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Run on Greek Banks - black swan?

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May 16, 2012 – Comments (9) | RELATED TICKERS: NBG

Well, well, well - it looks like we have a good, old-fashioned bank run on our hands. According to http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-15/greek-president-told-banks-anxious-as-deposits-pulled.html, fearful depositors have yanked out '700 million euros ($891 million)'.

According to http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/05/16/euro-drops-after-report-regarding-greek-bank-operations/, it started when the ECB cut off funds to 4 Greek banks, and the bank run was on. These banks are running on negative equity (insolvent?) and need 'emergency liquidity assistance (ELA)' from the Greek central bank. I saw one editorial saying that the gov't must insure these funds right away (like the Fed did with US money market funds) before the Greek banking system collapses, unless it already has; if so, will this reassure depositors? We shall see (the government might simply be out of cash).

Depending on what happens the next couple of days, the Greek banking system might simply flatline, like the US did. Regardless of the impact on EU membership, this is sure to cause a deep, persistent recession (even worse than their current one), just like the US.

Is this an emerging 'black swan'? We will find out when the entire Greek banking system freezes solid; thanks to the Euro, they are intertwined with rest of the European Union. This would be a good time to make sure that you have good supply of Dramamine.

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#1) On May 16, 2012 at 8:34 PM, jerryguru69 (93.33) wrote:

AN AFTERTHOUGHT

In the Reuter's piece mentioned in the WSJ blog, there was a quote that the bank run was based on a misunderstanding by Greek depositors. Probably true: if I understand the sketchy material correctly, what happened to the 4 banks was roughly equivalent to the FDIC closing down Fred's Car-wash and Easy Banking Lounge, and therefore unrelated to the Greek banking system as such. Nevertheless, the fear created was very real, and Greeks proceeded to run all the Greek banks, not just the 4 insolvent banks. Stay tuned. 

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#2) On May 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM, rofgile (99.00) wrote:

The Greek's have partially defaulted by getting different loan payback terms and forcing lenders to take haircuts on their loans to Greece.

I think the world will survive the political turmoil in Greece.  Spain is still being played up as the next domino, but I don't think that is true.

While I wouldn't buy Greek companies, I definitely think other EU companies are on sale right now.  Think STD, BBVA, TEF, etc

 -Rof 

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#3) On May 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM, portefeuille (99.78) wrote:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+finland+%2F+greece.

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#4) On May 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM, portefeuille (99.78) wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece

GDP of a few countries (constant prices, National currency).

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#5) On May 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM, portefeuille (99.78) wrote:

So Finland, Greece, Ireland, Portugal have about the same GDP currently. And the sum of their GDP 2011 estimates is about equal to the GDP 2011 estimate of Spain, which again is about 0.3 times that of Germany.

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#6) On May 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM, portefeuille (99.78) wrote:

Thus the GDP comparisons for 2011 look about like this ...

Germany 100
France 72
Spain 29
Finland 7
Greece 7
Ireland 7
Portugal 7

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#7) On May 17, 2012 at 1:36 AM, traderbach (< 20) wrote:

Nice breakdown Portefeuille & good perspective!  Thanks!

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#8) On May 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM, ryanalexanderson (< 20) wrote:

Even up to six months ago, one would have to have been crazy to have money in a Greek bank. The outflow has been steady since then, and Monday was only a ramp-up (albeit a dramatic one). 

By that criterion, I wouldn't call it a black swan, by Taleb's definition. It was predictable, and you can be certain it was a scenario anticipated by the troika in their list of things that may go wrong. 

A black swan is an unknown unknown popping up, like - I don't know - the state of Arkansas suddenly deciding to secede from the US. 

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#9) On May 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM, leohaas (93.93) wrote:

A run on Greek banks in and of itself is not a black swan event. Even if the Greek banks will soon "flatline". We will have to see if it spreads first.

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