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July 01, 2013 – Comments (12)

First story was about  Verizon  selling out  and  giving up all their customers  information ~ call  logs  ~ internet ~ tracking from gps ~  etc  to  the  government.

Second story comes out about  prism.

 Than suddenly  all the others  also are implicated into  giving up  data to the  US  government.

Comedy Central  makes  the  most  informative  analysis  comparing  what happened  between  Hong Kong  and  the  US  involving  Snow   akin  to   a   sad  broken up lovers  who keeps  calling  the other  person only  to  go  straight  to voice mail or number being blocked.

When truth  becomes  treasonous .


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#1) On July 01, 2013 at 8:08 PM, L0RDZ (89.97) wrote:

What is  the penalty  for  people who deliberately  destroy  the  constitution ?   the  magna  carta  ? 

Amazing  that  we  are approaching  the  fourth  of  July  and  yet  the  spirit  of   true  freedom  is  being  tarnished.


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#2) On July 02, 2013 at 1:54 AM, awallejr (33.35) wrote:

So my family has to die because of your ridiculous idiocrocy.  I want terrorist cells tracked down and destroyed.  End of story.  I don't care that Verizon discloses information they already are viewing.  I want Russia to suffer the consequences for harboring a traitor.  Snowden is exactly that.  If he was a true whistleblower he would have followed proper procedure.  But he didn't.  That was his choice.  And my choice is to screw him for hurting my family.  Russia screw you.  We don't need you for anything.  You broke up as a purported "empire" because your own people don't support you. 

True freedom is about people behaving in a civilized manner.

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#3) On July 02, 2013 at 10:00 AM, drgroup (67.99) wrote:

" If he was a true whistleblower he would have followed proper procedure."

Are you for real?!! How could this guy have gone to any govt agency or news outlet that is not poisoned by the influence of potus. Snowden would have been thrown into a dark hole and silenced forever. His leaving this country was the only way to keep the AG holder from pulling his finger nails out and taking a hammer to his toes. Isn't it clear that this regime does not give a sthi about the rights and freedoms of our citizens... 

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#4) On July 02, 2013 at 11:17 AM, L0RDZ (89.97) wrote:

Following proper procedure ?  like how  the  military use to deal with  rape  victims ?  or  any  tyrant  who  has  almost ultimate control.

What honestly  do you think  would have happened ?  he would have been shown  the  door  and  fired,  perhaps if  they felt he  posed  too  great of a  threat  ~  under  national  security ~  bs  ~  he  could  have been  targeted  for  elimination.

So for  the so called bogus claim that  for  a  reduction  of  your  liberties  we  are  securing  your  safety ?  bull  honkey...  thats  a  lie.

Under  the  previous  two  administrations,  plenty of  people had  mysteriously  died,  not to play  partisan,  but  under  Bill  and  Hillary  Clinton  the  numbers  were  remarkable how  anyone who  was a  threat  to  come  forward ~  miraculously  died.

Bill  Clinton  took  the  stand and  flat  out   and  totally  under Oath...

LIED  his  fat  face  without  a  hitch,   " NO  SIR,  read  my  lips,  I  did  not  have  sexual  relations  with  that  woman..."

It  wasn't  until  he  was  made  aware  that she  saved a  dress  that  had  his  semen  stains  perfectly  preserved in  a  zipped up  in plastic  wrap  and  ready  to  get  tested.

That  Billy  boy  finally  came clean  and  in a  hell  frozen over moment  admitted the  truth  that  yeah  he had sex with her.

In  a  stranger  than  fiction moment  Had  he  not  had  serious  feelings  and  desires  to  pork  her  again,   he  could  have  under  current  ways  things  are  operating by  our  gov-ment,  simply  classified  the  matter  as  a  grave national  security  issue  and  he  could  have  eliminated  Monica.

I'll  say  it  again,  what  good  are laws  if  they are  secretive ?

WHat good  are  courts  if  they  have  secretive  courts  issuing  secretive  decisions.

Who  elected  this ?  where in the constitution  do  we  allow  this ?

Where are  our  troops  and  former  soldiers  who  have  bleed  and  seen  men  die  so  as to  allow  liberty to future  children.

Instead  we  are  indoctrinating  them  to  put up all their  real information  on  the net,  its okay, rolls eyes,  we  are  brainwashing them  and  scaring  them  into  submission  and  acceptance.

Under our constitution   monies   used  for  wars  are  not  to  exceed  a  two  year  time  frame.

But that  along with many other  things  simply  are  overlooked.

