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December 30, 2010 – Comments (8)

In 43 BC, over 2,000 years ago, warring consuls Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian were duking it out with each other over control of Rome following Julius Caesar’s assassination the prior March.

Each had legions at his disposal, and Rome’s terrified Senate sat on its hands waiting for the outcome. Ultimately, the three men chose to unite their powers and rule Rome together in what became known as the Second Triumvirate. This body was established by a law named Lex Titia in 43 BC.

The foundation of the Second Triumvirate is of tremendous historical importance: As the group wielded dictatorial powers, it represented the final nail in the coffin in Rome’s transition from republic to malignant autocracy.

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#1) On December 30, 2010 at 9:56 AM, kdakota630 (29.46) wrote:

I should've prefaced this blog by mentioning that the idea for reposting it originated with ChrisGraley in his blog regarding 6 flags theory which up until then I had no idea.  It has since very much piqued my interest.  

Living in Canada I don't think there's the same sense of urgency as someone living in the U.S., but I'm definitely going to look more into it.

 

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#2) On December 30, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Jbay76 (< 20) wrote:

Good article.  It appropriately comes on the heels of the 6 Flags Theory and is something to consider.  Ofcourse, in my readings of the 6 Flag Theory, you really need some cash to do this, and currently I am working madly to pay of student loans.  So, the idea of expatriating does sound good, even patriotic to the ideals of this country if you in fact see/beleive the country to be moving away from those ideals, and is probably more likely if you do to have the cash flow to support a PT lifestyle.

In fact, I never thought of expatriating as patriotic until right now, but it makes good sense.  Afterall, beign American means we follow/live a certian way of life, we believe in a consitution and Bill of rights that protects our rights to justice, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness. If our current situation/government is compromising those aspects that seperate an American from another country, we have a moral and ethical obligation to change it.  If the majority of avenues of change do not work, either through corporate invovlement, changing of laws to prohibit a previous acceptable action, all politicians become the sme regardless of what platform they side with, then the only logical and powerful action left is to walk away. 

If you stay, you agree with governments actions becuase if nothing else, you help fund their activities via paying taxes.  But if you walk away, you remove that option and therefore power from the government that has compromised the very ideals that our founding fathers believed in and used to create this experiment called America.

The analogy that comes to mind is the wife who stays with an abusive husband becuase she feels it is her duty to do so and help him out.  However, after years and years of abuse, it is apparent that the man will not stop and does not respect his wife to seek help.  And then one day, after much debate and with the heklp of the local community/family etc, she musters the courage to leave him.  After legal issues are delt with, she is free of him to start a new life with respect, and maybe the husband gets help and relizes the pain and suffering he caused his ex-wife.  Change happens becuase th wife leaves; pain, hardship, abuse, disrespect for life continues if she had stayed.  Who do you want to be?

In the end, life is a matter of perception, and we should all have the right to  process the same information differently, with exceptions of course.  My ability to perceive life a certain way and act on it ends when it adversely affects my neighbor.

So, on that note, Happy New Years all and enjoy a Rocherfort Ale.  Their brewery burned down last night for the 3rd time in their ~ 500 yrs of brewing.

 

Rambler out! 

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#3) On December 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, leohaas (31.85) wrote:

 "The PT's Six Flags Unfurled

First Flag
CITIZENSHIP

In addition to the passport of your native country, you should hold one or more passports from small, neutral and respectable nations. They do not try to tax their citizens living outside their territory, nor to draft them into military service. These passports should ideally allow visa-free access to as many nations as possible. For ease of travel, we recommend European Union followed by Latin American passports."

At least we know that the supporters of this movement are NOT patriotic Americans!

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#4) On December 30, 2010 at 1:44 PM, kdakota630 (29.46) wrote:

leohaas

Either you're being sarcastic, or you didn't read (or get the point of) the main article.

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#5) On December 31, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Harold71 (22.70) wrote:

kdakota630

Pay no attention to the government shill.  

+1

 

 

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#6) On December 31, 2010 at 12:39 AM, ChrisGraley (29.65) wrote:

I actually met Simon Black at a seminar in Panama.

I get e-mailed his newsletter daily.

I love leohaas jumping in and telling us how unpatriotic we are because we don't like the crumbs of freedom that he allows us to have.

