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June 04, 2009 – Comments (29)

I'm going to be meeting with Ron Paul at his office this afternoon. If there are any thoughtful messages that his fans in the Fool Community would like me to ask, post them here and I'll post his reply later tonight. I've got about 10-15 minutes of 1-on-1 time, as long as nothing comes up on his end.

Hope all is well with my fellow Fools!

David in Qatar, er, Washington DC

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#1) On June 04, 2009 at 9:12 AM, minnesotaguy (< 20) wrote:

Ask him if there are any stocks that he would own now including gold sector?

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#2) On June 04, 2009 at 9:16 AM, wrparks (62.17) wrote:

How F'd do you really think we are......?

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#3) On June 04, 2009 at 9:23 AM, ralphmachio (25.37) wrote:

Where in America would be the smartest place to own real estate? Or would it be smarter to leave altogether?

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#4) On June 04, 2009 at 9:26 AM, 100ozRound (29.39) wrote:

Wow! You are in an enviable position David!  Tell him thanks for sticking his neck out for us...ask him what is the likelihood we'll see him running 2012...

 

Mike in San Diego

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#5) On June 04, 2009 at 9:31 AM, 4everlost (29.40) wrote:

Ask him how we can stem the tide of bonehead financial decisions that the gubment is making even when they are not supported by a majority of the citizens. 

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#6) On June 04, 2009 at 9:39 AM, MyDonkey (< 20) wrote:

What has to change in order for the Federal Reserve to be abolished, and what is the chance of that happening within 20 years?

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#7) On June 04, 2009 at 9:41 AM, catoismymotor (24.55) wrote:

I would ask him:

1) What has he done this week to preserve our liberties and freedoms?

2) What is he doing to curb the drunken spending of the Obama administration?

3) If he runs again for President in 2012 how can he better market himself as the right man for the job? What qualities would he look for in his runningmate?

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#8) On June 04, 2009 at 9:52 AM, tonylogan1 (28.15) wrote:

I would ask him, what is he doing (along with CFL) to find elequent, electable people that share his views?

I for one, would like to see an Obama-style person (oratorically) with Ron Paul views.

And I mean someone that has a shot in winning a popular election.

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#9) On June 04, 2009 at 10:03 AM, galtline (33.13) wrote:

Sure, I have one - I'd like him to explain how Ron Paul / Peter Schiff are right, but Roubini is wrong.

From my standpoint, both Schiff and Roubini were correct (and both were referred to as Dr. Doom), but on how to fix the economy, they differ greatly.  I have read both Crash Proof and Little Bull Moves in Bear Markets.  Schiff was obviously correct about real estate, the financial sector and the state of our economy (as was Roubini)...but he was incorrect about foreign equities being a safe-haven investment and some of his points have yet to play out (collapse of the dollar, severe decoupling, etc).  Now, that isn't to say that this still won't happen...it very well could and prove Schiff right yet again.  My personal feeling is that the world economies are so intricately tied to the U.S. (both our overspending and our dollar as the trade currency) that this mess will take years to resolve itself (take China as the best example - they own our debt, hold our currency, trade in our currency, and rely on our spending).  It will take time for them to pull away from that.

Both Schiff and Roubini were both early doomsayers, yet their opinions on how the government should respond differ greatly.

I think it's a good question.

 

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#10) On June 04, 2009 at 10:20 AM, ttboydxb (28.78) wrote:

Is there any way to get:

1. Him as president

2. Peter Schiff to replace Tim Geithner

3. Jim Rogers to replace Ben Bernake

4. Meredith Whitney to replace Nancy Pelosi

 

And Nouriel Roubini as the Professor??

 

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#11) On June 04, 2009 at 10:45 AM, GNUBEE (24.85) wrote:

Welcome Back!

Ask him 1. what the chances are that HR 1207 will really come up for consideration this session. I posted that my Rep now supports 1207 on a blog a few days ago (at least writing your rep still seems to work)

and 2. What does he think of Eugene Louis Dodaro? seeing as 1207 suggests that the report findings will be given to him to make recommendations "such recommendations for legislative or administrative action as the Comptroller General may determine to be appropriate.’

