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October 31, 2008 – Comments (25) | RELATED TICKERS: SKF , GLD , UDN

SUMMARY

I understand many believe Obama is going to win by a landslide, even Intrade has the odds for Obama. But in the back of my mind, I think McCain is going to win.


DETAILS

1. Obama will undermine the "Affirmative Action" many enjoy.
Many Obama supporters recognize Obama undermines the “victim class” and the “affirmative action" that many have benefited from.

The question would be "why do you need Affirmative Action, if the guy sitting in the White House has more melatonin then you and he is the PRESIDENT?" I believe in the back of many of the "victim classes" recipients an Obama victory undermines their story and government dole payout. So when the curtains in the voting booth are closed many will vote for McCain.

2. Young people do not vote, they go to rallies for fun. That is why they have to pay Social Security and Medicare to old people playing golf in Florida. Many Obama supporters think Obama is going to win by a large margin, and may not show up.

3. Old people do vote. Old people will vote for an old person aka the "devil they know", which is McCain. That is why the receive Medicare and Social Security from young people that are working at Subway and WalMart. McCain himself receives four paychecks from the government: Military retirement, Senate pay, 100% disability, I forgot the other one…

4. The Bradley effect theorizes that the inaccurate polls were skewed by the phenomenon of social desirability bias.[7][8] Specifically, some white voters give inaccurate polling responses for fear that, by stating their true preference, they will open themselves to criticism of racial motivation. The reluctance to give accurate polling answers has sometimes extended to post-election exit polls as well. The race of the pollster conducting the interview may factor in to voters' answers.

5. Many people, who normally do not vote will come out to vote against Obama. The world is racist. Sorry, people will vote based on race, people will come out of the "wood work" to vote against Obama. Look at the panic Lordz is having...

6. Although America has one of the largest governments (by cost) ever created, Americans are trained to hate socialism and tax increases. Many will come out to vote against Obama for fear of socialism. The inflation tax of printing money out thin air is not something most Americans understand.

7. Obama is also the "big unknown", people vote for "the devil they know", which is McCain.

8. Homer Simpson can show you another reason McCain will win:




THE MARKET

I believe McCain will rally the market in nominal terms. The FED has printed and created credit to move the market up Zimbabwe style. Ultimately, in real terms the market is heading lower. Also, McCain had Mr Enron, Phil Graham, as an advisor, McCain has referred to him many times.

Do you think Mr Enron Loophole Phil Graham cannot find some accounting tricks or FED/Treasury magic, to send the markets higher if it keeps them in power?


DISCLOSURE

I will be voting Third Party, I hope millions of Americans have the moral courage to not throw their vote away on either of these two candidates.




25 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On October 31, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Terok1313 (30.76) wrote:

I completely disagree with the majority of the above explanations.  That said, 1 rec for you for the simpsons clip!

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#2) On October 31, 2008 at 9:23 AM, EPS100Momentum (72.51) wrote:

You better hope Obama wins 

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=104000&t=01007468826027738866

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#3) On October 31, 2008 at 9:31 AM, abitare (31.93) wrote:

Terok1313, 

Many of my points are FACTS, you can provide your own.

EPS100Momentum,

Good posts good links. 

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#4) On October 31, 2008 at 9:35 AM, LORDZPAIN wrote:

DAng ARES, you got the LORD Z mentioned in yet another

BLOG.... sup with all the LORD Z references...

Lord Z while FYI suspended, is not freaking out, but he sees the joke that is the DEMI RAT party ~ whose only recent claim to fame is their elder statesmen who likes to stain other women dresses ~~~~ they actually look up to him like some sort of demi god ~~~~ extremely pathetic ~~~ especially since they were unable to beat the lifetime D+ student in BUSH JR, yet people need to realize that its DICK ~~~ DICK CHENEY who controls the throne ~~~~ please CAPS do not suspend me for utlizing the VICE presidents name in this ultra politically correct BS... oh my god the market is open CYA>>>>

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#5) On October 31, 2008 at 9:48 AM, LORDZPAIN wrote:

But if by chance Obama does manage the miracle and win, he will be the future laughing stock of one term presidents ~ as Bush Jr will be a laughing stock of two term residents of the white house.

This election (as are most) is a joke and Ares unfortunately your 3 party vote will be wasted......... 

