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This is my story and my plan!

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October 23, 2009 – Comments (27) | RELATED TICKERS: EEV , SPY , FAZ

What is a man with no plan?  Well, I have a plan for y'all!!!  First my story up to today. 

I am a student teacher.  I also have a side job.  I began investing during the summer of 2007, when I met a co-counselor at at summer camp in California who had me open an account with "25 free trades" at Zecco.com.  Zecco swiftly lowered the number and then eliminated the free trades entirely, but that's another story.  I bought some mutual funds from American Funds based on Morningstar research I did in my library... I remember American Balanced and American EuroPacific.  I also bought some speculative stocks from an article I read about 25 stocks for the next 25 years.  I recall bankrate being among them; I don't feel like looking into others... anyways, I didn't really touch any of those purchases until the Summer of 2008, when I had made some more money and was ready to invest 1-2K into stocks again.  

 I remember thinking, "I'm going to look back on this time (it was the summer olympics in China) as an amazing time to invest (watching the opening ceremony, feeling inspired blah blah blah!).  I bought FXI, and for reasons that I'm through today unsure of a Singapore ETF, as well as Chesapeake Energy and a few others based on what I believed to be extensive research through Morningstar, my laughably ignorant "chart reading" (I had no freaking idea; I really don't have a better idea now) and through Jim Cramer's show and site.  Alright, I'm in business! 

Then last fall's events began.  I sold out at about a 10% loss, not because I foresaw ANYTHING, but because I had so little to invest and had lost *so* much already, in addition to the losses I took in the American Mutual Funds.  I felt that I was done with the stock market for awhile, money wasn't easy to make.  Then last fall's events took hold.  I watched in awe.  I then bought some stocks on the way down, sold some on a bounce and some on a loss, never taking any losses or making any gains, through November, at which point I felt I HAD to buy stocks.  

My main impetus (plural?) were two-fold; I felt that I had the advantage of having not really lost any money in stocks, and I loved Barack Obama and felt that he would bring *change* to the US and to stocks... blah blah!!  (I still love B. Obama, but so much hath changed).  I bought into a Matthews Asian mutual fund for 1K, as well as a USB scout for another 1K.  Cha-ching!  I sold both for about a 15% gain my biggest win in stocks EVER!!!  

Then my foolishness not Motley-Foolishness began.  After I sold the funds I watched the market continue to rise through January; how could this be happening.  I didn't understand it; the economy still seemed screwed!  I liked Obama, but I wasn't sure . . . of so much . . . and the market just *had* to go lower.  I don't know how I got the idea, but this is where the foolishness began: I bought EEV, the ultrashort emerging markets ETF.  I didn't have any idea what I was doing; I saw that previously it had reached sky-high prices and figured it had to do so again.  I bought it and watched it decrease in value over the course of my Christmas holiday and into January; I doubled down, I had all of my non-cash money invested in this leveraged fund that I didn't understand in the faintest.  I lost money.  Then the market began it's decline, and like the novice I was (oh, looking back) I sold it after I was within 5-10% of my cost-basis, called it approximately even with the gains from my mutual fund buys, and felt OK.

Then the market trended lower, bounced, and trended lower, and harder.  I bought stocks through Zecco.  I did my research through Morningstar, started reading financial sites including Motley Fool, read a book on Warren Buffet, and got into stocks hardcore; I began reading the news daily.  I felt like the market was coming down too hard.  I bought BAC, it went to 5 bucks, I bought more, it went to 8 bucks, my largest gain ever, I didn't sell, it came down to $3.50, I had no money to buy more, it came up to $5.50 and I sold it.  At the market's bottom in March I had all my money invested long in stocks, with BAC about half my portfolio, along with HMC, CBOU, AMZN, GOOG, BRK-B.  I swear this to be true.  The market rallied into late March and at the first 10% gain I had enough; I had lost more than that averaging down as the market dove into February and March, and decided that THIS time I was done for good.  Little did I know. . . 

