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My Brief Take On The Heathcare Overhaul Mess.



March 27, 2012 – Comments (16)

My brief take on the Heathcare Overhaul mess:

1) A penalty is a tax when the IRS has been given the authority to go after you to collect the money.

2) Knowing how poorly our federal government handles things I'd be far less worried about this subject if the whole thing was to be run by the Canadian government.



P.S. - I said *brief* and I meant it.


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#1) On March 27, 2012 at 2:46 PM, kdakota630 (29.12) wrote:

Take it from me... as my wife went to the hospital back in mid-November and has mostly been there since (and currently is), Canada's health care system is terrible.  I can say a few nice things about it, but the not nice things I can say would take much more time.

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#2) On March 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

I'm sorry your wife has been so ill. Have you been given any clues as to when she may be well enough to return home?


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#3) On March 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM, leohaas (29.81) wrote:

If the Supreme Court agrees with 1), they will punt the question about Constitutionality until someone actually gets penalized/taxed and decides to take on the Government in Court. That will not be until 2015.

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#4) On March 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, kdakota630 (29.12) wrote:


It's a very long story, but she had a herniated disc.  She went to a hospital in the city where they said she needed back surgery, only to be transferred to the hospital that did it to have them say she wasn't getting back surgery.  Spent seven weeks in hospital requiring a leg brace and walker.  Home for five weeks until one day she couldn't get out of bed, back to hospital, did the surgery they should've back in November.  Developed infection in her back, got second surgery to clean it out, currently there now as they figure out what they're doing, possibly being discharged again (I'm guessing) on Friday.

I'm skipping a lot of the detail, mostly the clusterf**k stuff where no one seemed to know what anyone else is doing.

At one point while I was visiting just before her first surgery, a team of nurses came in to explain to my wife the procedure for her angioplasty.  When I told them that made no sense because it was a back surgery, not a heart procedure, they kind of looked at each other questioningly, left, said they made a mistake and explained about the dye they were going to inject to my wife.  Again, I said that didn't make any sense for a back surgery.  Turns out they just completely screwed up.  Frankly, I don't think nurses should be being corrected by a sports nutrition guy.

Also, when my wife had to go back to the hospital the 2nd time (where she eventually got the surgery), it took them 31 hours simply to admit her, because neurosurgery refused to admit her, (essentially because they didn't want to do surgery, and intially planned to send her home despite the fact she couldn't walk at all) so she bounced from department to department until finally someone from a department went over neurosurgery's head and forced their hand. 

I'm starting to rant, so I should probably just end this here. 

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#5) On March 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM, chk999 (99.96) wrote:

Thanks for telling us this kdakota. I keep hearing how perfect the Canadian system is from people that want us to adopt something similar and it's nice to hear some reality.

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#6) On March 28, 2012 at 9:01 AM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:


My wife has been dealing with a herniated disk for about five years. She's had many spinal injections over that time. Since giving birth in August to kiddo #2 she's had two injections and has been going to physical therapy a couple of times a week for the past three months. The good news is the PT sessions have had some benefit. At the last appointment with her specialist he said she needs to have a new MRI done because something has changed with how the pain is radiating and he "does not want to scare her with words like *surgery* without more information." Frankly I can't see a way out of surgery for her problem. From my point of view I think all we are presently doing is delaying the inevitable.

I am very sorry you and your wife have been dealing with this for so long. I'll keep you and her in my thoughts. You're experience with the nurses mirrors one I had when I went under the knife. It happens everywhere.



Just to clarify I was not saying the Canadian system is perfect. I just think it is less likely to fark things up than ours with regard to how it operates its social programs.


- Cato 

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#7) On March 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

You're experience with... 

You're = Your

All typos are brought to you by Darrow College.

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#8) On March 28, 2012 at 10:28 AM, kdakota630 (29.12) wrote:


My wife and I have had some good experiences at the hospital as well, mainly when it came to the birth of our children.  One that stands out was when my wife was worried she hadn't felt any movement from our first for about a couple of days fairly close to the delivery date.  They had her in and getting an ultrasound probably within 10 minutes.

Even during these past 5 months, the majority of the nurses have been pretty good.  There have been some that have been really bad though, too.  Not even a particularly bad one... my wife at one point was probably taking about 20 different medications (not an exaggerations), one of which was a stool softener because of the problems the other medications would cause, and getting 2 a day.  This was causing some diarrhea.  My wife asked if she could have the dose reduced.  She tells the nurse that my wife is "refusing" her medication.  My wife corrects her to say she just wants the dose reduced.  Turns out the entire time that medication was only needed as necessary and not to be given regularly.

I find most of the problems occur at the decision-making stage.  Even now they're not sure what's going to be done.  One doctor who was part of the team taking care of my wife wanted to do one thing, but he's been moved off her case, and someone else is trying to figure out what to do.


