March 19, 2010
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Jackson Lee (TX)
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Well, hopefullly - for you - you'll work harder against them than I'll work for them. You'll have to work pretty hard!
I'm not working for your side or the opposite side. (I don't agree with them much either)
The fact is that you are pulling out all stops and putting your agenda above the will of the people.
When you run on a platform of change, expect apathy when the change is for the worse.
The sad thing is that most of your party doesn't even want this bill, but you are afraid of the image of failure more than you are concerned with fixing health care.
So go ahead and vote for the bill that you don't like, to show solidarity. Tell the public that it will cost them less and wait the 9-15 days for the media to figure out that it actually costs more when you take into account the money that you robbed from social security and the "doc fix" expenditures that you promised to the AMA, but didn't include in the bill.
Then see how the public feels about you passing a bill that they are against with the slaughter solution, where you are not even willing to attach your name to it because you know it is political suicide.
Then watch as your party gets voted out of office and a lot of the key points of the bill get repealed by the other party because the only way that you can make them palatable enough to vote on was to push them way out into the future.
As soon as the bill passes be prepared for the lawsuits from the other party and a majority of states. Be prepared for impeachment at least being mentioned.
The public wanted jobs because they were hurting.
Your group ignored the pleas and decided that health care was more important.
It's the people without the jobs that suddenly broke the law because they can't afford the mandated health care that will fry you.
Imagine a painter that the public hired to paint their house red and decided to paint their house green because they had got a bunch of green paint for free.
Even if they claim to be color blind, should the public hire them to paint the house the next time?
I don't have to work in this scenario.
All I have to do is wait for the results and post the names again come election time.
When you know you are doing something wrong and do it anyway, you deserve what you get.
The same thing applies to your party as does the other party.
Every party seems to forget those rules when they are in charge.
Its a mess in general we should have done more for jobs we should be improving infastructure and creating incentives for teachers to do more to achieve more and create incentives for students to do better. Yes healthcare costs too much but its the least of our worries unfortunately no one gets that and I dont hold public office nor do I have a lobby.
I just emailed my 1000 word letter to one of the Democrats on this list, who is also my Congressman, to change his vote or else! The U.S. is headed for a debt downgrade on its sovereign bonds before the end of 2010, in my humble opinion.
I explained that a vote to add new taxes and deficit spending now is pure insanity, and I will send money to any opponent of his in the future, for any public office he may want.
Quite the opposite of President John Kennedy's book "Profiles in Courage" which outlined some of the important and close votes to save this great republic, those voting to increase federal intrusion in the free market, add new layers of paperwork and complexity to the health care process, plus push the U.S. further into debt and another step closer to bankruptcy do not deserve to be called "leaders" or have any position of leadership after Sunday. Books may be written in the years ahead outlining the demise of America, and some of our current leaders may be included in chapters of the novel to be named, "Profiles in Stupidity!"
Health Care reform is something we can tackle after getting our existing spending under control and raising taxes to pay for our incredibly underfunded government programs already up and running. If we do not make large cuts in federal deficit spending soon, we are in deep trouble economically, perhaps deeper crap than what happened in 2008 and early 2009.
I am reading much talk on internet chat boards this afternoon about large scale marches on Washington DC next week if the House does pass this bill! Holy moly - Batman, does Congress realize what is at stake? If debt downgrades come, interest expense on our existing debt obligations will skyrocket and we will not be able to afford fixing our roads, social security payments at present levels, unemployment benefits, defense spending anywhere near our world domination number of today, etc. etc.
Huge economic imbalances are not being addressed and are getting worse each day, but we are debating about radically changing how 20% of the economy works, when unemployment and real economic output have stagnated. Arrogance and political paybacks above all else, I guess.
Our politicians are counting on U.S. forgetting about this vote in a few short months. The November election is a real chance to remake Congress in OUR image, instead of the prepackaged and bought lobbiest and special interest kind. I recommend all citizens that want to see the current American way of life continue and prosper, consider all the consequences for themselves and their children of what is happening in Washington right now.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror, if a yes vote leads to a loss of faith by foreigner investors in American resolve to control spending and stabilize the value of a Dollar, while you sat by and did nothing to try and prevent it? Higher interest rates from a debt downgrade of Treasuries in the fall months, will likely lead to a double-dip recession at the end of 2010, into 2011, with ever greater deficits, higher unemployment, and yet more idled and decaying productive assets.
I implore YOU to stand up right now and do something about it....Write your Congressman tonight or tomorrow, and if you live close to Washington DC prepare to mobilize next week to march on the Capitol and let your voice be heard, before we are no longer able to do so. This is a truly serious vote, and it has little to do with health care. It has everything to do with OUR financial future and the direction you want as a voter and conscious, independent human being.
If the will of the people and common sense no longer matter in Washington DC, what have we become, at what cost, and what does that say about our future? A real turn in confidence about this country's future may be at hand, with loads of anger about to be released on current office holders, who do not understand voter desires for a "limited" government role and size in the economy. This desire dates back to our founding fathers; we are no longer Americans, by definition, if we follow the European examples of large scale government intervention in all aspects of life, health and the pursuit of happiness.
