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September 19, 2011 – Comments (21) | RELATED TICKERS: SPY

Today I was wondering about a few things and lo and behold, Bloomberg comes out with a few articles that hit some of the nails on the head.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-19/republicans-complain-of-economic-uncertainty-while-vowing-revolution-view.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-18/huntsman-s-moderation-alienates-party-s-mainstream-albert-hunt.html

The gist of what I was wondering about was how the right wing of the Republican Party expects to win with viewpoints that are clearly out of the mainstream.  They seem intent on sending an ideologically pure right winger into the Presidential election that I can not figure out how they figure they can win.

John Huntsman, who is an imperfect candidate himself, is the most moderate of the bunch, maybe followed by  Herman Cain, and Huntsman is dead last in the Republican only polls.  How can that be?

Is the Republican Party really only left with right wingers?  Are all the moderates gone?  If that is so, the Republicans are DOA next year.  

I have covered this before.  There is no big shift to the right in this country.  This is a centrist nation that vacillates a shade in either direction every few elections.  Recently it has been every election. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127499/party-affiliation-gap-u.s.-narrowest-2005.aspx

The same mistake the Democrats made after 2008 of being over confident and claiming mandates, the Republicans are doing now.  There is no Republican mandate.  Poll after poll shows Americans favor some sort of middle way (maybe most of us are closet Buddhists) which includes eliminating tax loopholes, raising taxes on the truly wealthy (not the six figure crowd who are wealthy elites only in their own heads) and rebuilding the infrastructure.  

I want to see two strong parties.  Right now we half an okay Democratic Party, maybe because they are getting whooped, I'm the last guy to claim they are perfect either, and a Republican Party that is either split dramatically or on the verge of implosion.

With demographics in this nation not favoring Republicans long term with their current developing platform I don't see how they survive the decade.  

If I were John Boehner, presuming he cares about the long term and not just his own short term career outlook, I would be pulling that party to the middle-right and off of the right wing fringe.  He ought to give President Obama everything he just asked for in return for making the Bush income tax rates permanent for those under $1m a year in income.  How would that turn out?  The Republicans would get to share credit if things turned around quick, assign blame if things didn't (and they probably won't) and will finally be able to argue they are on the side of the working man.  

That's just one centrists thoughts.  But I'm in pretty good company with 60% or so of America.  Both parties ought to keep that in mind.  The party that grabs the middle wins. 

 

 

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#1) On September 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, leohaas (31.56) wrote:

"Is the Republican Party really only left with right wingers?  Are all the moderates gone?"

Certainly looks like it. Ronald Reagan was the last to see the Republican party as a big tent. That included moderates. Today, those are shunned as being RINOs.

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#2) On September 19, 2011 at 4:46 PM, truthisntstupid (83.28) wrote:

I was a republican then,

....but I'm all right now.

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#3) On September 19, 2011 at 4:47 PM, mm5525 (< 20) wrote:

Hopefully Romney will win the GOP primary. The more Perry sticks his foot in his mouth, the better Mitt looks. If Romney wins, Obama is toast. The Dems are salivating over the idea of an Obama-Perry matchup, as it is the only way Obama can ever hope to be re-elected, but, hopefully, for the betterment of this country, that won't happen. Romney will be impossible to beat in the General if he can make it there, in my humble view. I also think Perry reminds many of George Bush with the whole Texas/religious theme.

Disagree with you on 'implosion' of the GOP. It's healthy debate. All of those 8 will band together when push comes to shove to defeat Obama, and perhaps Newt said it best when he said (paraphrasing) Perry and Romney can scare all of you about Social Security reform, but Obama scares us every day, or something like that. Meanwhile, Huntsman has been a flame-thrower in the debates, but he is obviously a complete non-factor. The man simply does not matter, sadly, even if he does bring some good ideas to the table as well as moderate voice. He can help shape the debate as long as he sticks in the race. His attacks in the debates have fallen on, again, deaf ears.   

Do agree with you the general theory of centrism. It's what the country badly needs, but totally disagree with you that there has not been a shift to the Right. Look at 2010 and the past special elections in NY and NV for some trends. Obama has done more to divide the country than unite it, and that's absolutely undeniable.Look at how the unions are losing support at every turn. Look at the Left and how Harry Reid won't bring the "jobs" bill to the Senate (of course it needs to actually be finalized, whenever, I guess, Obama gets around to it). Look at how many Dems are flat-out sprinting away from Obama. Obama is on his last leg, and it's a shame he wasted his time in office on health care and Dodd-Frank rather than what should have been square one.... Jobs. Glad he's finally getting around to it, but even his base is absolutely disengaged, and unless the GOP absolutely screws up majorly, Obama will be unemployed in January 2013.

   

 

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#4) On September 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, PSU69 (90.74) wrote:

I was a card carrying Republican, donating for decades. When the Navy brat picked Palin, that did it for me. The Republicans have been obstuctionists hurting the economy and the people with their hard headed strategies. Idiots.

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#5) On September 19, 2011 at 5:39 PM, truthisntstupid (83.28) wrote:

Palin should have been the last straw for anyone not retarded

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#6) On September 19, 2011 at 6:26 PM, mm5525 (< 20) wrote:

Totally agree. That was a deplorable move by the GOP (Palin). I do not see them making that mistake this time. I personally think it will be Santorum as the VP, which is why he's hanging around trying to remain relevant. Hopefully we have a Romney-Santorum ticket. Would be awfully tough to beat. I just don't see how Obama would beat it. Of course, just my humble opinion.   

