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May 23, 2011 – Comments (19)

Thanks in part to huge investments in green technologies over the last decade, Germany had plenty of spare capacity when it decided to shut the old reactors. - Reuters

Must be nice to have Government mandated options available. 

Best wishes,

Steven

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#1) On May 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM, L0RDZ (81.87) wrote:

Don't look to Germany    ~   small  country that outsources most of their  work  to  Poland.

Who has more money than they know what to do with ?  GOV ment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsYVHZFukzc&feature=related

Huge wasteful investments in  junk  ~   had they spent that money elsewhere  those  so called green  technology would not have been.

Funny because when I was in Germany it looked dirty ?  not green.

 

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#2) On May 23, 2011 at 10:12 PM, portefeuille (99.60) wrote:

the article.

Germany copes without bulk of nuclear power

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#3) On May 23, 2011 at 10:27 PM, portefeuille (99.60) wrote:

Sustainable Development in Germany - Indicator Report 2010 (pdf)

(from here)

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#4) On May 24, 2011 at 8:24 AM, buffalonate (94.59) wrote:

If you put liberals in charge you would have 90% of the country with no power.  They would say no to nuclear, coal, and natural gas.  That would leave Texas and the Dakotas with plenty of energy to run on wind power but everyone else would be out of luck.  I prefer the Obama approach which is to do things that are achievable like energy efficiency and higher mpg standards for autos,new nuclear power plants, and then pump a lot of money into research and development of green energy.  Those things are actually achieveable.  The vast majority of energy experts will tell you wind and solar are not dependable enough to build an economy on.

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#5) On May 24, 2011 at 9:54 AM, ChrisGraley (29.85) wrote:

If they can't manage a popsicle stand, I wouldn't give them any more responsibility.

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#6) On May 24, 2011 at 12:32 PM, chk999 (99.97) wrote:

After liberals have been in charge of energy for a while we will be hearing how it is greener to do without electricity.

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#7) On May 24, 2011 at 1:18 PM, portefeuille (99.60) wrote:

Germany had a Green Party and Social Democrats coalition government from late 1998 until late 2007 by the way. And stuff considered left in the U.S. would usually be considered right wing (sometimes even ultra-right wing) over here. I guess Germany does just fine under communist rule, hehe ...

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#8) On May 24, 2011 at 1:21 PM, portefeuille (99.60) wrote:

2007

2005

That coalition was followed by a "grand coalition" government (late 2005 - late 2009).

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#9) On May 24, 2011 at 6:35 PM, devoish (98.21) wrote:

And stuff considered left in the U.S. would usually be considered right wing (sometimes even ultra-right wing) over here

I know Port, I know. When I was a young man the "right" was so far "left" of todays "left" we were in pretty good shape.

best wishes,

Steven

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#10) On May 24, 2011 at 7:18 PM, ChrisGraley (29.85) wrote:

A decade of blackouts will be fun.

Roughly 23 per cent of Germany's electricity comes from nuclear generators, about the same share as in the U.S. 

Higher prices for the next decade will be fun too

I'm gonna be short every German company that's not a running power plant for quite a while.

You guys make this too easy. 

 

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#11) On May 24, 2011 at 9:44 PM, devoish (98.21) wrote:

Stop the presses.  ChrisGraley discovers rising energy prices but the renewable solution - yet.

German electricity for next year rose from its lowest in two weeks as oil prices rebounded, signaling higher costs at power stations in Europe's biggest market.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/05/23/bloomberg1376-LLOXJY0UQVI901-2QINL0D2OCNG4S2P1H5SIQ85QB.DTL#ixzz1NKAUfnxh

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#12) On May 24, 2011 at 9:50 PM, ChrisGraley (29.85) wrote:

The region's benchmark contract closed as high as 60.55 euros on April 4, its strongest level since June 2009, as Germany shut reactors for a safety review after the Japanese nuclear disaster.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/05/23/bloomberg1376-LLOXJY0UQVI901-2QINL0D2OCNG4S2P1H5SIQ85QB.DTL#ixzz1NKBjEADE

Should have kept reading there sparky.

If liberals spent half the time that they spend forcing people to accept technology that doesn't work to actually try and make the technology work, we'd have renewable enegy everywhere right now.

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#13) On May 25, 2011 at 9:13 PM, devoish (98.21) wrote:

No. We'd still have an entrenched fossil fuel industry willing to say anything to stay that way.

I did read the whole article, Germany has choices we don't because they valued not being dependent on any one source and were willing to legislate to make sure they weren't. Here, we have you advocating that we wait for the oil industry to offer us some choices. When we need them - now - we don't have them.

Thanks for nothing.

Best wishes,

Steven

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#14) On May 25, 2011 at 9:21 PM, devoish (98.21) wrote:

Their energy costs went up because they chose to excersize the ability to shut down nuclear energy plants to be sure they are safe.

Here in the USA our Government can destroy a foreign Nation, but we cannot excersize prudent caution on our own soil.

Just doesn't seem smart to wait for another nuclear accident, maybe Entergy will close a few on their own and check them over.

Bet not.

Best wishes,

Steven

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#15) On May 26, 2011 at 3:17 PM, ChrisGraley (29.85) wrote:

Here, we have you advocating that we wait for the oil industry to offer us some choices.

I don't advocate any such thing. The oil companies will not and could not offer any solution to the problem. I'm also for removing the oil subsidies.

Their energy costs went up because they chose to excersize the ability to shut down nuclear energy plants to be sure they are safe.

Thank you for admitting that their electricity prices will go up which will hurt their economy and not help it.

Driving cars isn't safe either. Why don't we ban automobiles while we're at it.

Focus some of that energy on solutions instead of more problems Steven.

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#16) On May 26, 2011 at 7:42 PM, devoish (98.21) wrote:

You don't like my solutions. They are coming whether you stand in the road or not.

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#17) On May 26, 2011 at 8:06 PM, devoish (98.21) wrote:

And the solution was to follow Germanys lead, and use Government to promote clean energys over your objections.

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#18) On May 26, 2011 at 8:15 PM, buffalonate (94.59) wrote:

I think nuclear will eventually be our green energy of choice.  They are now designing smaller modular reactors that are made in a factory.  This will bring the cost of nuclear down 20% to 30%.  The chinese are also building pebble bed nuclear reactors.  This type of reactor covers their nuclear fuel in graphite which makes it impossible for the fuel to go critical.  They know this because they have tried to get it to go critical and could not achieve this.  Some combination of these two technologies will eventually be the green energy of the future.  Its fuel is also a less reactive form so it is less dangerous to store. 

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#19) On May 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, ChrisGraley (29.85) wrote:

You don't like my solutions. They are coming whether you stand in the road or not.

You don't have any solutions. Just a transfer of problems.

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