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Obama should listen to Jefferson

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December 19, 2011 – Comments (9)

"[T]he same act undertaking to authorize the President to remove a person out of the United States who is under the protection of the Law, on his own suspicion, without accusation, without jury, without public trial, without confrontation of the witnesses against him, without having witnesses in his favour, without defence, without counsel, is contrary to these provisions also of the Constitution, is therefore not law but utterly void and of no force."

~ Thomas Jefferson; Resolutions Adopted by the Kentucky General Assembly; November 10, 1798 

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#1) On December 20, 2011 at 9:50 AM, XMFRosetint (66.24) wrote:

Blake, that's not very nice. I think we should be respectful of other people's opinions, even if we do not agree with them.

Being snarky towards him isn't going to do anyone any favors. 

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#2) On December 20, 2011 at 2:25 PM, TMFPencils (99.85) wrote:

Lol, okay Blake. Let's ignore the destruction of the Constitution, so long as we are promised hope and change coming out of a teleprompter.  

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#3) On December 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM, buffalonate (72.15) wrote:

What did Jefferson know about dealing with muslim extremists?  My guess is not much. 

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#4) On December 20, 2011 at 4:49 PM, mdk0611 (44.25) wrote:

To translate that quote from the 18th century to reflect 21st century mobility in travel, I wonder whether the word would have been "citizen" (and permanent resident for that matter) as opposed to "person".

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#5) On December 20, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Acesnyper (< 20) wrote:

The idea that because times changed things like core values changed is so absurd it makes me ill.

 

We didn't allow rape in 1700s but well people didn't know back then how much fun it was!

 Needless to say I'm being both snide and picking an extreme example for an anaolgy both for amusement and to make sure it gets clearly expressed. But come on people, this isn't saying we need stop lights and should have them and it's not talked about in the bill of rights.

These are core things, the ones meant to stay as they hold the safety and rights of all.

in Re to buffalonate, maybe not but he did have Pirates taking our people away against their will, and handled that with out giving an ok to snatch anyone up at anytime. Please consult your history of both the Quasi war and Barbary Wars. 

 

 

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#6) On December 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM, AvianFlu (< 20) wrote:

Our beloved leader only listens to Karl Marx.

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#7) On December 20, 2011 at 7:23 PM, awallejr (58.67) wrote:

Eventually the bill will go before the Supreme Court. I suspect the right to Habeas Corpus for American citizens will be upheld and hence any Citizen whisked away by the new bill will receive Judicial review. The video is being spoken by some kid who really doesn't understand our legal process. 

I am telling all readers now, you will not, as an American citizen, be arrested in the dark, sent away to a secret base never to be heard from again.  The whole point of Habeas Corpus is to force the government to present you in front of a Court for Judicial review.  I just wish the new bill made that clear so people would stop panicking.

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#8) On December 20, 2011 at 7:35 PM, constructive (99.98) wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_us

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#9) On December 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM, rfaramir (28.98) wrote:

"What did Jefferson know about dealing with muslim extremists?  My guess is not much."

Your guess would be wrong! Ever hear of the (muslim extremist) Barbary Coast Pirates?

From wikipedia on Barbary Coast: 

The first United States military action overseas, executed by the U.S. Marines and Navy, was the Battle of Derne, Tripoli, in 1805. It was an effort to destroy all of the Barbary pirates, free the American slaves in captivity, and put an end to piracy acts between these warring tribes on the part of the Barbary states. The opening line of the "Marine's Hymn" refers to this action: "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli..."

 

The President of the US at the time? ... Thomas Jefferson.

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