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August 17, 2010 – Comments (2)

Todays bounce sure feels very weak.

 

Shiller sees double-dip recession if jobs aren't created

By Cynthia Lin, MarketWatch 

Aug. 11, 2010, 1:18 p.m. EDT

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The U.S. economy has a "significant likelihood" of entering a double-dip recession if the government doesn't step in to help the unemployed, economist Robert Shiller told MarketWatch News Break on Wednesday.

The Yale University professor and author of the best-selling book "Irrational Exuberance" pinned the probability of a double-dip recession at more than a 50-50.

Shiller pointed to the nation's stubbornly-high unemployment as a root cause of lingering economic woes. And with the Federal Reserve running out of bullets to fight a second recession, he urged Congress to join the battle and focus on putting people back to work.

"Beyond the Fed, I'd like to see the government take a renewed stimulus package focused on creating jobs [and] on activities that involve a lot of people," Shiller said. Listen to Shiller interview.

The Fed released a statement on Tuesday showing it took a step to spur economic growth while keeping interest rates at record lows. That did little to encourage investors. In recent trading, the Dow Jones Industrial Average /quotes/comstock/10w!i:dji/delayed (DJIA 10,360, +58.13, +0.56%) was down 242 points, or 2.2%, at 10,401 points. The S&P 500 Index /quotes/comstock/21z!i1:in\x (SPX 1,089, +9.12, +0.85%) was down 2.7%.

While the Fed still has other ways to support the economy, such as halting interest payments on reserves or even taxing reserves, that alone may not be enough to prevent risks of a double-dip.

"The Fed's latest statement shows they're on this, but I'm not so sure Congress is on this," said Shiller. "There is significant likelihood of [a second recession] if the government doesn't do something. I'm worried [unemployment] is not going to self-correct."

In response to having to dig even deeper into fiscal debt, Shiller said costs of a jobs-oriented stimulus should not be an overriding concern.

"If we focus on creating job, it's not as expensive as you might think."

Cynthia Lin is a MarketWatch reporter based in New York.

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GDP much weaker in second quarter, economists say

By Greg Robb, MarketWatch

Aug. 11, 2010, 1:49 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Growth in the U.S. economy from April through June was probably much softer than first estimated by the government, private economists said Wednesday after updated trade figures for June were published showing higher imports.

"The markets might face their biggest downside economic surprise of this recent growth slowdown yet in the form of a downward second quarter gross domestic product revision, which today's U.S. trade deficit figures suggest will be a whopper," wrote analysts at Action Economics.

 

Instead of growing at a 2.4% annualized pace in the second quarter, real gross domestic product will likely be cut almost in half to a 1.3% annual rate, according to economists surveyed by MarketWatch.

Worries about the health of the U.S. economy, as well as in China and other regions, drove a downturn in world stock markets Wednesday. See Market Snapshot.

The government's first estimate of quarterly GDP growth for a quarter includes assumptions for the third month for inventories and trade.

Government economists had expected the deficit to widen but the June data surprised everyone.

The report was "spectacularly terrible," said Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics. See full story.

The June trade deficit rose to $49.9 billion from $42 billion, well above the consensus of $42.5 billion.

Government analysts defended their assumptions, as real GDP figures over time have had an average revision of a half percentage point.

"We try to make the best assumptions; we are not always right," said Brent Moulton, associate director for national economic accounts at the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Moulton said the government economists do not have access to any information that is unavailable to private economists.

 

The government assumed that imports would spike higher in June. But they missed on their assumption that the imported goods would flow into higher inventories.

The Commerce Department is scheduled to release revised second-quarter GDP estimates on Aug. 27.

Michael Feroli, economist at JPMorgan Chase, said the GDP was disturbingly low but should not be overstated.

"While this is a disturbingly low number, it should be pointed out that very little of the incoming data imply downward revisions to domestic final sales."

Domestic final sales, a proxy of demand because it excludes inventory behavior, rose 1.3% in the second quarter, just a shade higher than the average 1% gain since the recovery started last year.

 

The trade and inventory data has economists scratching their heads. Stronger imports typically mean stronger demand.

"A broad-based increase in the demand for foreign products doesn't sound like an economy that is faltering to me," wrote Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisers.

Feroli described the surge in imports as "missing socks" -- they don't appear in any data. Retail sales and inventories were weak in the second quarter.

"It is not obvious where all these goods are going," Feroli said.

Economists are torn about what this means for the second half of the year.

Forecasters are looking for growth of about 2.5% in the final two quarters of the year, according to the MarketWatch survey.

Some analysts believe that the higher import numbers will be a drag on third quarter growth. Others think that imports will take a breather, boosting growth a bit in the second half.

Analysts at Macroeconomic Advisers, who send out running tabulations of current-quarter GDP growth, said they trimmed their third-quarter GDP estimate to a 2.4% rate from the previous forecast of 3%.

Lost in the fury over faster imports is the poor performance of U.S. exports in June, which is "bad news: clear as the ring in a bell," said Robert Brusca, chief economist at FAO Economics.

Exports were down 1.3% in June and earlier strong gains have stagnated in the past four months.

Germany, Japan and China are all exporting much more than they are importing, Brusca noted.

"Our exports ... are headed for an ever-shrinking target it seems: foreign growth," he said.

Economists said that could push Congress to enact last-minute protectionist measures ahead of the November midterm elections.

Greg Robb is a senior reporter for MarketWatch in Washington.

 

 

 

 

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#1) On August 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, IBDvalueinvestin (99.67) wrote:

AHHH the "SUN is Shining on the market today" DJIA up +173 points.

I have seen this so many times, I know , I know you got suckered in full throttle today, it always happens when the market goes over +150 for physcological reasons. 

Only problem is that the economy has slowed in August and those numbers will be coming out in the first week of Sept. 

Just when all the Hedge funds come back from vacation. What do you think  they will do when they see the bad economic news ? "Short against your shares" 

 They will short, you will sell. Few will buy,, end result will be another round of market selloff. 

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#2) On August 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, IBDvalueinvestin (99.67) wrote:

Rally is fading with Sun , as the day is coming to a close so is the rally.

From +173 to  108 at 3:57pm thats a sign that Institutions took profits from 3-4pm.

They are selling into strength, thats a bad sign. 

 

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