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#12) On June 04, 2009 at 10:52 AM, kdakota630 (29.56) wrote:

Is he planning on running in 2012 and if not, who would be his choice to carry the torch for him?

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#13) On June 04, 2009 at 11:18 AM, ralphmachio (25.37) wrote:

to those who think Ron paul is unmarketable...In a democracy you get the government you deserve.  Is it possible that America is too stupid for Ron Paul?   

I occasionally get to watch American Idol.  As a musician, I am sickened by the plastic nature of the popular entertainment.  If that is what America likes, America has a plastic soul.  How fitting that O'bama is our president.You can't take a plastic person and make them real any quicker than you can take Ron Paul and market him to dimwitted, uncultured, miseducated(I made that one up) legopeople(that came from a friend).   

Those who have become obsessed with an unblemished, made-up, TV personality to tell you how the world works have become addicted to a dependent series of lies that are no more real than the characters who perpetuate them.  It's all an illusion, and it is becoming more transparent by the day. 

The sad thing is, people seem to be getting dimmer faster than the transparency is coming, and truth is making no progress.  

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#14) On June 04, 2009 at 11:40 AM, kaskoosek (53.16) wrote:

Do you beleive Americans are stupid morons, because they did not vote for you.

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#15) On June 04, 2009 at 12:20 PM, starbucks4ever (97.24) wrote:

Ask him how he dares to suggest suppressing the constitutional freedom of the press - I mean, the press that Bernanke owns ? :)

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#16) On June 04, 2009 at 12:27 PM, DaretothREdux (40.55) wrote:

Ask him what he is currently reading?

Dare

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#17) On June 04, 2009 at 1:01 PM, djkumquat (50.07) wrote:

please ask him to run for prez again in 2012, but under a 'return to the declaration of independence' mantra instead. thanks!

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#18) On June 04, 2009 at 10:35 PM, DaretothREdux (40.55) wrote:

kdakota630,

His Son!

My next senator....(fingers crossed)...hopefully that is.

Dare

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#19) On June 04, 2009 at 11:24 PM, whereaminow (20.23) wrote:

Hi all. I just want to let you know that I did get a chance to meet Dr. Paul today. It was really amazing. He is simply an awesome guy. I posted the first of many pictures over on my facebook page. 

How did I get the meeting? I just called his office yesterday and told them I'd like to meet him.  I figured there would be no way in hell that he'd have time for me, but his scheduler penciled me in.

Turns out that she scheduled us (my fiancee was with me) in between votes. And it was raining. So Ron had to take the underground passageway back from the Capitol after the first vote just to meet us (I'm no one special btw - he's just that nice).  

He invited us into his office, and while I sat down and chatted with him, my fiancee snapped a dozen or so pictures.  Ron gave me a signed copy of a pocket Constitution. ("I want you to read this. No one here ever does," he says to me)  And we talked about military service. He was in the Air Force, I was in the Marines, and my fiancee was in the Air Force.

I decided to ask him how he can keep the faith that government can "work."  He didn't even hesitate with his answer. "I don't have any faith. I just try to spread the message of liberty to young people like you."  We went on about that for a couple of minutes and then the coolest thing happened.  His scheduler came in and told him that a radio interview was waiting and he had to get back for the vote.  He looked at us, then hesitated, and then told her that he was busy and it would be a couple of minutes.  We talked some more, then took some more pictures, and finally we had to go.

What an awesome guy.

David in Qatar 

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#20) On June 05, 2009 at 8:12 AM, PrestonCheek (32.41) wrote:

Thats real good David, I'm very glad for you.

Read the book and spread the message, which you already do here in caps and I know other places as well.

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#21) On June 05, 2009 at 8:41 AM, catoismymotor (24.55) wrote:

David,

Thank you for sharing your experience with Mr. Paul. If he does not run again for President I hope the next occupant of the White House has the wisdom to ask him to be a cabinet member. 

Cato

P.S. - The part where he hands you the copy of the Constitution is priceless. Was the copy he gave you published by The Cato Institute?

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#22) On June 05, 2009 at 11:22 AM, kdakota630 (29.56) wrote:

That's a great story, David, although it doesn't surprise me in the least about what a nice guy Ron Paul is.  He always comes across as being completely genuine.

