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"Based on what I see in School, It is Amazing Men Work at All"



June 12, 2010 – Comments (8)

Years ago I was asked if I noticed gender difference in the classroom and I repied something like the title.  Boys are always more disruptive and much harder to keep on task. From what I have seen in the classroom, it has amazed me that the financial inequity in the world has been towards women.  I spewed something to that effect out as well.

Well, it appears what I observe in the classroom is catching up to men in the workforce, at least in Canada.  In Canada women now outnumber men in the workforce.  Here's a quote from this story on this changing trend in employment:"

It seems that just as women have more aptitude for certain jobs than men, they also have more aptitude for schooling – especially the long years of schooling you've got to put in to finish university. As Torben Drewes, an economics professor at Trent University, discovered, it’s no mystery why more girls get in to university than boys. They’re more motivated and they work harder in high school. “Fewer males had aspirations for university education than females and this fact might account for the lower levels of effort among them,” he wrote. “However, it is also true that males were not able to produce high school averages (and, therefore, the entry requirement for university) as efficiently as females.”

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#1) On June 12, 2010 at 8:41 AM, AltData (31.83) wrote:

When less women were in the workforce it made men want to work hard and focused if they wanted to eat.

If more women work now and want to feed their "Man" then more power to 'em.

Now, go fetch me that Beer!




Just kidding =)

I brew my own.

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#2) On June 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, davejh23 (< 20) wrote:

More women in the workforce has lowered our standard of living and has driven consumerism.  It has also had measurable negative consequences for children, and thus, the future of our nation.  Are you saying we shouldn't invest in Canada?

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#3) On June 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM, dwot (29.24) wrote:

This also reminds me of a report I read years ago, from one of the organizations around united nations that distributes cash to very poor countries.  What the report was saying is when the money went to men, it went no where.  When it went to women they were able to buy what they needed to set themselves up with a way to produce future income.

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#4) On June 12, 2010 at 12:50 PM, FleaBagger (27.41) wrote:

This is incredibly sexist. Women are wonderful and men are inferior, right? There is a reason that married women were largely not in the workforce for generations after the industrial revolution had matured: they didn't need to be. Leisure was considered valuable, as was spending time with one's children. Working outside the home to earn money was considered a duty, not a privilege. Most men still it see it that way. I think most women do, too.

As for women getting paid less "for the same work," those factoids are mendacious. I've investigated such claims to find that they didn't even control for hours worked, type of degree earned, or length of work experience.

Of course you aren't going to make as much money with an art degree and a 20-hour-a-week job as your boyfriend makes with an MBA and an 80-hour-a-week career. 

The women who complain about the difference in pay between men and women are often the exceptions to the rule that women in general opt for liberal arts degrees and eschew more lucrative ones. They read statistics and honestly don't know that they make at least as much as men in similar situations (probably more because of incentives the government offers for making the misleading pay gap statistics look better). They may resent men with huge paychecks without knowing how much value they add to the company.

Whatever the reason, while most people don't see any horrible injustice in their own lives, a few activists are trying to keep people angry.

To return to your original observation about boys and girls in school, this just demonstrates how abusive of boys the entire public school setting is. Most boys (and some girls) need to explore, dismantle, assemble, create, and work with their hands. Girls, in general, are more verbal, and can pay attention and learn in a classroom setting. It takes a lot of discipline (that parents, in general, no longer provide) to adapt to a learning style that doesn't come naturally. Parents just aren't equipping boys to hang tough with sitting quietly and paying attention to long lectures - completely unnatural behaviors for them.

That boys have been able to adapt to the workplace and earn money after having their time wasted by years of lectures that they were unprepared to learn from, I think speaks well of our sex.  

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#5) On June 12, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Sorry Dwot- This is absurd. Surprising also as I usually enjoy your stuff.
1. "It is amazing men work at all". Really? Because "Boys are always more disruptive and much harder to keep on task." That's like saying it's amazing women have sex from what I've seen from the girls in my 5th grade class.
2. "Boys are always more disruptive". Really? Always? Or kinda sorta "in general". Could it be that males and females are wired differently (Mars/Venus), lending an aptness to "be still" and conform "better"?
3. I would like to know- in your school, how much more does a male teacher (same education and tenure) make than you?
Again, sorry but had to say it. Off topic, was I right about that beaver tail or what? Regards.

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#6) On June 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM, awallejr (36.79) wrote:

What a bunch of sexist crap.  Yes boys are different than girls.  But, hmm,  most CEOs are men.  Most politicians are men.  Most financiers are men.  Most inventors are men. Most rocket scientists are men, But hey, women make great seamstresses.

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#7) On June 13, 2010 at 4:36 AM, dwot (29.24) wrote:

Fleabagger, I guess the higher education system, where 58% are now females, is also abusive of boys?  This coming out a system that was dominated by male professors. I suppose the article is selective in that it only looks at a BA in university and doesn't have say, engineering.

Starfirenv, what I actually said had more to do with the difference in economic power between men and women based on what I saw in the classroom, although that isn't what I wrote here.  To me, the article I linked is showing a change in economic power that makes sense based on my observations.  First there was the trend towards more higher education in women and now this is show a trend towards better employment by women.

It will be interesting to see if this trend is happening at all in the US.

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#8) On June 19, 2010 at 10:15 AM, AbstractMotion (< 20) wrote:

Well the trend is happening in the US, but in all honesty I think that primary school education tends to favor girls more (at least in the US).  In a good number of areas here if test scores are disproportionate by gender or a number of other factors they simply change the structure of the tests for being gender biased.  Boys just are genetically predisposed to get bored easily, be a bit more aggressive, challenge authority figures and run around more growing up.  These are largely viewed as negatives in the educational system, but they have their benefits in the employment market.  I don't have any firm statistics for it but I'd imagine a lot of women are less likely to raise a stir if they're passed up for a promotion, where as men are probably more likely to challenge the issue openly.  Likewise being outspoken and confident tends be viewed in a positive light for leadership positions.  There's probably some bias in the system on top of this, but in general I think a lot of it is because while women are often just as qualified and work just as hard, a lot of them simply don't fight as hard for things they want, mainly because they tend to be more passive by nature.  I'd argue some of the same qualities that make girls good students leads tend to be disadvantages in the workplace to some degree, and a lot of the qualities that lead boys to be poor students often benefit them in a work environment.

Regarding higher education, I've noticed the same thing.  Recently my sister was applying for college so we had a huge number of books filled opinions and statistics for every college in the US.  There was often a biased towards slightly higher female populations (maybe 3-4% on average).  The exceptions being engineering/technical schools(around 70%+ male on average).  I've pretty much noticed the same thing in the classroom for my majors computer science/mechanical engineering.  Classes are usually 80-90% male and the same thing goes for many of the higher level mathematics and physics.  It isn't an aptitude problem so much as an interest one and I honestly couldn't explain why that is.  I've seen a few complaints about these fields being male dominated, but honestly given the enrollment composition I wonder what people expect.  I know it's much different in other science majors, notably biochem and medicine.


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