Sorry to hear about your wife and what she's going through.  I've never had anything along those lines, but I understand from a few people that sciatica (I'm assuming that's the issue with your wife's disc) is extremely painful.  My wife herniated her back about 10 years ago, but it only really got out of hand in the last year or so.  It sounds like your wife is in the same situation as mine the way you're describing her pain. I'm guessing it's at the L4/L5 position?

Here's what my wife wrote on Facebook today:

Ok, so new update. Have been back in hospital for a week now and he second surgery was done last Friday to clean out the infection. Well guess what... infection is back! Waiting now for wound care team to come and see me to assess the situation. They will either put the vac system on or they will pack the wound with no vac system. Either way, I will be opened up AGAIN!!! Hopefully this will be done today. If it is then there is a very good chance that I can go home on Friday, with a nurse coming in every day to fix me up. At least I will soon be home with my family. this is still going to be a long recovery though, and that makes me sad...:( Just want this ordeal over with so I can move on with my life!

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#9) On March 28, 2012 at 10:50 AM, outoffocus (23.22) wrote:

The problem isnt that people don't have health insurance.  The problem is medical care is too expensive to the point where you cant even get basic services without health insurance.  I'm sorry but forcing everyone to purchase health insurance does not fix that.

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#10) On March 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:

A bulging disc at L4/L5 is exactly what she has. All child lifting/bathing/rough-housing, dog walking/bathing/rough-housing, vacuum cleaner pushing/lifting and laundry basket lifting/carrying has been my exclusive domain for a long time. The poor girl can't even get in and out of my sedan without having some pain. Everywhere we go we take her SUV because it is easier on her back.

Being so limited in what she can do, or should do, weighs on her. She wants to help out around the house and be more physically active with the kids and pets. But if she does so she risks causing herself great harm. Even if I just tickle her a little in the wrong place and she involutarilty twitches she may tweek her back making a playful moment painful. She's in her early 30's for goodness sake! Some days she walks around like she's twice her age.

Her specialist has her on a patch that is infused with a type of pain medication. She changes it every week. She has been able to reduce her use of the pain pills by about half since she started using it. That along with the PT has lead to some improvement.

I read your wife's FB entry. I really feel for her. I hope the infection is sorted out soon so she can come home. Tell her there are people out there in internetland that are wishing her a speedy recovery.

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#11) On March 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, kdakota630 (29.12) wrote:


It sounds like we're married to the same woman.  LOL!

I hope you're able to get surgery soon because like you said, it's just prolonging the inevitable.  In my wife's case, she developed numbness in her foot which eventually went up to her knee as well as drop foot.  Once she had the surgery, the sensation returned and the drop foot they said she'd have for two years while the nerve repaired itself had mostly disappeared.  As long as the discs are pinching the sciatic nerve, the pain and problems will persist.

Thanks for the well-wishes. 

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#12) On March 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM, kdakota630 (29.12) wrote:

Nothing is certain (it never is at the hospital), but due to the delays in making a decision, it looks like she's going to be there over the weekend now.

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#13) On March 28, 2012 at 3:53 PM, adamabluesky (45.93) wrote:

That fine and just in  ten years all your yearly income; will be consumed just by the cost of health care. See me now, or see me later. We have stop bashing one another and collectively come up "NOW" with a common solution.

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#14) On March 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, rfaramir (28.70) wrote:

outoffocus is on the right track:

"The problem isnt that people don't have health insurance.  The problem is medical care is too expensive to the point where you cant even get basic services without health insurance.  I'm sorry but forcing everyone to purchase health insurance does not fix that." 

Health insurance only insures your financial situation from random, unpredictable medical costs. All mandated coverage just increases costs for everyone and is NOT insurance, since they are not truly insurable events. But that's only one type of government intervention that is causing problems. Mandated licensing (voluntary would be fine) causes fewer suppliers (fewer doctors), raising costs. Subsidies for the sick induces more cases (i.e., artificially lowered price raises demand), even without considering the temptation for fraud (i.e., 'sick' when not), which of course also increases demand and costs. Disallowing cross-state-border policies reduces competition and economies of scale.

Liberty is the answer, in short. Whereas Obamacare is attempting the opposite.

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#15) On March 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, catoismymotor (< 20) wrote:


I didn't copy that. Over.


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#16) On March 29, 2012 at 11:17 AM, kdakota630 (29.12) wrote:

Not only is she there for the weekend now, but apparently Wednesday is the new earliest date because of how the would is draining.  

Also, the doctor that looked at her today (he's just under the doctor who did the surgery and currently on vacation) told her that if it were up to him, that she'd remain in hospital until the wound completely healed, which would likely be another 6 weeks.

So, the point of this post is that if you ever need back surgery, do not get an infection afterwards. 

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