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"Chewie here tells me you're looking for passage to the Alderaan system."

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January 15, 2012 – Comments (17) | RELATED TICKERS: DEO

I went to college in a tiny, rural town where I often lamented, "If there's a bright center to the universe, this is the town that it's furthest from."  Many an evening was spent in a dark, subterranean hole-in-the-wall that my friends and I liked to call "the Cellar".  Upstairs you could occasionally see a local band playing, but I mostly stayed downstairs where one would find a colorful cast of folks, but you definitely had to watch your step.  This place could get a little rough.  Despite the town's remote location the bar's less-than-friendly patrons, the one thing I could always count on was Guinness on tap.  Little did I know that the small comfort I enjoyed, a favorable brand at my local watering hole, is being exercised across all reaches of the globe.  My stock pick for this month is international spirits juggernaut, Diageo (ADR) (NYSE:DEO).


This British spirits maker yields a 3% dividend, but at its current price Diageo isn't exactly a bargain – I've read analyses advising not to buy this stock above $80/share.  But I am a buy-and-hold investor who thinks the price will ultimately go up and I love dividends so I prefer to own the stock and collect dividends rather than wait and hope that the price goes down to an arbitrary number before it continues to rise.  If the price goes down, I'll buy more.  My long-term positive outlook for Diageo is based on their stated goal of having 50% of their net sales be from emerging markets by 2015.  Currently Diageo boasts eight of the world's top 20 liquor brands which they sell through a vast international distribution system throughout more than 180 countries.  Emerging and developing markets, which account for about one-third of Diageo's revenue, posted double-digit growth for them in the past few years.  

 

I've started contributing to the Motley Fool Blog Network where I've reposted this except I edited out the fun stuff and added my boring analysis. If you'd like to check it out, it's here.  If you just want the exciting conclusion...

 

About ten years ago, Diageo divested itself of the local Indian whiskey Gilbey's Green Label, saying it wanted to focus on international brands.  Recently Diageo has returned to the competitive whiskey market of India, marking a change from their previous strategy.  Now they acquire local breweries and spirits manufacturers for the purpose of distributing their premium international brands but also to give regional and national labels new international exposure.  

 

I should disclose that I have recently added to my long position in Diageo.

17 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On January 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM, truthisntstupid (83.79) wrote:

Great pick, LP. Don't know why I haven't made DEO a pick. I'll have to keep an eye on it.

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#2) On January 16, 2012 at 12:41 AM, HarryCarysGhost (99.74) wrote:

Dude, how did you find the floor plan for the bar in the first flick. (wish you had a link to the tunage from that scene)

Check out my pitch for KO. The last comment tells my latest endevour. Truth if you see this please reply you might be able to answer some of the payout ratio questions I have.,,,

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#3) On January 16, 2012 at 12:52 AM, HarryCarysGhost (99.74) wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytqeOcsQKGM&feature=related

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#4) On January 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM, HarryCarysGhost (99.74) wrote:

As far as DEO goes looks like an o.k investment to me. 51% payout ratio but you have to remember it's an ADR only pays once a year. And you get that foreign tax imposed immediatly upon receipt 

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#5) On January 16, 2012 at 2:29 AM, truthisntstupid (83.79) wrote:

Ah, maybe that's why...

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#6) On January 16, 2012 at 2:45 AM, mm5525 (< 20) wrote:

Actually it pays out twice a year... semi-annually... In April and October.

 

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#7) On January 16, 2012 at 8:30 AM, dbjella (< 20) wrote:

Harry, I own a little DEO and they don't take out a foreign tax....I live in the US.  I bought it almost 4 years ago and it has been an OK investment.  I am not going to sell.

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#8) On January 16, 2012 at 9:19 AM, LegendPhoenix (56.05) wrote:

If you earn a divided that gets taxed by a foreign government, I believe as long as you don't have that investment in a tax free account (ROTH IRA), you can deduct the foreign withholdings from your US taxes.

I'm still very new at investing and not fully versed in the tax side, rather than sell or avoid buying, it may be worth asking a tax professional if you find your dividends getting taxed by the country of their origin. 

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#9) On January 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, StoneyTerp12 (44.58) wrote:

For the foreign taxes paid, you'll get a credit on your return, not a deduction.  The credit is a dollar for dollar offset against your U.S. taxes.  And you're correct about the retirement plan accounts.

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#10) On January 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, LegendPhoenix (56.05) wrote:

Thanks, Stoney.  That's even better than I thought.

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#11) On January 16, 2012 at 3:37 PM, LegendPhoenix (56.05) wrote:

Hello Harry,

It may seem like I'm ignoring you because I haven't responded to your comment.  I've typed up a nice long reponse, but for some reason it won't let me post my comment.  I'll try breaking it up into smaller pieces and give it a shot.