You might as well as stay home and do drugs........ and drink strong brandy......  safeguard any weapons you may have.

ALSO FYI down with the infidels and the L Z are 2 different people.

 

 

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#6) On October 31, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Gemini846 (50.00) wrote:

2. Young people do not vote, they go to rallies for fun. That is why they have to pay Social Security and Medicare to old people playing golf in Florida. Many Obama supporters think Obama is going to win by a large margin, and may not show up.

3. Old people do vote. Old people will vote for an old person aka the "devil they know", which is McCain. That is why the receive Medicare and Social Security from young people that are working at Subway and WalMart. McCain himself receives four paychecks from the government: Military retirement, Senate pay, 100% disability, I forgot the other one…

These 2 were my favorite ones. Obama has been hanging out in FL lately to attempt to ensure that all those college liberals he's brainwashed really do actually go to the polls rather than the pool. The paper here in Pinellas County (West of Tampa) said that a remarkable 1.2M people have already voted. The turnout for "early voting" was remarkably democratic (no surprise w/ all those "cant wait to vote for obama" adds running around), but there were just as many "early" mail in ballots from republicans.

I got no less than 6 "request your mail in ballot" letters from different right wing groups on mostly conservative topics (2 on abortion and 1 on the suppreme court hinting about "liberal judges." 2 on Financial reform/taxes and 1 regarding the state legislature. My Mom voted early (and I promise it wasn't for Obama).

Senior citizens in nursing homes voting? You better believe it.

Technically I think McCain would get a social security check, but he makes too much and has to pay it all back. I wonder if they issue it to him anyway and then make him pay it at tax time. That sounds like something our government would do.

I found a great article off of something else you linked yesterday. I'm trying to find it. Basically it's a guy who was self insured saying he paid $65 out of pocket for his medical exam, but now that he was forced to get medicare (age 65) it costs him $115.

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#7) On October 31, 2008 at 9:54 AM, LORDZPAIN wrote:

Supposedly 14% of  registered voters have no idea who to vote for and Obama has a history of closing poorly...

Obama is not a closer.... and all the money in the world and all the television time and attack ads and lies will not be able to shield him from the truth....

The truth that his candidacy for Presidency is a flipping joke, its sort of like putting up the ugliest fatest girl as a joke for the home coming queen.

People need to wake up and check themselves before they foolishly wreck themselves and whats left of our greatest nation on the face of mother earth....

ANd you can take that to the bank !!!

 

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#8) On October 31, 2008 at 10:10 AM, DemonDoug (80.18) wrote:

I will put only one fact in opposition:

Poll numbers are done by telephone.

Young people overwhelmingly vote for Obama.

Based on federal regulations, pollsters are not allowed to call cell phones.

Many young people have cell phones without a landline.

Has this been accounted for?  Remember when Obama won NC in the democratic primary by a much larger margin than was polled?  This could be due to the "cell phone" effect, which may be just as big if not bigger than the bradley effect. 

btw, I agree with your assessment about the country being racist and old people voting for the familiar.  I know a lot of old people who are voting for prop (h)8 here in california, stodgy old codgers who would screw the younger generation and everyone else if they could.  As far as racism, Lordz is an anomaly because he actually is honest about his racism and lays it out there for the whole world to see.  Most people are what I called "closed door" racists - people who would rather chop off their right arm and kill their firstborn before voting for a black man.

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#9) On October 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Gemini846 (50.00) wrote:

You know if Colen Powell had run 8 yrs ago after Clinton I bet he could have won. Maybe the nation had no reason to vote for him though. I lost a lot of respect for him after he endorsed Obama. I understand he doesn't particularly like McCain, but Powell is now showing his racisim. Endorsing Obama isn't "By-partisan". He didn't come out and endorse Kerry or John Edwards who has many of the same views as Obama. It's because he's black.

It's like when you try to tell black people that Obama's race doesn't matter to you (I know it matters in the closet to some people, but not to me), and they call you racist anyway. They are the ones with the race problem.  I don't care that he's black, but I do care that he's a communist baby killer. They ignore everything they hold dear because they secretly think they'd get a better shake in life w/ a black guy in there. (Hell maybe they would, our country is pretty screwed up right now).