I don't agree with the thoughts that these congress people will be voted out. I don't think the turnover will be that high for the following reasons:
1) history shows that there isn't much turnover
2) everyone hates everyone else's congress person, but their own.
3) there are too many on the dole
4) there are too many that believe that gov't has the solution.
5) there are too many people that believe the gov't has an endless supply of money.
6) my congress person brings home lots of bacon and is well connected.
Is it possible? yes. Would I like to see it? yes Would this country be better off? yes Is it probable? NO
If you want to change America, YOU will have to work hard to make it happen, as will I and millions of others. If we don't speak now to our family members, neighbors and co-workers about our feelings, and don't send money and votes to candidates that are serious about changing our course, we will continue to get more of the same... I completely agree.
I am afraid many Americans are waking up intellectually too late for this debate, and once the Treasury debt downgrade happens in the fall or winter months of 2010, Humpty Dumpty will have already fallen off the wall, and NO election will save America after this November. As George Soros, Charles Munger and many of the greatest investors of all-time have stated in the last month publicly, when the next crisis hits, the FED and Treasury are out of bullets to save U.S. and a new depression (most likely with hyperinflation resulting) will forever destroy America's standing in the world and economic wealth.
THIS SITUATION IS DIRE, RIGHT NOW, MARCH 20, 2010.... Not at some point years down the road. I am amazed how drunk with optimism and greed investors have gotten on the "illusion of properity" the government has created in late-2009 and early 2010. Once this short-term party has ended, the hangover and massive debt, deficit position we are left with, will slow economic growth for DECADES, and allow any simple shock to the economy to turn into a recession.
HYPERINFLATION AND EVER GREATER BORROWING AND MONEY PRINTING WILL BE OUR ONLY COURSE OF ACTION TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. If you knew for a FACT this to be true (Soros, Munger and thousands of other smart Wall Street minds are coming to this conclusion), would you be more inclined to work hard against ADDITIONAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND TAXATION WE CANNOT AFFORD?????
WE MAY HAVE REACHED THE END GAME FOR THE UNITED STATES LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THE WORLD. If the government is headed to bankruptcy, we will not be paying out funds for existing Social Security and Medicare health programs... You can forget about money for new programs AND ALL EXISTING spending...by 2014. A VOTE "YES" ON HEALTH CARE IS REALLY A VOTE "NO" ON THE 230-YEAR EXPERIMENT OF DEMOCRACY, CAPITALISM AND FREEDOM. It is really that simple, if you understand the math of our mammoth debt position (everyone knows we can never pay back including Obama, Bernanke, Geithner and our gracious Asian sponsors).
Adding the $5 trillion in government backed Fannie and Freddie mortgage obligations "acquired" in the bailouts during 2008 and 2009, to the roughly $14 trillion in outstanding Treasury debt by the end of 2010...
The per capita debt (each citizen's share) total is now around $63,000. When you look at your personal finances, be sure to add your family/household share of the national debt to your calculations... The average household of 3 is on the hook for nearly $200,000 in government debt in 2010, and this total is growing by $15,000-$20,000 YEARLY, as projected by Obama's ROSY budget forecast the next 10 years.
The "savings rate" data increase in 2009 and early 2010 put out by the Federal Reserve is quite laughable as the federal budget debt increases each year is a multiple of 3 or 4 times the increase in "savings." America is actually "spending" an extra 10%-15% BEYOND OUR INCOME EACH YEAR. Inflation adjusted wealth and standards of living are decreasing markedly now each year... from the debt load and related expense. Year over Year inflation rates are between 2%-5% right now, interest rates are zero, bond values for investors are falling as interest rates rise from the debt load, real estate values are falling, unemployment is increasing, and the situation will only get WORSE with yet more government spending and taxation from a takeover of Health Care.
The ONLY bright spot we can point to regarding America's future is the stock market gain the last year, which is real and positive by the way. However, if we get a double dip recession in the economy from the steady rise in future interest rates and other potential shocks (i.e. Iran or China -centered political/military problems), business profits will plummet as will stock market prices AGAIN. The single scariest stat to consider about the stock market is: despite the greatest calendar year gain in modern history for stocks, mutual funds barely saw a net increase in new investment/capital inflows!!! Baby-boomers and unemployed Americans are now net sellers of stocks FOR INCOME to live on.
We have turned the corner and Americans are now net/net sellers of assets to live on and finance our debts. MORE DEBT & MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING & MORE TAXES WILL GENERATE MORE ASSET SELLING, MORE UNEMPLOYMENT, MORE FRUSTRATION, MORE ANGER AT POLITICIANS & MORE CHAOS IN THE WORLD. The math and logic is very simple, if you get your calculator out and quit listening to TV and reading the information put out by the mainstream press.
You guys should seek mental help, complete idiots that refuse to accept this country is the greatest and always will be.
Federal Reserve head Bernanke has promised never to raise interest rates again, and I have been promised on authority by my representative in Washington, America's debt will never be downgraded no matter how much we borrow.