Before I post a blog entry, I scour for images that might be fun to include.  I usually find more than I care to use in one post, so I save them for later blogs.  The floor plan of the cantina was a lucky find and, believe it or not, VERY close to the layout of my old college haunt.
As for the Diageo dividend, as mm5525 pointed out, they pay twice per year (I think this is common for European companies).  To me 3% yield, is 3% - I don't mind if they pay once, twice, four times or twelve times per year.  I did consider their payout ratio and 51% is within my pain threshold. 

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#12) On January 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM, LegendPhoenix (56.05) wrote:

"The annual dividend payment in US dollars has increased by 5.70% per year since 2000. A 6% growth in distributions translates into the dividend payment doubling every twelve years. With international dividend achievers, it is important to look at the history of dividend increases in the local currency, in order to avoid any confusion about the volatility of US dollar dividend payments, caused by currency fluctuations. The company’s dividend history in British pounds shows consistent pattern of distribution increases since 1998. Another fact to look for is that Diageo pays an interim and a final dividend, which are not equal in amount. In order to avoid confusion, dividend investors should look at the full year payments in order to determine whether the company is an achiever or not."

This excerpt from dividendgrowthinvestor is about Diageo specifically, but also gives a nice tip for dividend investing with international stocks.

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#13) On January 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM, LegendPhoenix (56.05) wrote:

Ah... this comment thing won't let me post the link to the article where I found that analysis. 

Oh well,  anyway this next part is me again:

Diageo understands that dividends are important to their shareholders, otherwise they would not be raising them so frequently.  Given that they've been able to raise their dividends while continuing their strategy of acquisitions tells me that they're confident they can manage their global growth while rewarding their investors.  I will be keeping an eye on their cash flow and payout ratio, but for now, I'm happy with what I see.

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#14) On January 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, HarryCarysGhost (99.74) wrote:

I stand corrected-

DateOpenHighLowCloseVolumeAdj Close* Sep 7, 20111.631 DividendMar 2, 20110.996 DividendSep 8, 20101.464 DividendMar 3, 20100.916 DividendSep 9, 20091.445 DividendMar 4, 20090.792 DividendSep 10, 20081.553 DividendMar 5, 20081.035 DividendSep 12, 20071.624 DividendMar 7, 20070.981 DividendSep 13, 20061.457 DividendMar 8, 20060.832 DividendSep 14, 20051.343 DividendMar 2, 20050.86 DividendSep 15, 20041.217 DividendMar 3, 20040.803 DividendSep 17, 20030.992 DividendMar 5, 20030.702 DividendSep 18, 20021.01 DividendMar 6, 20020.59 DividendSep 19, 20010.871 DividendMar 7, 20010.574 DividendOct 11, 20000.804 DividendMar 8, 20000.596 DividendOct 6, 19990.834 DividendMar 24, 19990.561 DividendOct 7, 19980.737 DividendApr 1, 19980.832 Dividend

Hmmm Bud only pays once a yr. And yeah I write off my BUD foreign tax.

Now that we have that settled-

Hey Man I have a trivia question? How many credits did Skywalker and Obi have to pay Solo.

I wanted to use that as an example of a cashless society. With Visa at the helm of all monetary transactions.

I was a kid when those movies came out but I still remember the details (for the most part ;)

Cheers.

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#15) On January 16, 2012 at 7:01 PM, mm5525 (< 20) wrote:

"We can 2000 now plus 15 (15,000) once we reach Alderaan."

Perhaps, due to inflation, those were Zimbawean Dollars?

Sorry, to get in the way. I know LP knows the answer to that one. So I will atleast offer a few of my own trivia questions to make up for butting in.

Who was "holding Vader's leash" in Star Wars?

Where was Princess Leia held in the Death Star? Specifically.

 What number does "the bounty hunter" and Jabba settle on for Chewbacca?

 

 

 

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#16) On January 16, 2012 at 9:54 PM, LegendPhoenix (56.05) wrote:

I wrote a story about that transaction, Harry:

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/where-did-you-dig-up-that-old/639909

 

as for your questions, mm5525...

1.  moff tarkin was the one holding vader's leash

2.  this one i don't know.  i want to say "cell block 1138", but i believe that's where luke claims his prisoner transfer is from.  the reason i can remember that (even though it's not the correct answer to your question) is because "THX-1138" was the title of lucas' first film.

3.  the mighty jabba offers the sum of 35 (thousand), and i do suggest you take it

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#17) On January 16, 2012 at 10:32 PM, mm5525 (< 20) wrote:

Detention Block AA-23 is the answer to #2, and LP is obviously right on the other ones. I'm a Star Wars nut... and, in general, a complete nerd.   

I owned some DEO back when it was trading in the 50s. I should have held onto it.  

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