April 17, 2009
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Great stuff. We get all worked up and then Jon points out the hypocrisy on both sides.
David in Qatar
David, you ever get the feeling that you are living in a world filled with complete morons? Sometimes I think these people still think the world is flat and that there are literally 4 corners of it and the sun travels around the earth.
Can anyone provide a link other than the Comedy Cental one? It can't be viewed from outside the U.S., and I couldn't find it on YouTube.
LOL. No, I honestly don't but it's a funny thought.
A few years back, do you remember the History Channel series on the War of 1812? My Dad and I are big fans of that stuff. I was over at his house every night watching it with him. For those not familiar, the War of 1812 was a botched, miscalculated act of military and political manuevering from the start. The only reason America prevailed was that a hurricane (yes, an act of God if you prefer =D) swept down on British forces as they were burning down the capitol.
My dad has a way of phrasing things that just stick with me:
"It's amazing that this country has survived so many idiots."
Hopefully, we can keep that streak alive. We survived Bush, right?
I think this is the link for the same thing you provided, but a little longer. Good stuff.
Stewart is a national treasure and you're right, a big part of what makes him so good is that he doesn't cut any slack to the nuts on either end of the political spectrum.
I'm replying to you here rather than abetting your continued hijacking of someone elses blog.
Well, that was really creepy, even for you. If I didn't have a good reason to disengage from "discourse" with you before, I certainly have it now. Are you seriously stalking me or him now? Or do you have the time to literally scour Caps daily for any mention of your name? Wow! Whatever the answer I don't want to know. Get help.
I was in a discussion with FM. You are fully aware of that, and referenced it. I wanted to read his most recent post.
You got caught, plain and simple. Rationalize it however you must. You weren't courageous enough to criticize me to my face and now you're embarrased, as you should be.
David in Qatar
what is so hard to figure out about these protests? people are concerned about government spending being a significant fraction of the nation's GDP. how will they pay for it? massive increases in taxes or by inflating the money supply? or will a magic money fairy appear?
i objected when the republican controlled government spent beyond their means, why should these people not protest about even greater spending by the current administration? it is really an odd irony that the communist chinese have to lecture us on fiscal responsibility since they hold so much of our debt.
before reagan, the top marginal rate was 70%, i don't want to return to the 'good old days'.
Yeah I think the great tradgedy in all this is that you actually have groups like Fox sending people in and acting like they're some big part of the movement. It totally took away from the fact that this is generally a lot of people from very diverse backgrounds protesting the constant expansion of government spending and debt that a lot of us will be paying taxes on for years and years. Fox could burst into flames tomorrow though and the world would probably be a better place for it. That said, as David has proven, CNN isn't much better.
What really concerns me now though is we're potentially looking at new kinds of taxes and higher excise/lifestyle taxes. They're already pushing for a carbon tax, which is a nice way of saying that industry can keep polluting as long as they can force consumers to pay for it. This from an administration that is apparently pro enviroment. I wouldn't be surprised if people start talking about ridiculous European style gasoline tax if oil prices shoot up again either. Even if the economy improves or bottoms it's completely plausible that the average American family will find themselves with less money because of these taxes. I think there's a fair chance we'll see the taxes on the upper brackets just shoot up too as a way to placate some of the concern over all this.
I'm really sick of every issue turning into some big partisan hooha though. Have people flat out lost the ability to actually debate an issue or solve a mathematically proven problem? I'm 24 years old and I know that within the next decade there's a good chance that we're looking at a prolonged period of economic contraction, possibly another oil shock and huge increase in the draw on Medicare and Social Security that there's no money sitting around to back. You know there's actually people who think we have $11 trillion sitting around in a fund for their retirement still? It's gone and the government borrows against all the money that should be going into it each and every year. Meanwhile people have spent almost ~30 years sitting on their hands while their retirement was taken from them and spent on moonshot weapons systems or thrown at seniors for some nicer poll numbers. I love how people flaunt the merits of a single payer system when the goverment already pays for the bulk of medical costs in this country as is, and look at how well it's worked out for us. Personally if someone robbed me of my retirement funds and expected my children to foot the bill and the interest for it I'd be a bit pissed, but I guess that doesn't matter to a lot of people since they'll be dead before they have to see it all going down.
There's a lot of sentiment against the Fed too, which I understand. But really would we really be better off with our central under the direct control of our government? Really if they had all that power who's to say a dollar wouldn't be akin to toilet paper already. Given the free and loose fiscal policy we've seen from our government would we really be better off? How long would it really take for them to figure out they can just print more money to create the illusion of growth, hell they clearly figured it out with credit and lending.
On a lighter note the clip was hilarious. I'm glad Jon has backed away from some of the preachier stuff and gone back to just pointing how ridiculous the world is today.
OK How about this
I think that you area barely concealed tower of arrogance and an empty suit. I don't engage you directly anymore because IMO there is no one at the wheel. I think you are a poseur and here primarily to disrupt and gather a following. I see you as a guerrilla-sycophant. You don't stand your ground when you are losing an argument. You argue poorly but don't see your own logical fallacies or you wouldn't posit them in the 1st place. Which is why you don't or can't acknowledge them when they are shown for what they are; A vast edifice built on sand which requires thousands of words to carefully construct and buttress for stability. You have never acknowledged any of my attempts to be complimetary or to make the peace with you. But I make one comment about you to someone inabout as private a way as you can on Caps and you come whistling out of the shadows. Grow up. You cyber-eavesdrop and you're gonna hear stuff you might not like. Not every is going to like you. In fact you seem to cherish your quirkiness and certainly have been plenty rude to others. Your only acknowledgement of any of the legimate points I have made to your many weak arguments is that I see you've co-opted my critique of your style lately by accusing others (out of context of course since you apparently don't really get it yet) of Post ergo propter hoc. The very logical fallacy you're guilty of most consistently. Besides that of confusing opinion with fact , of course. It is pointless to try to show some one who is color blind that green is not red. You have ingested a massive amount of information and put it together into a worldview so obscure that by your own admittance your views/politics are without category; "Anarcho-Capitalist" I believe you wrote of yourself. Yet you've railed against the unbelievers with words like "slaves" and "pawns". Your behavior and persona are so widely inconsistent it borders on bi-polar. I find you tiresome, arrogant and irritating. You are a waste of my time but your ego and staggering over-confidence in your ablilities and opinions is so annoying to me that I ocassionally forget my better nature and react. But I've genuinely tried to leave it rest and not "pick on you" as you once put it.
Now if you'd like to continue to bait me or "discourse" as you put it, I could simply make a montage of some of the unprovoked assinine, rude, assumptive and flat out stupid remarks you have left a mile wide slime-trail of all over Caps. That wouldbe quite effective in make my points for me and to anyone who might read them. We might even get a bunch of your coveted "recs" which apparently then prove if someone is "right" or "in the majority" or at "the big boy table". Or I could simply do what I have been which is to let you alone to further hang yourself by your own petard. Your choice.
The sad part about this is that I actually liked you. I respected your passion and persistence. Those are good qualities. I never once attacked you on a personal level, and until I stumbled across your comment about me on FM's blog I had no idea that you harbored personal feelings towards me that extended beyond the academic disagreements. Now I see that you've harboring serious resentment, bordering on hatred. If that is what my picking on you brought out, it's unfortunate. So be it. I have no desire nor ability to make friends with everyone.
Go on your way, my friend. I wish you the best in all your endeavors. I'm positive you're a good person.