The US gives the same tax dodges and privacy loopholes as every other country, but throws it's might around when the other countries succeed enough to cost it tax dollars. I'm sure everyone has heard of a Delaware corp, but does anyone even know about a New Mexico LLC? I can get one of those without even telling them who I am. It can own property or trusts. It can register cars. It can own gold, silver or foreign property. The problem is that if I'm a US citizen, I couldn't take advantage of it without breaking a slew of US laws. If I'm from another country though, I can clean up.

So let some liberal slob tell you how unpatriotic you are for not being taxed blindly while they go on a spending spree that will eventually kill the economy, and then respond by asking them why do they allow the same sins domestically that they are prosecuting globally?

The biggest realization that led me to the 6 flags theory was when I figured out that countries treat you better as a tourist, than they treat you if you are a citizen.

The minute that a country knows that it owns you, it doesn't matter if you are a patriot or not.

Leohaas, I'm US Army. I used to jump out of perfectly good airplanes to insure that you can stupidly tell me how unpatriotic I am. I'm sure you are more patriotic than me, please tell me where you served? An expert like you on patriots must have given a huge sacrifice to this country, so please let me know how I should focus my respect.

I'll tell you about another patriot. There's this jarhead named David that I know. He says a lot of stuff that I'd like to say. I'm not sure why he signed up for the Marines, but by his comments, I'd like to think that he signed up for the same reasons that I did. I'd like to think that he signed up because he wanted to make a difference. In a structured military world, there is really only one truth. You maintain a military decorum at all times. You trust your buddy. You don't quit. You don't question orders. You don't leave anyone behind. This is hammered into your head when you enlist and it is right. When you get a little successful in the military, you start hearing about how there is more than one truth. They like the fact that you don't question orders. You still get orders from military personnel, but they get orders from somewhere else. When you get to this level, you can write your own ticket as long as you don't question orders. When you hear enough of these orders though, you can't help but question them. If you have ever done a tour with a NATO unit and didn't shoot anybody, you are a better man than I am. I used to have so much pride for what I was defending. That was followed by shame for what I was defending.

Am I a patriot? I am actually not sure. I don't blindly follow orders anymore. I've never met a patriot that questioned whether I was a patriot though.

What are my plans? My plans are not to depend on any of you. My plans are to take care of my kids first. My kids are not going to bear the burden of stupid economics simply because you are good at selling it. If your best retort is to tell me I'm not a patriot because I'm not buying what your selling, then I'll make a point of flipping you the bird as I'm leaving. You can sell "The key to a good economy is to borrow yourself to the hilt!" crap to someone else. There are plenty of people waiting for you to tell them what to do and you were more than happy to tell them what to do as well. Guys like me bought gold and silver while guys like you told them it was a poor investment. Guys like me are still buying while you tell them it's a bubble. I'm different than you. I just tell people what I think and you want to tell them what to think. If they don't agree with me, I'll let them move on. I'm not desperate enough to question their patriotism.

In every Keynesian question that you can throw at me, I think about my kids before I think about my answer. You can buy or sell stupidity if you want, but my kids aren't going to surrender their rights enough for you to consider them to be patriots.

If that is what everyone else is striving for then I feel sorry for them. My kids have a right to be independent no matter how unpatriotic that you feel they may be.

I was born a man. My children were born men and women. They will not second guess their decisions because they are waiting for you to tell them whether or not they are patriots.

Tell me patriot, I can tell by your statements that you have never served in the military. Please tell me what makes you a patriot? What makes you a man? What makes you allowed to dictate your opinions of my patriotism? What makes you an expert? What gives you the right to judge those that disagree?

I've done more before 9 Am than you've done your entire lifetime and yet I'm not counting on the blind allegience that you are.

You can shoot me in the head and I'll be happy as long as you don't try to sell my kids on the whole debt = prosperity platform that you sell to everyone else.

I was born a man and I'll die a man. My children will not die subscribers to salesmen. They won't let politcal lackeys influence them enough to question their patriotism.

Anybody telling us to "like it or lump it"  should not be surprised when we lump it.

 

 

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#7) On December 31, 2010 at 9:10 AM, whereaminow (< 20) wrote:

Usually America patriotism = jingoism.  True patriotism.... I don't know what that really means.  Protect your family.  Protect yourself.  Protect those that fight for human freedom.  Beyond that, who really cares?

David in Qatar 

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#8) On January 03, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jbay76 (< 20) wrote:

+1 for CG's response.

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