The  real  traitors  are  in  elected  and  unelected  offices in  government,  allowed  to  remain  because  they  label  anyone  capable  of  doing  something  an  enemy of  the state.

So if  Eric  somehow  gets  returned do you really think there is going to be an open  and  transparent trial  and  for  what ?

Refusing to follow  illegal  and  unlibertarian  command  structure.

Its messed up  we  want  to  crucify one of  our own  and  enable  real  combat  captured  terrorsists  sent  to  g-bay  with  civil  trials.

The potus  has  used  a  seldom used  law  from  a  defunct  era...

The potus  has  ordered  for  the  spying on  reporters  so  as to reign  in  on  those who  leak  information  he  has not  deemed  to leak,  meanwhile  his  lackeys  get away with leaking when its  convenient.

I  don't want  any  family  to die,  but its  not right what  is  happening.

Its wrong  when  the laws  have to  be changed  retro-actively  to protect  Verizon ~  ATT ~  and  the many others  from  lawsuits.

Law is law  until  its  inconvenient  or  secretive.

Snow didn't hurt your  family.

Wake up.


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#5) On July 02, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rehydrogenated (33.88) wrote:

On every website I see people who are willing to give up their freedoms for the illusion of safety. Can anyone think of something I can sell these people?

Maybe something that tracks their every move and beeps at them when they are approaching a terrorist? There has to be something...

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#6) On July 02, 2013 at 7:31 PM, awallejr (33.35) wrote:

Here's a link of people that did go through proper channels.  They had a rough time but they didn't run.  These procedures are put in place for a reason, what if the person's "whistleblowing" wasn't legitimate, you don't want secrets and activities divulged publicly because once let out you can't retrace.

Hate to tell you this but there are a bunch of people out there that want you dead.

The whistleblowing has to involve misconduct or illegal activity. So far the only thing I heard by Snowden was the NSA creating a telephone call database.  That is neither misconduct nor illegal.  As I said elsewhere, people do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy of making a call since anyone at the phone company can see it.  Content is a different matter, and if enforcement officials want to view content they must seek judicial review.  

I find it curious that Snowden withdrew his request for asylum in Russia after the Russians told him it was conditioned on him not publishing anything that would be harmful to the US.

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#7) On July 02, 2013 at 9:09 PM, L0RDZ (89.97) wrote:

Wow aren't you thick headed...

Snow leaked that  they  ~  nsa  types  were  basically or had  the  capability  to  look at screens  as say Lordz is  typing  this  reply on  Fool  dot  com...  they can watch you hit  the keys,  back track  and hit preview or reply  or say escape.

They basically didn't need to bother to seek any special court decisions...  ummm my bad excuse me...  secretive  special court...

That thru the turn of a switch or a  few keys  they were basically capable of  reading and viewing everything.  Total voyeurism...   Sort of  like  catching  some  pervert  in  your  bushes  basically wacking off  as  they view you...

Total creeper...  sicko  capabilities...   they probably  could even  turn  on  your  cameras and  watch you as you type on your  keyboard..

They can than basically track your gps or phone by location and  SNow  basically  has had enough...

I say bs...  you should have some  expectation of  privacy on calls you place... especially if you are a  paying  the phone bill and all those bs additional taxes they seem to pile on...

F  the gov-ment  and  their voyeurism... creeper we are big  brother  bs...  that is  for  limp wrist  wimps  and  apologists  like  yourself  AWALL... 

The phone companies  knew this was wrong and that they could and would be  liable under the laws  so they forced the gov-ment to retroactively  change the laws to prevent people  from being  able to sue  them on  such grounds...

Read the constitution...   this  is almost  akin to minority  report  where  they spy  and  attempt  to  arrest and or  kill  persons  before they even commit  any crimes..

There are  higher laws  than the laws  that men change whenever  it  suits  them...    And  I'll say this again... its  flipping  wrong...  don't  waste my  tax  money  that  you force  from  me...  under  duress of  punishment and  imprisonment  to  pay  for  idiots  to spy and  record  my  activity... and those of  my  fellow  citizens..

Shame on Obama...  and  anyone  else apologizing and going along with this  blatant  tyranical   wiping of  governmental  butts  concerning  the fourth amendment..

I thought  we  were past the  thought of   Ultra powerful kings  who could  simply  intrude into our homes and  lives  at a moments  notice..

Likewise  stay out of  citizens  emails/...   physical mail...  etc etc...

Now instead of  Kings   we  are told  we  have special  secretive  courts  and  no you can't  look but  trust us...  this is  good  for you..