The largest rally of my generation was about to occur.  I watched stocks head higher through my birthday in April.  I watched them head higher into June, and let the madness begin again. . . I began to short the market with DOG (short Dow, as I told myself I learned my lesson to avoid leveraged shorts!!!).  I also bought some mutual funds "for the long term" and "just for the hell of it" expecting them to stay about even, or to make money in a number of years, but certainly not expecting short term gains.  I watched over the summer as my casual mutual fund picks turned into my biggest winners yet (accidentally, honestly) and watched as my shorts continued to lose money and I continued to plow into them hard-earned money "knowing" that the market had to come down.  

As I wrote a few weeks ago, since I began investing I've lost more money in DOG than any other trade by far.  This brings us approximately to the present.  I am wrapping up school, student teaching, and meanwhile have been earning a decent but hardly substantial amount of money at my side job, and have watched this enormous rally take hold.  Despite my love of Barack Obama and my faith in the people in this country, I feel like I've never seen madness like this; I feel like investors don't understand that the world is changing; I feel like investors don't understand how hard it is for my peers to get jobs.  I can't tell you how few of my friends who are graduating (from a pretty good school!) actually get or even aspire to real jobs with salaries; most are happy to be employed at an hourly rate by Barnes and Noble!  Long story short, as you can read on CAPs, I started calling for a top to the market in September, at DOW 9400.  

I wrote a few other "Market Top" blogs through September and into the present month, and at the beginning of this week wrote a CAPS that this is the moment we've been waiting for.  I also expressed my belief earlier that we as a country are at the beginning of a Great Depression-like scenario, and that the low set in March won't be final, and that I'm interested in buying stocks when the DOW reaches 4000 and lower, and that I believe some bottom will take place around DOW 1600.  Where did all these opinions come from?  I was just a novice one year ago, without any idea, without a clue really!  (I bet I still am now).  Regardless these are my thoughts and opinions and I'm sticking to them.

On that note, my current holdings are my most aggressive since I began investing two years ago.  I opened a margin account, and have a large stake in SH.  I also have positions (woah doggy! the insanity is back! oye) as of this week in TZA, EDZ, and FAZ (~2k in each).  I plan to buy another 2k each into DRV and TZA.  Then I plan to wait until the market gets close to 4k.  I've learned a little; not enough. 

If you recognize your folly in my reflection, cheers!  If you recognize any wisdom mixed with immaturity, cheers.  If you think I'm a fool (not a Motley Fool, but a regular dopey-fool), cheers.  If you learned anything from me, cheers.  And if you're laughing at me then CHEERS!  May you make money and be well and live a rich life regardless..

27 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On October 23, 2009 at 11:33 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

I need at least a sympathy-rec y'all (the first rec, was my own :(...)

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#2) On October 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, JibJabs (95.65) wrote:

I think you sell too much. Check out what Warren Buffett has to say about that habit:

 

http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html 

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#3) On October 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

My folly indeed, thanks for the comment..

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#4) On October 23, 2009 at 11:43 PM, ease1 (73.23) wrote:

Yea, reading your story I got the feeling that you just had some really bad timing with all this market termoil.  I'm not completely on board with Buffett's "hold for ever" strategy (it does work) but I am looking at least 10yrs + out for any of my current investments.

Sometimes you have to call a dog a dog and cut your losses, but good careful research will usually keep you out of that situation.

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#5) On October 24, 2009 at 12:48 AM, stockrevealer (34.48) wrote:

look. You don't have enough money. I bet you don't even have an emergency fun. You should NOT play with stocks at this moment. If I were you I would just save money by any means possible...no credit cards, no starbucks, no nothing and look for better jobs or even get more education.

If you are under 30 I even suggest you go to other countries that are experiencing booming business like Vietnam or other countries and look for a job there. They may only pay yuou 2000 dollars a month in those countries but you can save a lot of it.

Or I would work on something big...like becoming an actor or have a big invention or something like that. This country is not good for middle class anymore. You are either poor or rich. If you want a middle ground you are in the wrong place.

There are also some states in the U.S. that are enjoying some growth and good living standards.

If you absolutly think you need to invest in stock markets there are 2 things that you need to know.

