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Somalian Pirates: Really So Bad?

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April 17, 2009 – Comments (17) | RELATED TICKERS: AA , H

Check this article out to see the other side of the pirate story. Here are a few quotes:

"Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention.""

They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas."

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17 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On April 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM, whereaminow (< 20) wrote:

Also, hilarious tickers.  That cracked me up.  I'm tempted to throw up Craig Ferguson's pirate impression but I don't want to hijack your post.

David in Qatar

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#2) On April 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, madmoney151 (29.16) wrote:

Great, you know what other group uses "we are just defending ourselves" defense to justify committing criminal activity and has wide local support, Al-Qaeda.  Just because the western government spin isn't entirely coherent (surprise surprise) doesn't mean we should continue to glorify gangsters.  Drug runners in Mexico are also local heroes, killers, kidnappers, etc.

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#3) On April 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM, madmoney151 (29.16) wrote:

Oh yeah, and

“From there, they got greedy,” said Mohamed Osman Aden, a Somali diplomat in Kenya. “They starting attacking everyone.” 

“It’s true that the pirates started to defend the fishing business,” Mr. Mohamed said. “And illegal fishing is a real problem for us. But this does not justify these boys to now act like guardians. They are criminals. The world must help us crack down on them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/world/africa/01pirates.html?scp=3&sq=pirate&st=cse

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#4) On April 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Effloresce (32.69) wrote:

Well, no matter what reasons the Somali pirates are claiming as being their motivation, the fact is that prior to this past week their acts of piracy had been entirely bloodless, and they treated their hostages very, very well so far as pirates went, often roasting goat meat for them and allowing them the use of cell phones to call their loved ones and let them know they were ok.

However, now that blood has been spilled the game has changed, and they've now said that there will be no mercy whatsoever for anyone deemed to be of French or American background.

I was thrilled to death with the rescue of the captain of the Maersk Alabama, but the downside to that is that we may have just opened up a whole new Pandora's box of trouble by killing the pirates as we did.

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#5) On April 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, goldminingXpert (29.43) wrote:

Madmoney, hope you don't mind if I dispose of some, um, chemical wastes in your backyard. I assume you won't do anything to defend your property, right? Good, the GMX mafia will be by later on this evening with a "special" delivery.

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#6) On April 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, madmoney151 (29.16) wrote:

That's not what i mean and you know it.  But piracy is not the answer, neither is hunting pirates.  The rest of the world and Somalia itself needs to work towards a stable government to protect its interests.  Stop being a fool and think about it critically.

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#7) On April 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM, madmoney151 (29.16) wrote:

And as an addendum to my point, the dumping of waste began happening after the government broke down.  You see a connection?  Dumping apparently has not stopped after the pirating begun.  Which one looks like a real solution to you?

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#8) On April 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Schmacko (65.43) wrote:

If the pirates were only interdicting dumpers and illegal fishers they'd actually have a moral high ground.  They're not.  They hijack anyone they can.  This is about money now, not protecting somalia's coastal waters.  The hijackings now range so far out that they aren't even in Somalia's economic zone. 

Please stop victimizing criminals.

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#9) On April 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM, whereaminow (< 20) wrote:

Schmacko,

I agree. And we should also stop victimizing world governments when they are clearly act criminally as well.

David in Qatar

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#10) On April 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, GNUBEE (28.76) wrote:

I don't get it, why dump off of Somalia, when you can go to deeper waters where your toxic dumping will never be found?

Location choice just seems "fishy", if you were going to illegally dump, why not go somewhere closer and much much deeper? (middle atlantic?) Makes me think that someone in Somalia was being paid to "take" the stuff. 

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#11) On April 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM, clanza875 (33.12) wrote:

Don't believe everything you read. This is a bunch of BS to justify their illegal hijackings. They should be dealt with harshly.

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#12) On April 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM, tonylogan1 (27.91) wrote:

It is still interesting to know both sides of the story.

It does not justify murder, but police still like to find out what the motives are behind the crimes.

A good lesson we should learn from this would be to not taunt people in the first place, which only leads to them having some internal "justification" for escalating bad acts. The "justification" helps recruitment efforts, and helps with securing financing for a "bad-guy" group start-up.

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#13) On April 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Melaschasm (64.08) wrote:

From what I have read, some Somali warlords sold the rights to dump waste into Somali waters to some shady Europeans.

The pirates started out going after waste dumping and foreign fishing.  However, after getting a huge payout for the return of a ship and its crew, the pirates got greedy and started targeting innocence legal ships, including UN aid ships going to Somali to provide food and medicine to the people for free.

These pirates are evil scum who know they are attacking innocent people for profit.  Americans now have to ask themselves, should we just stay away from Somalia, or should we send in the military? 

Personally I think the USA should just stay away.  The USA does not need to ship any products through that area if we stop providing food and medicine to those nations in the region (we can still help African countries located far from Somalia).  If we must continue sending US aid ships to Somalia, then the US Navy should escort the US aid ships, but otherwise the US should avoid the area. 

Europe does need to keep those waters safe for international shipping, so they can go ahead and take care of the problem in whatever way they consider best.

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#14) On April 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Kenaida22 (< 20) wrote:

Hey Gmx,

You called this leg up, uptil 920 S&P I beleive, you still aiming for 920, or are you tearning bearish?

 Thanks

 

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#15) On April 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM, usmilitiadude (31.37) wrote:

Seems plausable, with just the right amount of vagueness of an urban legend. Locals like pirates because they bring in amazing amounts of wealth. Nothing like big bundles of money falling from the sky. It may be true, but then it is the classic two wrongs make a right.

This area needs to be safe because it leads to the Suez Canal. The people of Somalia need a stable government, don't ask me how. 

 

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#16) On April 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM, motleyanimal (89.08) wrote:

Now really, there must be jobs at Disneyland or Las Vegas for these pirates.

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#17) On April 18, 2009 at 7:35 PM, MasterMind1234 (23.92) wrote:

Ahhhr well ye land lubbers should be keelhauled down ta Davey Jones locker fer thinkin' this piracy is justified! There be no treasure in nuclear waste on them ships! Only greed shall make a pirate rich. Set the sails and jump the ship!? Ahhr not fer me American men! Alas a hearty reason turned sour shall not make two wrongs make a right! A real swash bucklin' pirate would be featured on Pirates of the Carribean! Ahhhr! With thy guillotine face port side! Off with ther heads!! With the first  bloodshed others shall follow! Justified fer what?!?

What if YOUR ship had been jumped and hijacked? Does that make it okay for them to do that if you had nothing to do with this illegal dumping? Come on, lets be serious... Okay maybe started off as a noble cause... MAYBE... BUT now it's everyone.. So if you were on a ship and it happened to you, would you just say,"Oh it's cool I know it's for a good cause" NO YOU WOULDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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