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October 25, 2009 – Comments (9)

I challenge those who know little of the wars to watch this video. 

Total Monetary Control = Total State = Total War

David in Qatar

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#1) On October 25, 2009 at 6:24 AM, weg915 (< 20) wrote:

Thanks for posting the video. 

Every once in a while something happens with your kids that leaves you awe struck.  Proving that what you say and do matters, and influences.  The other day my child was listening to the song "popular" from Wicked.  With out any instigation on my part, she turned it off and informed me how truthful the lyrics were.  She related it not only to jr. high but to the world in general.  Her arguments were keenly observed, brutal and incisive.  Breathtaking.

when i see depressing creatures,
with unprepossessing features,
i remind them on their own behalf
to - think - of
celebrated heads of state,
or specially great communicators!
did they have brains or knowledge?
don't make me laugh!

they were POPULAR!
please! it's all about popular.
it's not about aptitude,
it's the way you're viewed,
so it's very shrewd to be,
very very popular like ME! 

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#2) On October 25, 2009 at 8:16 PM, tonylogan1 (28.22) wrote:

I remain surprised (I guess surprised is the word I'll use), that very few Obama supporters who so loudly enphasized how voting for him was important since he was for change and would get us out of the war in Iraq, even today sit idly by, and do not question the fact that very little has changed over the past 9 months in office.

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#3) On October 25, 2009 at 11:46 PM, alstry (35.03) wrote:

Are you sure CAPs is ready for this????

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#4) On October 26, 2009 at 1:30 AM, wolfhounds (28.89) wrote:

This is crap and I only listened to the first 30 seconds. The creator of this video, and those who think it relates something new and important, have a knowledge of history that extends 30 seconds. And they have virtually no knowledge of those who have fought in wars.

Human history is filled with the same story, over and over again. So is the plain fact that the vast majority of veterans of any war hate the wars they fought in. Talk to some WWII veterans and you'd be surprised. What makes this video and the so called "what we don't know about Iraq" so laughable is the greatest truth about war. 

Aeschylus (525 - 456 B.C.) quote - In war, truth is the first casualty.

I found that out my first week in Vietnam. Doesn't change a thing for those who fight for this country. Did those of you who voted for Obama REALLY think he would end the war? You weren't listening too closely to his speeches.

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#5) On October 26, 2009 at 1:32 AM, wolfhounds (28.89) wrote:

This is crap and I only listened to the first 30 seconds. The creator of this video, and those who think it relates something new and important, have a knowledge of history that extends 30 seconds. And they have virtually no knowledge of those who have fought in wars.

Human history is filled with the same story, over and over again. So is the plain fact that the vast majority of veterans of any war hate the wars they fought in. Talk to some WWII veterans and you'd be surprised. What makes this video and the so called "what we don't know about Iraq" so laughable is the greatest truth about war. 

Aeschylus (525 - 456 B.C.) quote - In war, truth is the first casualty.

I found that out my first week in Vietnam. Doesn't change a thing for those who fight for this country. Did those of you who voted for Obama REALLY think he would end the war? You weren't listening too closely to his speeches.

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#6) On October 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM, nzsvz9 (< 20) wrote:

David,

I know I've been quiet for a while, but matters of business have kept me quiet as of late.

However, I needed to post a thought or two to this video. If as wolfhounds quotes Aeschylus - one would extend that thought to this video as well. Truth is a three-edged sword; your view, my view, and the truth itself. This video is as much propaganda as anything proponents of the war would produce.

There is a point I believe we can agree to. The United States has gone far past the role of encouraging freedom for the world, to become much more like an empire than is constitutional. I too believe we should bring our troops home from everywhere in the world they are deployed, even in the war zones. We should not be an empire. ANY other country could petition the United States to join the United States ... as we moved from 13 to 50 states through our history. We should not extend our influence beyond our borders militarily until such a time as a clear threat to the people of the United States has been clearly determined. How much of the agression to the United States has come from a foriegn policy which has been flawed - supporting dictators and regimes (and in this region in particular) -- like our support for the Coup of Musharraf against the will of the Pakistani people, like our support of Saddam to fight Iran, and our support of the Mujahadden to fight the Soviets -- both forces we ended up engaged with when our policies changed. These were not the threat to the United States as was the Nazi party in Germany -- although comparison are frought with huge differences (there are not many to go on).

We should at the same time cast adrift the United Nations ... exorcise it from our land and our laws. It is as anti-American an institution which has not prevented war (much like the Fed has not prevented recessions, and much like the great society has not prevented poverty, but I digress).

The Constitution clearly defines a role for the government to protect the people. The expansionist empire (your word) of the United States has not done so. The one-world leanings of the United Nations has not done so. We have been and are intertwined with brigands and thieves - dictators and communists - fanatics and despots. Our founding fathers wanted treaties with few and trade with all.

We have strayed. 

If we desire to insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War.

George Washington, Annual Message, December 1793

Ready for war. From here at home. As a last resort. I am humbled by anyone who serves. We help pack boxes through the desert angels organization - to send some things to the troops. My neighbor came back from Sadr city, and is an exceptional person. Another friend is in Afghanistan now. I am astounded at their bravery and committment to this nation. I am appalled at our foreign policy - and have been since I can remember.

It's been more than 100 days Mr. President. I didn't vote for you, but you promised to bring the troops home and end the war. Guantanamo is still open. We are still in Iraq. We are about to send more troops to Afghanistan. I never believed in your hope and change - it souned like empty rhetoric to me -- now I know it is.

If other posters care to flame this post, so be it. I can't change the policy of this country. I will continue to vote Libertarian so long as I am allowed to vote --  in the hope that one day we can be the shining beacon of light, even if we are to be all alone in the night. I would rather be here as an example to the world, the envy of the world, than forcing our version of freedom on others.

I am almost in tears as I write this.

Known by the signers of the Constitution as nzsvz9

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#7) On October 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, DaretothREdux (49.28) wrote:

nzsvz9,

I second that.

Dare

I dared to speak out...and the post was removed.

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#8) On October 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, joebud07 (< 20) wrote:

i have just sat through and watched what some see as the truth. it makes me sick to my stomache to see my own countrymen despise what our country and military does. do we not realize we are tearing ourselves apart over issues that will never change?

i serve in the united states military and i am proud to do so. i do realize that we have "overstayed our welcome" in southwest asia, and you better believe all of us would rather be home enjoying our lives in the country we love. but maybe if the people who made this video actually spent time there they would understand the other perpective of this war.

people in the military that commit the war crimes they dwell on so much in this video get severely punished as they should. but you must also realize we dont all rape the women, we dont hurt the kids, and we dont kill civilians. in fact it may surprise you to learn that we protect there people at the cost of our own lives if need be.

we are not just dumb, stupid animals used as pawns. we are the men and women who protect your rights. including the one that allows you to protest against us.

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#9) On October 29, 2009 at 2:20 PM, whereaminow (42.76) wrote:

joebud07,

I don't think anyone here paints with such a broad brush. I don't. I can't. I spent 10 years in the Corps.  I have many friends doing multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I have a loved one in Baghdad.  They're not bad people. I love them.

But this war needs to end. Now.

David in Qatar

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