First, invest every month. Like every month buy $200 worth of stocks. Invest in conservative stocks right now. Something like GE or Proctor & gamble.....don't get near crazy stocks, because then you will become like a gambler. Then you lose focus, then you become speculative.

Find maybe 5 conservative stocks in 5 different fields; Energy, Technology, Biotechnology, Pharmacuticals, banking. Then stop thinking or playing with it.

Be mature...come on.

But like I said again, you need a lot of money to be a winner in stocks....stop dreaming and keep doing stuff.

Invest in yourself...try to start a business, try to do risky things. You can make way way more money.

If you read some of my posts you will see that actually most rich people I know don't invest in stocks at all and never had.

Stocks are risky and is like gambling, it will never substitute a good paying job or a good business.

The problem with the young generation is that they think they can get rich fast or they think they are passing on a great deal here....but that doesn't even apply to you because you have no real money.

Talk about stocks or come to thihs sight when you have atleast 200K in savings.

DON'T waste yout time!!!!!

 

 

 

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#6) On October 24, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Streetlife373 (< 20) wrote:

 

    Well it's an interesting read, and I certainly do feel bad for you that in a lot of ways you were just another victim of bad market timing.  However, when I read stories like yours i'm sorry I just can't help rolling my eyes.  Here we go again... another guy looking to get rich in the stock market with no capital or experience to do it with.

 

      The bottom line is, you CAN'T get rich in the stock market with so little money to spend.  I'm not knocking you, i'm just saying, a few thousand isn't nearly enough.  In your case, with only a few thousand dollars, there is only one way to grow that:

 

     Invest your money in strong, stable, dividend paying companies.  Continue investing in them regularly, a few hundred bucks here and there goes a long way.  Then, simply wait... and wait... and when you're tired of waiting, wait some more.

 

      We're talking 15-20 years at least here.  That's the only way someone like you will ever turn your small amount of money into something significant.  Don't be fooled by high yields.  The three things you really want to look for are:

 1)  Dividend Payout Ratio of 30 - 60%.  Something in that range will mean they pay significant amounts, but the dividend is still safe.

 2)  5 Year Average Dividend Increase.  This is where the real money is.  Forget the yield, shoot for companies with high dividend INCREASES.

3)  Companies with strong brands, large moats, big market share, growing industries, and companies you think will still be here in 20 years.  Easier said then done right? 

 

RECOMMENDATIONS:

 

     Now, unlike Motley fool articles, i'm actually going to give you some names to start your research.  These are ALL my personal holdings.  I hold at least 10,000 USD in each of these, and in most cases 20-30k in each.  I would only recommend stocks I personally had the guts to put real money in.

 

CHL,  PM,  JNJ,  BP,  CEO,   TU,   KO,   PEP,  MCD,   WM,   ABT,   KMB,   OKS,  PAYX,   PETS,   IPHS

 

 Remember, for someone with the kind of money you're talking about, the only way to make it multiply is by going the long term dividend route.

 

Good luck

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#7) On October 24, 2009 at 1:54 AM, starbucks4ever (99.57) wrote:

Don't get greedy. If you want to short, stick with SH. Stay away from TZA and FAZ.

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#8) On October 24, 2009 at 6:38 AM, throwerw (30.63) wrote:

do not short this market.  give your money to a value investor or a respected value-oriented mutual fund, forget about it, and spend your time on something more fruitful.

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#9) On October 24, 2009 at 6:43 AM, throwerw (30.63) wrote:

and by the way, buying triple-leveraged short financial etfs is NOT investing.  do not call yourself an investor.  you are just gambling, and doing it in the worst way possible.  it's ridiculous that you would even mention Buffett's name in your post.  the odds are completely rigged against you if you buy into these funds.  why would you work and save money if you are just going to flush it down the toilet?

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#10) On October 24, 2009 at 11:42 AM, portefeuille (99.75) wrote:

You might want to have a look at this post (read a few of the articles linked to comment #22) and this post.