Most  Americans  distrust   ordinary  courts  let  alone  these secretive  courts  of  so called Law...

Laws  that are secretive  can  hardly  be  considered especially  when  they make  rulings  in  the  dark  away from scrutiny or  public  review..

The issue  Awall  is  that   basically  the  NSA  was  beyond  having to have to seek any approval  ~  basically  they can  view all they want  and  only say after  the  fact  seek   some  secretive court  approval  before   even bothering  to  bother seeking some courts approval.

Its  sad  that  only  one  person  working   and  in this case only a  contractor  thought or  had  the courage  to   say something.

In  Snow's  case  his   decision  cost him a  6  figure  cozy job  supporting  the  nsa  and  cia...

Sadly  the  potus  came out to say that spying is okay...  and tolerable...  he tried to make a joke saying that the world is  concerned with trivial  facts like what he  had  IE  for  breakfast...

ANd as  such  that  its okay and to be expected that we spy on one another...


makes  crazy  spinning  hand  pointed finger towards side of head sign language  image...  to   demonstrate how crazy all this is.

Its messed up when  we  go  from  President Nixon  resigning  for  way way less  to   the  current Potus  saying  its okay to intrude.


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#8) On July 03, 2013 at 2:00 AM, awallejr (33.35) wrote:

Lordz I am a believer in the "rule of law."  Nothing you can say will change my mind.  Look at history.  It is basically a compendium of wars.  Royalty or dictators or warlords controlling the lives of the masses.

Now, at least, we have laws that control behavior.  Abuses, I suppose, can occur but that sure as hell beats me being thrown in a cell because of what I am blogging here.

We have Habeas Corpus, which means if you, as an American citizen, were imprisoned falsely you HAVE TO be produced before a PUBLIC Court of Law. They can't shuffle you away.  And guess what you aren't even on anyone's radar. No one cares.

You and I and anyone blogging here are free to babble.  NO ONE is watching you. NO ONE. Especially in light of the recs around here.

But Snowden is a different story.  He is a coward.  If what he has to disclose is legitimate then let him stand his ground HERE.  Truth win out. Russians don't want him.  Chinese don't want him.  Let him run to Iran or Venezuela.

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#9) On July 03, 2013 at 10:21 AM, L0RDZ (89.97) wrote:

LOL...  yeah  obviously  AWALL  you haven't been paying attention.

Trust me  someone is a watching,  I can feel them in my system when  the screen mysteriously  reflashes  and  reloads, when the point tracker gets slowed  down,  when the keyboard's letters typed seem  to lag  for no good reason.

Even as an american  citizen  the  bacon packing  gov enforcers  and  street thugs  can  detain  you  for  no  cause,  they  can  harass  ya,  ask  you stupid  questions  like where are you going ?  and  show me  your  id.

Heaven forbid  you  happen to be  a  wrong  skin color or  deemed a  threat  in  case  you reach back into your  pockets  and  get  blown  away  when  you pull out  your  wallet  and  they think gun and  shoot  first  and  ask  the  next question  postmortem.

Who knows  maybe  they  plant  guns and or  drugs on you  and  or  claim  you made a  threatening  gesture.

Ever see the article where they show  how many people  the  FBI  had  shot  and  or  killed  and  they have  the  gaul  to  claim  that  everyone  was a  justifiable  shooting ~  even   when they mistook  students  for  bank robbers.

James Madison made the point way back. One of the founding fathers. They were not dumb. They may have been rich and white and reactionary and slave holders but they weren't dumb. Madison said the best way to infringe on liberty is to create an external menace.


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#10) On July 03, 2013 at 1:06 PM, awallejr (33.35) wrote:

The only people watching you are the hackers, trust me you and I just aren't that important in the scheme of things.

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#11) On July 04, 2013 at 8:10 AM, drgroup (67.99) wrote:

Awall... if the gov't is not interested in monitoring the internet traffic of individuals, then why are they harvesting emails and recording phone calls of everyone? Oh, I know... just to stay in practice so they can catch the "bad" guys. Who determines what a bad guy is.. potus. Maybe you should start to contribute more to his endless campaign so you can sleep better at night knowing you are on the good boy list!!  

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#12) On July 04, 2013 at 5:56 PM, awallejr (33.35) wrote:

It isn't hard to understand the value of tracking phone calls made.  You have a known terrorist making calls to people for example.  You don't think it prudent to investigate who they are calling and why?

Well the cat is out of the bag to the terrorists thanks to Snowden so I suspect those "bad" guys, the ones that want to see you and I dead, will make adjustments.

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