Further, the Wall Street Journal has promised me that China cannot find any other investments for their trade surplus money besides U.S. Treasury bonds.
America rocks and will never see hard times ever again because Timothy Geithner and Obama have told me so, they live on TV you know. You guys live in a fairy tale world, get a life!
Obama got $20 million from the Healthcare industry
"List of Congressmen most likely not being elected to another term"
Do you think this statement is useful (but false) or do you actually believe it?
In the future, I would appreciate it you used an asterix (*) to indicate false claims. Would make reading your posts less confusing.
Chris - so is it a gift to private industry, or is it socialism? It would be significantly impossible for it to be both.
I haven't paid much attention to the whole circus disgrace, but knowing my history, I bet it's a gift to a few well connected CEO's and definitely not socialism. The Democrats always talk up socialist ideas but give us fascism, much in the same way the Republicans always talk up free market ideas and give us fascism.
I'd be shocked if this bill was any different.
David in Qatar
I'm sure it's generous enough to the insurance industry, if they're allowing it to pass.
I wish you wouldn't say fascism, though... it cheapens the word (god knows it's hard enough to define, and it's already essentially a synonym for 'bad'). I know you can make the point more eloquently and precisely.
It is clearly written in the U.S. Constitution (nobody reads or follows that old-timer, toilet paper poem) that we as citizens have a God-given right to free money forever from the Federal Reserve for our banks, free money from the government if we don't want to work (or cannot find a job that pays enough), government run and paid for health care since I cannot afford it while I watch my cable TV all day, and bailouts from my house loan (I knew I could never afford the mansion in the first place, but hell the banks forced me to buy it), and when things turn sour every large-employer business and bank can count on government bailouts so we never have to experience the recession part of a natural economic cycle again.
If you are stupid enough to work hard and save your money with a private employer, I do not feel sorry for you. You deserve zero for interest rates on your savings, falling stock market prices over time, and the crummy lifestyle that you now have.
I sit at home watching MTV all day, and my life is easy with no stress, because Obama and the Democrats do a great job of taking care of me. The biggest stress I have felt in 2010 came watching the USA hockey team go down in defeat to Canada in the Olympics. I cheered loud and drank a case of beer, wasted energy and effort on my part I guess.
Obama has promised me, that from cradle to grave, I will be taken care of. Hell, I am an American and we deserve only the best, just because I suppose. I have never taken responsibility for any of my decisions, and if something major goes wrong in the world, it's because of those damn Muslim terrorists or those little Chinese people trying to take away my silver spoon. They are the favorite punching bags of those politician types in Washington who live on my TV. Republicans hate Muslims, and Democrats hate China, that's what I see on the boob tube anyway.
It's all there in the Constitution, at least my upgrade of the document that is now in 3-D technicolor, rewritten for modern times. The writers and framers of the ideas in the Constitution were a bunch of hicks and farmers from the country, anyway. Today we are civilized city dwellers.
#12) On March 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, ajm101 (54.11) wrote:
Do you think this statement is useful (but false) or do you actually believe it?
Umm I posted a list of names and a link. I know you guys are in the practice of putting words in someone else's mouth but it becomes obvious when you you try to do it in such a thread.
You probably do sit around all day doing nothing. You sure don't make stock picks here, and you sure don't say anything about investing in them (outside of complaining about the Fed).
I think the term "economic fascism" is pretty accurate, even more so than Corporate Statism, but you get the idea. It's the marriage of big business and big government. This bill will probably be more of the same.
I am not complaining, far from it. I love the way things are. The Democrats and Ben have bought my vote, they have nothing to worry about in November.
My caps score is about the same as yours around 50, average, and I haven't done anything to reach this lofty ranking. I want everyone to be as lazy and as average as me, no worries mate. I absolutely hate hard work, competition and profits, which stand squarely and equally with the current democratic platform of change.
noratehikes4ever (< 20) wrote:
My caps score is about the same as yours around 50, average,...
Bad week for you?
@noratehikes4ever - I'm sorry, it just looked like you had never made a pick on this site before, and had no rating. Almost as if you created an account just to spout political opinion.
@whereaminow - fair enough. it was petty of me to worry about semantics anyway, though I still have distaste of words that have lost meaning. Congrats on the new place.
I just opened the caps account this weekend. My point was, if I make 20 picks at random Monday morning, my score will be around 50, just like ajm101's.
@noratehikes4ever - I believe in accountability. I was down -2000 points last year, and now I'm positive again. I've been bumping around between 50-80 lately.
Republicans are a bunch of clowns. They are only standing up in the health care debate for political gain in the November election. We all know their game. Just read Rove's playbook freely available on the internet at: bargainwiththedeviltowinelections.com
If the Republicans were serious about cutting spending and slashing the deficit, we would not have gone from a balanced budget under my buddy Clinton's regime, to the Bush goofball's massive increase in spending for nearly every budget line, with a resulting swing to record deficits by the time he escaped office.
Thank God the Democrats are running the big show again. If they get the boot I may have to get off my recliner and actually look for a job again, and everyone around here knows I hate leaving my beer and potato chips at home.