 09, 2010 – Comments (10)

When will these idiot politicians learn the meanings of words they use? Sure, it's OK for a Republican leader to be allergic to "Socialism", or even to see the image of the dreaded S word in the most pro-corporate piece of legislation that Republicans always dreamed about but were afraid to ask. It is much harder to see why Gingrich would have any trouble with the other S word, "secular". According to Wikipedia, "secularity is the state of being separate from religion." Wikepedia further explains: "Most businesses and corporations, and some governments, are secular organizations. All of the state universities in the United States are secular organizations (especially because of the First amendment of the United States Constitution)".

So it is not exactly clear why Mr. Gingrich was so shocked to learn that Obama's government machine was in fact secular,  just like the government machine under all 43 presidents before Obama. I think it's because Gingrich never read the text of the US constitution or maybe because he thinks that "secular" means "socialist".   

"The most radical president in American history has now thrown down the gauntlet to the American people: 'I run a machine. I own Washington and there's nothing you can do about it,'" Gingrich said. He urged his fellow Republicans to stop what he called Obama's "secular, socialist machine." 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_us/us_republicans_gingrich 

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#1) On April 09, 2010 at 2:28 PM, RainierMan (80.24) wrote:

I've stopped thinking of political rhetoric in terms of whether it makes sense or not. It's all about tearing down. Words mean nothing anymore, beyond what they can do to your opponents, or what emotion they can evoke in the electorate. It's sad, but that's the way it is now. Now we're "socialist" and "dictatorial". Right. Whatever. Good luck with your election, Newt.

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#2) On April 09, 2010 at 2:31 PM, JakilaTheHun (99.94) wrote:

Bill O'Reilly throws around the word "secular" in demonizing ways, as well.  I'm assuming he popularized the trend.  But it seems like a particularly idiotic word to try to negatively label people, because, as you've said --- the United States government has always been secular.  That was one of the basic ideas behind our government --- we had people of many different religions, so a state church would have torn the nation apart; hence, we adopted a policy of secularism and tolerance. 

Criticizing Obama for being "secular" is almost like criticizing someone for being "Constitutional".  It really makes no sense to me, either. The implied statement behind Gingrich and O'Reilly's phrasing seems to be that they want a religious-oriented govenrment and possibly a state church.  

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#3) On April 09, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Melaschasm (64.30) wrote:

What is your complaint.  Secular socialist machine seems to be a reasonably accurate description of the Obama Administration. 

The quote in the article does not seem to indicate that secular is somehow evil, but considering that Newt seems to change his politics with each shift in the wind, it is possible that the rest of the speach gives some reason why we should be concerned about his statement.

Even if Newt's satement was meant in the worst possible interpretation, that would not even deserve an honorable mention in the stupidity of politicians. 

sec·u·lar: 5. Occurring or observed once in an age or century.

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#4) On April 09, 2010 at 2:52 PM, starbucks4ever (97.12) wrote:

#3,

That's why he is the idiot of the day, not of the year or century. 

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#5) On April 09, 2010 at 3:02 PM, davejh23 (< 20) wrote:

"That was one of the basic ideas behind our government --- we had people of many different religions, so a state church would have torn the nation apart; hence, we adopted a policy of secularism and tolerance."

Just because the government isn't run by a church doesn't necessarily make the whole idea behind our government secular.  The idea behind a separation of church and state didn't mean that there weren't religious influences in our founding fathers' work...it just meant that the church shouldn't control the government...nothing more.

In any case, the word secular is commonly used in investing vocabulary, and it has nothing to do with religion:

sec·u·lar: 5. Occurring or observed once in an age or century.

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#6) On April 09, 2010 at 3:16 PM, rlchapman (65.29) wrote:

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There are alot of people that want to see more religion (specifically Christianity) in government.  Separation of church and state was about keeping the state out of religion, not as much about keeping religion out of the state. 

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#7) On April 09, 2010 at 3:17 PM, starbucks4ever (97.12) wrote:

#5,

Most investors use "secular" as in "secular bull market", i.e. meaning "tong-term", but not once in a century. But I don't think Gingrich would ever term Obama's regime as "secular". If anything, he must be hoping that we are currently in a secular Rebublican trend :)

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#8) On April 09, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Turfscape (41.29) wrote:

Well...see, "Republicans" like to say that they are "against big government"...but what they mean is "government needs to be replaced with Church". Newt would enjoy nothing more than to be among the Dogieri of the U.S....a true Prince Archbishop. That way he controls your state and soul.

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#9) On April 09, 2010 at 3:29 PM, whereaminow (< 20) wrote:

If you stick to just "Gingrich is an Idiot", or also acceptable is Fraud, Conman, Criminal, Waste of Taxpayer Money, Sycophant, Leech, Parasite... then I agree.

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David in Qatar

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#10) On April 09, 2010 at 3:48 PM, ocsurf (< 20) wrote:

"Fraud, Conman, Criminal, Waste of Taxpayer Money, Sycophant, Leech, Parasite.."

I thought of Nancy Pelosi with that comment.

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