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August 31, 2010 – Comments (11)

So I got to thinking, you know how folks have argued that immigrants (legal and otherwise) will do the jobs that "we" don't want?

I'm calling BS on that one...how many folks do you think would take one of "those" jobs now? There is no job beneath you. If there is, you will suffer the consequences.

The sad part is that there are plenty with the ego and stupidity that would still turn the jobs down. I never bought the whole arugment in the first place. The way that is rationalized is absolutely bogus...two completely separate issues, immigration and jobs. I have had jobs before that I didn't want to necessarily do, but I did them anyway.

Fool on,

Jason

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#1) On August 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, russiangambit (29.42) wrote:

> So I got to thinking, you know how folks have argued that immigrants (legal and otherwise) will do the jobs that "we" don't want?

Or can't do. You know you can't just decide you are going to become an engineer or a scientist. This decision is already made at about 10-12 y.o. It is too late to decide that at 40 y.o after being a realtor or salesman for 20 years.

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#2) On August 31, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Griffin416 (99.98) wrote:

It is the agriculture jobs that Americans don't want or can't do. Not sure if this affects any stocks, but the price of lettuce will skyrocket next year. Why, because the main lettuce growing area is in Yuma, AZ where, I hate to say, but its true, all of the growing in done by illegal Mexicans. The lettuce growers will either need to hire expensive americans to do the labor or move the plant to another higher priced area.

On the Colbert Show, I am sorry I can't remember the name, there was a guy who challenged people of america to come and do the work. Hardly anyone showed up, and those that did gave up pretty quickly.

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#3) On August 31, 2010 at 12:08 PM, ETFsRule (99.94) wrote:

TMFJMo:

There are plenty of opportunities available for farm workers. All they have to do is apply at:

http://www.takeourjobs.org/

So far, they have recieved very few applications from legal US residents.

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#4) On August 31, 2010 at 12:17 PM, miteycasey (30.76) wrote:

how many folks do you think would take one of "those" jobs now? There is no job beneath you. If there is, you will suffer the consequences.

Not when unemployment and government benefits pay more than the jobs.I know several people who won't take a $10/hr job becuase unemployment pays more.

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#5) On August 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Griffin416 (99.98) wrote:

Thank you, ETFsRule, That was exactly what I was thinking of.

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#6) On August 31, 2010 at 12:46 PM, vriguy (75.99) wrote:

russiangambit hit the nail on the head. Too many Americans are unqualified for science, engineering, and medical jobs that require years of hard study and may be available. Blame whomsoever you want to for the situation, but that is the reality we face.

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#7) On August 31, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Melaschasm (54.38) wrote:

#4 exactly. 

Is anyone surprised that US citizens do not want jobs at below market wages?  Offer $200/hour and improved working conditions and you will have thousands of applicants lined up for every job opening.

There is a reason why a garbage man tends to make more than a Walmart cashier.

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#8) On August 31, 2010 at 2:05 PM, russiangambit (29.42) wrote:

> Is anyone surprised that US citizens do not want jobs at below market wages?  Offer $200/hour and improved working conditions and you will have thousands of applicants lined up for every job opening.

Which market, though? We are in the global market now and in the global market $5 per hour is a very good wage. People can continue kicking and screaming but they cannot change it.

 

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#9) On August 31, 2010 at 4:27 PM, leohaas (31.73) wrote:

True, some jobs require significant education and training and cannot be done by US citizens lacking in this area.

Also true that unemployment benefits may prevent someone from taking a job that pays lousy. But benefits are not without end. At this point, tens of thousands reach the end of their benefits each week. For those, a lousy paycheck requiring tough labor is better than no check at all.

But the illegal immigration issue IS connected to the job issue. As a matter of fact, illegal immigration is a classical class conflict issue. Here is why.

As a rich (well, upper middle-class) citizen, I love cheap labor. I hate cleaning my own toilet, mowing my own lawn, shoveling my snow, painting my house, and all the other chores that come with owning a home. I like it when others do them for me. I am willing to pay for that, but only as much as the market demands.

With so many illegals to pick from, I pay lousy. Quite a bit better than my cheapo neighbors, but nowhere near enough to make a decent living. The sheer supply of labor allows me to do this. I love free markets!

Unfortunately, there are also a lot of people in the US (citizens, legal immigrants, and illegals) who need to compete for my lousy jobs. For them, the endless supply of competitors means low wages. Take away the illegals and the others have far fewer competitors, leading to higher prices and a better living for the uneducated masses.

Bottom line: illegal immigration pits businesses, the rich, and the semi-rich against the poor. Finally the US has a real class conflict issue!

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#10) On August 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM, devoish (98.24) wrote:

I like hard work. I manage - which means I hoe - a small organic farm. I am fit enough to work in the fields, and most of the people who "won't do the jobs illegals do" would be in 1-2 months of doing them.

It is not aout the "work". It is about the working conditions and the low pay.

While you argue loudly for lower pay for Government workers, or union workers, or floor sweepers, or teachers, remember they will no longer be able to pay your salary either.

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