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#7) On September 19, 2011 at 6:43 PM, whereaminow (20.23) wrote:

David

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#8) On September 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, TheDumbMoney (43.71) wrote:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tea-party-primary-challenger-john-boehner-is-a-socialist/

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#9) On September 19, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Stopped reading after this- "I want to see two strong parties"..

That's the gist of the problem.  Just think how different our state of affairs would be right now had H. Ross won (hint- "giant sucking sound" of jobs going away with NAFTA, etc) but he never really stood a chance by not being part of the two party system.  Hate to say it but we might be saying the same about Dr Paul somewhere down the road.

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#10) On September 19, 2011 at 7:52 PM, kirkydu (93.60) wrote:

Ron Paul is right about half the stuff.  In particular his mind our own damn business approach is right more than it is wrong.  He's wrong about the way to handle the budget though.  President Obama's approach is much more correct. 

The two party system has been one of the reasons we are a great nation.  A strong President that people respect has been the other.  Reagan, who I think is extremely over-rated was the last President who was highly respected . Clinton, Bush II and Obama have ben disrespected non-stop and it is wrong, even when they are wrong. Degrading the Presidency for political agendas is dangerous and unAmerican.  It needs to stop. 

Interestingly (at least to me), I do think Independent challenges for the White House makes sense sometime.   But not for Congress.  Coalition government sucks, see almost any Parlimentary nation.

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#11) On September 19, 2011 at 8:07 PM, truthisntstupid (83.28) wrote:

BTW

Ross Perot had a chance.   I wanted him to win.  I voted for him.

McCain wasn't the first one to blow it with a poor choice for a running mate...unfortunately.

Perot's campaign was on fire until the night of the Vice-presidential candidate debates.

Poor Adm James Stockdale was way...way...out of his comfort zone.

Too bad for us.

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#12) On September 19, 2011 at 8:31 PM, truthisntstupid (83.28) wrote:

Of course, perhaps it just seemed that way to me...but everyone I knew was excited about Perot.

Oh, well...

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#13) On September 19, 2011 at 8:39 PM, truthisntstupid (83.28) wrote:

I don't think the GOP stands a chance because of their retarded obsession with keeping the far-right lunatic fringe happy, either, kirkydu.

But I doubt if I'll be much affected by either outcome.

I hate unions, so the dems piss me off...

And I don't make enough money for the repubs to care what I think.

Either the country'll get a lot better or it will get a lot worse.  As a $9 an hour cook that works anywhere from 45 up to 75 hours a week, as long as people can afford to eat, I'll be fine.

 

 

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#14) On September 19, 2011 at 8:55 PM, awallejr (81.55) wrote:

Well Perot self destructed when people starting actually quesioning his sanity towards the end.

McCain overestimated the "woman" card he tried to play to draw Hillary's supporters.  Personally I think Plain is a doll, she kills em, cleans em, cooks em, but she is a tad too wacky to have been a heart beat away from the Presidency.

Obama has just disappointed me.  I already did a blog on it.  If Romney is the challenger I might consider voting for him, otherwise I will wind up doing a write in throw away vote.

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#15) On September 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM, kirkydu (93.60) wrote:

@awall

Obama has been imperfect no doubt, but the "just say no" opposition has been mostly to blame.  He should have handled the tax code and done an infrastrucuture bill when the Dems had Congress.  The Repubs successfully stalled him out.  Pelosi deserves much of the blame for sure.  A throw away vote is throwing in the towel and saying just jam it in my arse with no lube to the Repub fringe.  If the Repubs take control of everything again, it'll get worse than 2008.

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#16) On September 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM, miteycasey (30.51) wrote:

It's all about compromise and the far right wing of the Reps. can't do it. The problem for the Republican canidates is that's where a large chunk of the money resides.

 

The perfect canidate would be middle-right leaning fisically who leans to the left socially, is for smaller government(defense included), and can compromise to get what they want.

The problem is there isn't any campaign funds for this type of person. And this is always the bottom line.

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#17) On September 20, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Zanibel17 (97.15) wrote:

Bravo to comment #7. 

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#18) On September 20, 2011 at 3:35 PM, rofgile (99.32) wrote:

I've been hearing that Huntsman is pretty good too lately.

Maybe he could run as an independent and the Republican party could fix their broken primary system next round?

(I'm hoping the R-party will pick some absurd and unelectable candidate.  I even think that describes Romney.  Another 4 years of Obama would be great, as long as congress reshuffles to be less "No" party and more compromise). 

 -Rof 

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#19) On September 21, 2011 at 2:16 AM, awallejr (81.55) wrote:

Another 4 years of Obama means another 4 years wasted.  Sorry, we are at a logjam.  Either the dems take back both houses or we at least give a Republican centrist a shot (like Romney). But as it stands now we are at an impasse.

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#20) On September 21, 2011 at 11:23 AM, LANaturist (99.18) wrote:

The Republicans have a history of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.  IMO, they have not nominated an acceptable candidate since 1984.  Because of that I have not voted for any Republican since 1984.  It goes without saying that I could never vote for a Democrat since I believe they all hate America and are looking for a one-world totalitarian communist dictatorship. 

It is my belief that we are headed to civil war.  The advice that I have been giving out, and following, is that people need to be purchasing metals.  Those metals should be gold, silver and lead.  The lead needs to be propelled by gunpowder so you can protect the gold and silver,  Stocking up on non-perishable food and water is also a good idea.

 

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#21) On September 21, 2011 at 1:55 PM, kirkydu (93.60) wrote:

I'd rather have an impasse than one party controlling everything again.  That has failed miserably every single time.

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