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#10) On October 31, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Option1307 (29.64) wrote:

Interesting thoughts Ares, it will be fun to see how this drama plays out...Wait, your voting third party? Why would you do that? I mean there is an excellant choice and clear distintion in the candidates between socialism and semi-socialism, clearly you could pick one of them.

Ok, just kidding, I will be joining you voting third party.

Your first point is rather striknig to me. I never have thouht about it that way. I would love the "victims" to no longer have an excuss if obama is elected. However I'm not so sure that this class/group would stop with the victimizing  crap. I can guarentee there will still be countless people complaining still even if obama is elected. Interesting point though.

Demon, valid detail to mention. I am a young voter and I don't have a landline...Worthless, use a cell phone, one less bill to lose in my house. Even with this in consideration, I do also believe that many young people are not voting this Nov. Many of my friends are exstatic about obama, but are not voting because they are "too busy". I feel this can mainly be attributed to what Ares mentioned above. They go to rallies because they are fun/cool/the in thing, yet they don't actually know his or McCain's policies. Thus they are not voting because the don't really care or understand the candidates, they are simply supporting obama becasue its the new thing to do, especially for young adults.

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#11) On October 31, 2008 at 10:42 AM, LORDZPAIN wrote:

Demon your accusation of someone who is to not be named as being openly racist is rather hurtful especially to that persons black friends.

What one person may claim as being open and honest, another person labels with uglier words.

Demon it almost seems like your a closet hater or someone who lives in a dream world, or has had the fortune to never experience tensions and the ugliness that being different brings.

So if being against NOBAMA and his bull redistribution and crazy ideas labels me a racist ~~~ so be it ~~~ I'll try and not let my bi racial son see his dad be accused of hating, based upon something as silly as skin tone.

 

 

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#12) On October 31, 2008 at 10:51 AM, lenri (71.33) wrote:

I also hope you are right about the victimhood crap, Ares. We will see. Frankly I would expect a lot of jockeying for position after January by the 'd's. Let's see how long it takes John Conyers and Jesse to bring up the reparation issue, one of their favorite subjects, if Obama is elected. It's going to get very interesting.

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#13) On October 31, 2008 at 11:07 AM, LORDZPAIN wrote:

DEMON  My right arm and first born is not up for trade... no matter what...

 

Happy halloween FOOLS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

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#14) On October 31, 2008 at 11:12 AM, socialconscious wrote:

Ouch Aries what is this post about?

1) I would love to see the day when people recognize for my knowledge.skills and abilities instead of seeing a Latino first. That day apparently isn't here. Obama or not people do not VOLUNTARILY hire ethnic minorities on every level at population rates. i.e. Latino and African Amercias make up 30% of the country!Yet are we 30 % of the CEO's? Racism mentioned in  3 and 4  provide the reason for affirmative action which is about fairness.

2) From The Washington Post

"In 2004, young people voted in the highest percentage they had since 1992, and in the third-highest percentage in the nine presidential elections since a constitutional amendment in 1971 lowered the voting age to 18"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/15/AR2006071500685.html 

Rest assured there will be the biggest push in American history to vote by liberals and ethnic minorities . Obama also enjoys the support of 73 per cent of first-time voters.

3) RE; Seniors. I quote the Gallup poll  "Obama has wooed them or at least even the tide" In August, McCain still had the upper hand with the over-65 group, with an 8-percentage-point lead, the Gallup polling organization found. These days, Gallup says Obama has closed the generation gap, and the Pew Centre even puts Obama ahead by 8 percentage points with seniors"

 http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/features/article_1440180.php/Obama_first_captured_youth_then_wooed_McCains_seniors__Feature__

 

6) Obama will NOT raise taxes for people making under $250,000. Why do conservative media outlets keep distorting this message? to protect 5 % of Americans who make over $250,000 . Also most folks know he probably won't raise taxes at all in a recesssion. Also the Bailout was as socialist as you could get.

8) Voting irregularaties will be avoided because of the civil unrest.The slightest voting irregularity the makes Obama lose when he was winning will be met with an army of lawyers from the ACLU, NAACP and every union in America with an endless war chest.

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#15) On October 31, 2008 at 11:24 AM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Most of them still don't get it do they Ares. 20 years of war for the world.   
Discovery Channel exposes the New World Order  Wars inc.: 2020 NWO Hi-Tech Wars -Discovery Channel- pt.1/3 lkquad10

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#16) On October 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, LORDZPAIN wrote:

Obama and the word not raising taxes is the biggest oxmoron

from an oxymoron....