What's your Facebook page, if you don't mind me asking?

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#23) On June 05, 2009 at 2:24 PM, tonylogan1 (28.15) wrote:

Great story david...

I ran into Dr Paul and McCain at the Republican debate at the Reagan library.

My experience: McCain pulled up to the hotel they were staying at and got out of the SUV. I was the only person standing there, and so when he opened the door we were face to face, about 10 feet away from each other.

I gave him a courtesy head nod type hello, and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to acknowledge my existance. As he walked right past me, I figured he was going to have trouble winning the election...

When I walked into the hotel, Dr Paul was inside talking with 1 other person who looked like a Dr Paul fan. I approached them and Dr Paul had a look on his face that made e think he was afraid I was going to attack him.

After he got over that fear, we talked (the three of us... the only people in the lobby) for a few minutes and then he left. He was a great guy, I agree.

BTW, I am a 6' 3" Black guy... so maybe that threw both of them off... (Not a lot of Black folks turned out for the republican debate that day... I think the official total was 2)

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#24) On June 08, 2009 at 3:45 PM, eldemonio (98.53) wrote:

Thanks for the post.  I wish I would have seen this post prior to your meeting.  I have a pocket Constitution as well.  I read it from time to time - lately it only depresses me.

I would like to know who he would have chosen as vice president.   

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#25) On June 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM, lucas1985 (< 20) wrote:

Here are some questions for your next meeting with Ron Paul:

- Does he support quackery? (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
- Does he deny evolution? (6)
- Why is he consistently endorsed by cranks, right-wing militias, religious lunatics, white supremacists, neo-Nazis and such scorn? (7, 8)
- Is he really a libertarian, a neo-Confederate or just a good old-fashioned  paleo-conservative? (9)

1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
2- http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/ron_paul_quackery_enabler.php
3- http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/02/the_journal_of_american_physicians_and_s.php
4- http://scienceblogs.com/ethicsandscience/2009/05/fake_journals_versus_bad_journ.php
5- http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows
6- http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2007/12/ron_paul_evolution_does_not_ma.php
7- http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/holocaust_deniers_for_ron_paul.php
8- http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca
9- http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/12/why_is_ron_paul_so_popular.php

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#26) On June 16, 2009 at 2:10 AM, whereaminow (20.23) wrote:

lucas1985,

I have a question for you: When faced with people who hold opposing viewpoints is it easier for you to label them with marginalizing epithets or to engage in serious discussion?

Anyway, here are his answers. He can speak for himself.

Here is the unedited Youtube of Ron Paul’s remarks on evolution.

Here is the highly-edited version that is referenced by Andrew Sullivan’s blog.

Here is a transcript, with the deleted words bracketed:

“‘Well, at first I thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter, and I think it’s a theory, a theory of evolution, and I don’t accept it, you know, as a theory, but I think [it probably doesn't bother me. It's not the most important issue for me to make the difference in my life to understand the exact origin. I think] the Creator that I know created us, everyone of us, and created the universe, and the precise time and manner, I just don’t think we’re at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side. [So I just don't...if that were the only issue, quite frankly, I would think it's an interesting discussion, I think it's a theological discussion, and I think it's fine, and we can have our...if that were the issue of the day, I wouldn't be running for public office.']

As you can see, half of RP’s words were censored. His real message was, ‘We’re fighting for freedom and can’t afford to be split over a debate about fossils."

Of course, you could also ask him yourself. His phone number is 202-225-2831, but I suspect you are too much of a coward to do that. 

David in Qatar

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#27) On June 17, 2009 at 3:32 AM, lucas1985 (< 20) wrote:

I have a question for you: When faced with people who hold opposing viewpoints is it easier for you to label them with marginalizing epithets or to engage in serious discussion?
Are you suggesting that I've committed an ad hominem fallacy? Here's a reality check; I've not committed an ad hominem fallacy (1)
When I'm faced with people who hold opposing viewpoints I do the following:
- First, I check that there aren't conflicts of interests. E.g., if someone working for Big Tobacco says that second-hand smoke is bunk I won't trust him/her.
- Second, I check that person's positions on other issues to see if there's coherence in his reasoning. E.g., if someone says that aliens control the world and then I found that he/she said in the past that the Earth is flat.
- Third, I check that person's expertise. If I want information on HIV, I'll ask a doctor not someone with a degree in theology.
- Fourth, I check the quality of the argument, the style, the wording, the supporting facts, the validity of premises, etc.

