April 21, 2011
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I have mentioned Solar Millennium in the comment section of this post.
Blythe: The world’s largest solar power plant
Blythe Solar Power Project
Solar Millennium Surges After $2.1 Billion U.S. Loan Guarantees Approved
Feds Grant $2.1 Billion Loan Guarantee for California Solar Farm
Blythe Solar Project Simulation.
nicer than a nuclear power plant, hehe ...
Solar Millennium (S2M:GY) in Xetra trading.
the video from here.
Nevada Solar One
Nevada Solar One (wikipedia)
ACCIONA - Nevada Solar One video
porty, you really didn't say anything.
Please take a moment to convince a skeptic like me that this isn't like the thousands of other vaporware solar proposals.
I'd love a great solar project to work and we've made great strides with thin film solar, but the fact is that the cost basis for solar still can't compete and that is even with government assistance.
Geothermal is there as far as a price point.
Wind is almost there.
Solar still has a long way to go.
Convince me otherwise porty.
and, barely related, ...
Come on porty!
Promotional videos are nice, but give me some numbers.
You got graphs.
I know it.
I'd love solar to be viable, but it's not viable yet.
Don't show me the math about a company.
Show me something about solar.
It doesn't have to be "something about solar" that it makes it viable. Any one can see where the cost of oil is going, happily preparing to making solar viable all on its own.
Coal as an answer passes its pollution costs onto taxpayers, redistributing financial gain to a few individuals and legacy costs onto the vast majority through pollution and the destruction of agriculture and water resources - a cost currently borne by farmers and other water and food consumers that is not directly reflected in energy costs but can be understood to exist.
Shale gas mining - hydrofracing not the kinder gentler term of enhanced extraction techniques (don't you hate when the Government tries to soft sell something by renaming it?) - will leave a legacy of gas migrating up through damaged rock formations for hundreds of years. Well casings designed to last for fifty years of extraction will be asked to seal wells for centurys, just as we are now finding the nuclear power industry unable to afford to close aging nuclear power plants and instead begging to extend their lifetimes even as they begin to crumble and leak. Natural cracks expanded in size by by the pressure of hydro fracing in rock formations will become vents for unmined nat gas and methane left behind when the drillers can no longer extract profitably. Costs that will be borne by all taxpayers if we are lucky, or just impoverish those directly exposed if not. But rest assured, those few who profit the most from the extraction will be long gone, their paychecks in bank accounts, their former companys lobbying Governments to absolve them of financial responsibility, and farm and dairy land lost with its clean water supplies, driving supplies of food down and costs of food up.
And it is those extremely high, untaxed incomes that are the mechanism through which our countrys wealth of clean water and productive farmland is transferred to hedgefunds, ceo's and investors like us, stolen from rural farmers and small landowners by the destruction of their property and incomes along with their water supplies.
But wait! I to have a video!
What's the energy gain ratio on a solar plant over it's full lifecycle?