I am so sick about hearing about how OBama has already won the election or how he has won my state ~~ because of idiots

who falsely believe... anyways.. speaking of civil unrest...

FRACK THE ACLU
THE UNIONS
AND THE National association for the racists advancement of non white people.....

in my humble opinion.... frack them into pieces..

All hail a MCCAIN / Palin victory

if not in Nov than in the future...

Songs of cryptic victory....

I will sing...

:)

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#17) On October 31, 2008 at 12:44 PM, barich1 (69.15) wrote:

Point #1.  No way will this happen.   Welfare recipients do not think along those lines, they may not show up to vote for obama but they certainly won't vote against him.   Far more likely that they will riot if  he is not elected.

Points #2-5 Yes they will all happen to some extent, especially #4.  But the flip side to #4 is that many minorities who don't normally vote will come out to vote for Obama.

#6  I think people are so fed up with our government that they will happily vote for the "unknown".   They need some change, any change, preferably a drastic change.

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#18) On October 31, 2008 at 2:16 PM, dinodelaurentis (74.68) wrote:

"In times of crises, fear trumps loathing." - Hunter s. Thompson

thought 1. a third party would help break the two party lock step. would it be made up of centrists disapointed in the idealogical failure of either party or left/right wingnuts frustrated by the lack(?) of extremism?

thought 2. VTEngineer posted about the lack of civility in CAPS lately. i don't think this is related to the election despite the angry squeals posted here (as an example). i see the same intolerance, ignorance, and racism espoused in "on-topic" blogs.the pain of various fools is paltable and will not end with the election. i think this is sad, and an oppurtunity for healing while being Educated, Enriched, and Amused. :D

thought 3. since this is a stock market site with a capitalistic purpose, i am pleasantly surprised at the amount of democratic and third party supporters. i expected much more republicanism across the board. maybe i just caught the economy right. sometimes i'm lucky that way.

thought 4. i don't look to politicians for solutions. i don't advocate any change in our form of goverment. i don't walk with kings, i watch the folly of kings. but despite all of that, there has been a politician that has caught my eye and impressed me this year. Ron Paul. i think he speaks his mind more than most politicians and is paying the price for that. he has been ostracized by his own party and marginalized by the media. who wants to hear what an educated man has to say? not americans. i'm also hopeful for Al Franken. i think we could use more profesional comedians in the senate. Youtube will benefit from his term and so will the Daily Show!

thought 5. a lesson from the martial arts for you Fools. is what you're trying to do not working?? CHANGE!!!!!! "palm up, palm down". reverse direction. shift your a$$. don't get hit!! if a rock is falling towards you, get out of the way. continuing to do the same thing that is not working is stupid. doing it over and over is insane. the Japanese style of instruction is to NOT EXPLAIN but to hit you repeatedly until you are able to avoid the strike. if you learn to SHIFT then they move on to the next strike and in time, you learn. if you do not shift, you will stop wasting the instructors time, and quickly!

thought 6. thanks for reading this. now go reward yourself by raiding the halloween candy!! i'm gonna grab some chocolate. :D

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#19) On October 31, 2008 at 2:33 PM, bostoncelitcs (37.68) wrote:

Dude is that blog title for real???

75,000 people at the Democratic Convention for Obama's speech...Obama campaigning "in the rain" in Pennsylvania this week.....not taking anybody's vote for granted.  Keep dreaming.

The McCain camp has run an absolutely terrible campain sticking to the same "Karl Rove" style that is 4 YEARS too old with no new ideas.....only to stay in Iraq!!

Go ahead vote for Bill Barr.....he's a good guy.......he's going to do to John McCain what Ralph Nader did to Al Gore in 2000!!

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#20) On October 31, 2008 at 3:57 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Well Ares did you ever find that telephone call when Mc Cain called Palin and asked her to be V>P>? As for  bostoncelitcs I guess he didn't listen to the preacher. Did your mom hit you on the head for me from the other blog? Keep up the good fight and work.

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#21) On October 31, 2008 at 5:03 PM, TheGarcipian (58.61) wrote:

Hey Ares, if you're going to be "throwing away your vote", I've got a much better candidate in mind than any of the other slags out there. Check this out and vote accordingly!