Of course, you could also ask him yourself. His phone number is 202-225-2831, but I suspect you are too much of a coward to do that.
Thanks, but I don't live in the USA nor I intend to live there. I have better uses for my money than making an international phone call to some crank.
I prefer to live in Argentina (my birthplace). If I had to emigrate, the USA would be in the last place on my preferences of developed countries.

Let's do a quick rebuttal of Ron Paul's position on evolution using the phrases you quoted:

According to Ron Paul, science and science policy are secundary things for a political leader, even for the president of the most powerful nation on the world (2, 3). He doesn't understand (4) that evolution is both an observed fact and the theory explaining it (5), also called the modern evolutionary synthesis (6). He thinks that evolution is a trivial thing (7) when in fact life sciences (from zoology to medicine and genetic engineering) don't make sense without evolution (i.e, it's a central tenet). He seems to have missed his classes on philosophy of science because he demands proofs of evolution (8). You have proofs in mathematics, in science you have evidence (9). In science you can't have 100% certainty. Science is nuanced and uncertain but these things aren't an impediment to using science when drawing policy. He also states that there are two equaly valid positions on evolution (10) when in fact there's only one scientific position, the rest (creationism/ID) is garbage dressed up as science (i.e., pseudoscience). Also, evolution is in the area of inquiry of science, not theology (11). Evolution isn't about fossils. Evolution treats diabetes (12). Controlling diabetes frees you from serious consequences (13). Being free from illness is much more important than hoarding gold and guns or having originalists (14) views of the Constitution, a Constitution that is a product of the Enlightenment which is constantly rejected by Ron Paul and his followers. He is a shame for the medical profession.

1- http://juno.newsvine.com/_news/2007/07/17/842252-the-ad-hominem-fallacy-fallacy
2- "I thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter"
3- "if that were the issue of the day, I wouldn't be running for public office"
4- "I think it’s a theory"
5- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
6- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_evolutionary_synthesis
7- "It's not the most important issue for me to make the difference in my life to understand the exact origin"
8- "anybody has absolute proof"
9- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
10- "on either side"
11- "I think it's a theological discussion"
12- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA#Synthetic_insulin_production_using_recombinant_DNA
13- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes#Chronic_complications
14- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalism

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#28) On June 17, 2009 at 4:13 AM, whereaminow (20.23) wrote:

lucas1985,

I am an atheist and I think the theory of evolution is a decent one. I know that it's just a theory though, and if you think it doesn't have holes then you are guilty of treating evolution as a religion. I don't have a problem with Ron Paul's beliefs on evolution. He believes in God.  That's his prerogative. Freedom brings people to together. It doesn't drive them apart. If this is the most important issue for you politically, then I suppose you should support someone who holds the Theory of Evolution as the highest Enlightment of mankind.  That is your prerogative. I don't know the political climate in Argentina or the number of evolutionists in office, so I can only wish you the best of luck.

I recommend, on a side note, Skype phone service. It's Voice Over IP, and very inexpensive. You could call Ron's office (or anyone in the U.S.) for less than 3 cents per minute. I use it over here in the Middle East to call back to the states and it has been a relationship saver.

Critics of Ron Paul supporters tend to view us as a homogeneous unit that shares all the same beliefs. Nothing could be further from the truth. I've never seen a more diverse group.  I don't worship the Constitution. It's a flawed document. I am not pro-life.  I am an Anarcho-Capitalist while Ron is a Classical Liberal (slightly more pro-government than a Minarchist Libertarian.) 

But I know that Ron isn't a shame for the medical profession. Not even his most ardent critics would make such a silly statement.

I think you have a bit of an axe to grind.  Are you going through some difficult life issues right now? 