:-)
--Gar

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#22) On October 31, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Tastylunch (29.21) wrote:

If McCain wins that would be a huge huge upset. Still it's not a done deal by any stretch the wya the media portrays it as. Seriously with the economy this bad and the incumbents win? That is very rare. Not saying it can't happen but I think you likely going to be wrong.

Other factors, like Demondoug says polls don't accurately reflect 35 and youngers do to their inability to contact cell only users. The Dems now control my state of Ohio, there won't be black voters being turned away at the polls for weird reason in inner city (King Lincoln etc) this time. In fact there may even be phantom dem voters. (as usual it seems like dems try to stuff the box with fake votes and repubs are trying to keep legitimate voters out, which is worse?). I think the black vote turnout  will counteract the bradly effect, which I agree is bigger than people realize or like to admit. The latest McCain tactics about Rezko and Bill Ayers has given those who want a reason to not vote for Obama  due to race an easy way out. But on the other hand I think Obama's healthcare plan is less scary sounding to seniors. At least that's my impression from senior citizen customers. The old timers who remember the depression want a dem pretty badly. So I think Obama wins Ohio which almost certainly means he wins, nationally.

Ppl who come in my store are furious. That's trouble for the repubs.It is not 100% accurate but I've been able to predict who wins Ohio based off their sentiment the last 4 times. Right now it's close but Obama has the edge, cuz my repub shoppers are discouraged and some are voting for Ron Paul or Bob Barr or not voting at all from what they say. I don't hear any chatter about liberal third party options like Nader. I think considering Brunner is our sec of state and the economy, Obama wins Ohio 48 to 46 or so and wins the national vote in a similiarly close fashion but kicks booty in the electoral college.

Assuming of course nothing major happens (like a terrorism incident) between now and Tuesday.

That's just how I see it.

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#23) On October 31, 2008 at 6:47 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Hey Ares where is your old film of where you are running?

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#24) On November 01, 2008 at 4:17 AM, monksnake (38.40) wrote:

I love how most Obama supporters accuse non-Obama supporters of being racist.  So I guess black people that don't support Obama are racist against his white half and white people are racist against his black half??

If Obama loses, the race card WILL be played.  

Conspiracy theories will come out of the woodworks.

This election will be a joke. 

 

 

  

 

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#25) On November 01, 2008 at 11:54 AM, abitare (31.93) wrote:

ALCON, 

I am glad to see a good discussion and there are some good replies here. Sorry I was AFK and could not get back sooner. 

LORDZPAIN,  

LOrdz is suspended again, he is the becoming the Fool delinquent. Lordz is becoming the Bart Simpson of Fooldom! 

This election (as are most) is a joke and Ares unfortunately your 3 party vote will be wasted......... 

To resist those who impose their will on you is the righteous thing to do, a waste is to go along with this terrible corruption.

You might as well as stay home and do drugs........ and drink strong brandy......  safeguard any weapons you may have.

I have time for both. My drug of choice is coffee and wine.

down with the infidels and the L Z are 2 different people.

Maybe, if they are then it probably makes them irate for me to say it and what could be more fun then yanking DWI and Lordz chain?

Gemini846,

Old people taking voting very seriously, that is why they are paid huge benefits under the current system. 

LORDZPAIN

The truth that his candidacy for Presidency is a flipping joke, its sort of like putting up the ugliest fatest girl as a joke for the home coming queen.

Lol, at least with the fat girl she may be competent at her job of smiling and waving. Obama and McCain’s resume are not that impressive, IMO.

DemonDoug, 

Good point on the cellphone issue.

Lordz is an anomaly because he actually is honest about his racism and lays it out there for the whole world to see. 

Most people are what I called "closed door" racists - people who would rather chop off their right arm and kill their firstborn before voting for a black man.\

Good point too.

Gemini846 

FYI - I got a picture with Colin Powell a few years ago. Powell is smart enough to avoid the job of President. It is a terrible way to live for 4-8 years, citizens expectations are not achievable and the pay is laughably bad for the risks of being killed by some idiot. Race does matter. People since the dawn of time align themselves with the familiar.

 Option1307

I will be joining you voting third party.

Glad to hear it. Hopefully,  a third party candidate will do well enough so that next election, we can get some real choices.

lenri  

SNL has a get clip of Obama doing his best to keep Jesse and Sharpton away from him. 

socialconscious 

Good name.  

I would love to see the day when people recognize for my knowledge. skills and abilities instead of seeing a Latino first. 

Nothing wrong with being Latino, in general most Americans think they are hard working and good natured, especially if your resume proves it. It is a stereotype, but stereotypes can be positive also ie Asians are thought to be smart, hard working and good at math.

That day apparently isn't here.

It will never be here. People do tend to hire people like them. Sometimes it is racial, sometimes it is religion, sometimes it is family member etc…. It has been the way the world works since the dawn of time.

In Ireland it is Catholics vs Protestants, in Iraq it is Sunni vs Shiite, in Africa it is tribal, religion and nationalism, in North Africa it is racial Arab vs blacks, in Europe it is European vs Muslims. In many countries, like Italy and Japan it is north vs south.  

Que conste que en casa se habla mas espanol que ingles. Porque la Boricua en casa habla con su su familia al telefono casi todos los dias, por horas!!!!

affirmative action which is about fairness.

Lol No, it is about a hand out in exchange for votes. It is the US government ignoring the Constitution. How is it “fair” to impose a quota based on melatonin and a Y chromosome, somehting you are BORN with?

The US is a capitalist country you should have the freedom to associate and hire whoever you want. Affirmative action also undermines the people, who do not need a hand out.

Gallup polls are garbage. They are as accurate to me as an Moody’s AAA ratings. It is pay for the results you want.

Obama will NOT raise taxes for people making under $250,000. Why do conservative media outlets keep distorting this message?

You have NO idea what Obama will do. No one does, how could you with that short resume?

Also the Bailout was as socialist as you could get.We are in agreement here.The slightest voting irregularity the makes Obama lose when he was winning will be met with an army of lawyers from the ACLU, NAACP and every union in America with an endless war chest.

It did not stop Bush. It will not stop McCain.

barich1

Welfare recipients do not think along those lines, they may not show up to vote for obama but they certainly won't vote against him.   Far more likely that they will riot if  he is not elected.Maybe both….I think people are so fed up with our government that they will happily vote for the "unknown".  

 That is what the media is saying, but I am not buying it. People prefer the “devil they know”.

dinodelaurentis  

Good points

2. VTEngineer posted about the lack of civility in CAPS lately.

Lack of civility is common on the internet. James Kunstler’s blog they destroy each other. It keeps the weak out of the discussion, generally. If your ideas are weak and you do not have the confidence to support them, then shut up and let those that do talk. I will follow the Proverbs here:

"Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. If you beat him with the rod you will save his soul from Sheol."

"Sheol" is often translated as "hell," but it hasa more general meaning of death or the grave.Taking some Fool ”to the mat” for dumb ideas is righteous thing to do.

Happy Halloween

bostoncelitcs

Dude is that blog title for real???

Are the Boston Celtic still in the NBA? Because I have not seen them in the playoff since Larry Bird left.

The McCain camp has run an absolutely terrible campain sticking to the same "Karl Rove" style that is 4 YEARS too old with no new ideas.....only to stay in Iraq!!

No doubt, McCain is terrible and inept.

Go ahead vote for Bill Barr.....he's a good guy.......he's going to do to John McCain what Ralph Nader did to Al Gore in 2000!!

Like I said I will not support ineptitude and evil. Go ahead, may you “reap what you sow

lquadland10

Well Ares did you ever find that telephone call when Mc Cain called Palin and asked her to be V>P

Nope, good to hear from you. 

TheGarcipian,

I could not get the link to work. I will try again. I would rather votefor Luke Skywalker, then these two suspects.

Tastylunch,

If McCain wins that would be a huge huge upset. Still it's not a done deal by any stretch the wya the media portrays it as. Seriously with the economy this bad and the incumbents win? That is very rare. Not saying it can't happen but I think you likely going to be wrong

I might be wrong, I have no money on it, but I think McCain will surprise people.

Assuming of course nothing major happens (like a terrorism incident) between now and Tuesday.

Maybe, here, I am making a guess.

monksnake

If Obama loses, the race card WILL be played.  Conspiracy theories will come out of the woodworks.\

Yep.

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