David in Qatar

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#29) On June 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM, lucas1985 (< 20) wrote:

I am an atheist
I am an atheist too. Your religious beliefs don't matter. We are talking about science. If science (and philosophy) crushes your faith in God (whatever his name or his purpose), that's not the problem of science. Also, there's a thing called theistic evolution (1) for those holding faith in a Creator. That's fine with me (that was what they tried to taught to me in high school, even as I objected and had a friendly "battle" with a highly religious professor), even if I think that there are logical flaws in theistic evolution.

I think the theory of evolution is a decent one.
A decent one? It's the only one. There's no alternative explanation to the modern evolutionary synthesis (2) which underpins modern life sciences (3)

I know that it's just a theory though,
Evolution is an observed fact (4, 5). There's no way around it.

if you think it doesn't have holes then you are guilty of treating evolution as a religion
It seems that I'm not clear enough. "In science you can't have 100% certainty. Science is nuanced and uncertain" You will find holes in every theory: atomic theory, gravity, quantum mechanics, global warming, the central dogma of molecular biology (6) and others.

If this is the most important issue for you politically
Science is one of the most important things for a political leader and policy maker.

I suppose you should support someone who holds the Theory of Evolution as the highest Enlightment of mankind.  
Evolution may be the highest Enlightment on life sciences.

I don't know the political climate in Argentina
It doesn't matter. If you're interested we'll have legislative elections soon.

the number of evolutionists in office
Evolutionists, a loaded word. Every life scientist is an evolutionist.

I recommend, on a side note, Skype phone service. It's Voice Over IP, and very inexpensive. You could call Ron's office (or anyone in the U.S.) for less than 3 cents per minute. I use it over here in the Middle East to call back to the states and it has been a relationship saver
Thanks. I already use Skype to call friends around the world so I can practice my English and French.
Neither me nor the world will gain anything if I call Ron Paul to get his offical position on science, white supremacy and other issues. Fortunately, he's out of the radar so the best we can do for now is to ignore him.

Critics of Ron Paul supporters tend to view us as a homogeneous unit that shares all the same beliefs. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ron Paul supporters are not homogeneous, but they share many common beliefs: that government is evil, paper money is bad, a variety of conspiracy theories and more.

I've never seen a more diverse group.  
The fact that you can find disenfranchised Democrats, libertarians of various flavours, a variety of conservatives and other groups don't make it diverse. The Democrat Party is far more diverse: greens, socialists, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, unions, LBGT, minorities, businessmen, women, etc.

I don't worship the Constitution. It's a flawed document.
A flawed document? It's a product of the Enlightment so if you analyze it in the proper socio-political context I'd think it's brilliant. Also you can ammend it, as we've done recently (7)
 
Ron is a Classical Liberal (slightly more pro-government than a Minarchist Libertarian.)
Are you kidding me? Classical liberalism only exists in Europe. I'm still undecided to tag Ron Paul as a paleo-conservative (like his friend Lew Rockwell) or a modern Confederate. He's only worried about the federal government, what about statal and communal governments?

But I know that Ron isn't a shame for the medical profession. Not even his most ardent critics would make such a silly statement.
He's endorsed by quacks (8, 9), he supports the "health freedom" movement, he's involved in the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (a cesspool of quackery, pseudoscience and racism), he denies evolution (a central principle of life sciences, including medicine), so I'd say that he's a shame for the medical profession.

I think you have a bit of an axe to grind.  
You're right, I do have an axe to grind. I'm a defender of science and reason and I loathe quackery, racism, bigotry and lunatic ideologues.

Are you going through some difficult life issues right now?
Yep, I'm working on my 2nd degree, preparing the party for my 24th birthday and I'm actively involved in the next election trying to promote progressive candidates. I could say that I'm a bit stressed.

1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
2- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_evolutionary_synthesis
3- http://www.newscientist.com/topic/evolution
4- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_resistance
5- http://www.pnas.org/content/105/23/7899.long
6- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_dogma_of_molecular_biology
7- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Argentina
8- http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/11/20/ron-paul-sets-new-record-raises-4-million-in-24-hours.aspx
9- http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/11/your_friday_dose_of_woo_the_sacred_scien.php

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