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#11) On October 24, 2009 at 11:57 AM, djkumquat (< 20) wrote:

reread response #6. reread it again. and again. don't invest in what you don't know or understand. ever. someone mentioned stable companies like GE. GE is not my idea of stable anymore (i personally like COP & CNI any time they get below $45 as a safe place to put money that i won't touch for 10 years). and stay away from mutual funds since a good one for you will probably be doing the same thing as #6, but charging you a fee.

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#12) On October 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM, rexlove (99.05) wrote:

You kinda remind me of me when I first started investing. Although I had more sense than to go on margin and play with anything that was leveraged. You could win big but you're odds are probably as good as what you would get at a Vegas roulette table.

Read some of the posts above. There is some good advice here from some more seasoned investors. You're setup to lose big. You remind me of GMX (another novice investor) who decided to go all-in back in the summer and put all his money in put options which are pretty much worthless at this point. Never gamble in the stock market - you';; get burned in the long run.

You need to INVEST your money kid.

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#13) On October 24, 2009 at 4:18 PM, truthisntstupid (85.16) wrote:

Invest in a hardback copy of "The Intelligent Investor." 

Invest in "The Little Book that Builds Wealth."  This is a little book written by the head of stock research at Morningstar, Pat Dorsey.  It is a whole book about different types of moats and how to recognize a company with a strong moat, be it from switching costs, network effects, the size advantage, or cost advantages, finding and recognizing moats, intangible assets, how to tell if a moat is eroding, etc.

Invest in a couple good books on dividend investing.  "All About Dividend Investing"  by Chuck Schrieber (not sure I spelled his name right - I can't look at it because someone's ALWAYS borrowing it!)  is very good.

Invest in learning more or keep throwing your money away.

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#14) On October 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM, FreeTruth (< 20) wrote:

There are many good suggestions, especially avoiding margain accounts and FAZ. Margain is really not for small time investors, as you will invariably end up with losers and the margain just amplifies this loss. One other I would throw out there is that you should consider making all of these investments via a Roth IRA. You will have limits to the money, but all of the dividends and capital gains will be tax free! With the amount of time you have, that will be a significant amount of money.

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#15) On October 24, 2009 at 7:51 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

#5 Stock Revealer: You wrote: I would work on something big...like becoming an actor or have a big invention or something like that. This country is not good for middle class anymore. You are either poor or rich. If you want a middle ground you are in the wrong place.

My real income is secured; I'm about ready to teach h.s. biology and chemistry, have a solid b.s. degree, live in a state (do any not?) that has a great need for qualified h.s. teachers in math and science.  I'm looking forward to a solid middle class career I promise I won't mess it up!!!

You wrote: But like I said again, you need a lot of money to be a winner in stocks....stop dreaming and keep doing stuff.

Invest in yourself...try to start a business, try to do risky things. You can make way way more money.

True foolishness!  Thanks for your comment truly thou.

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#16) On October 24, 2009 at 7:52 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

#6 Streetlife: Thanks for the real advice

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#17) On October 24, 2009 at 7:53 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

#7 zloj, that's good advice... I'm taking on a lot of risk!

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#18) On October 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

Throwererw: I agree that it isn't investing.  I'm not interested in investing; I am interested in winning the game!  To that end I admire W. Buffet; he has done a lot of winning.  Thanks for your comment..

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#19) On October 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

Portefeulle: thank you

Djkumquat: that's some truth, thanks

Rexlove: good words, thank you sir!

Truthisntstupid: I've read it.. thank you

Free truth: I know it's bad, but I think I'm right!  Oye vey.

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#20) On October 24, 2009 at 7:57 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

ps truthisntstupid: I'll look into the second two books that you've rec'ed to me ty.

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#21) On October 24, 2009 at 8:00 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

PS: Please read my latest CAPS for a distillation of my current viewpoint.

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#22) On October 24, 2009 at 8:12 PM, alexxlea (23.53) wrote:

If you must short the market do NOT use the ultrashorts, use them only as day-trading tools. I use the ultrashorts, ultralongs, and longs to day-trade. Longs hedged with options are probably your best bet for a market-neutral account... of course if the market trends strongly in either direction for a period of time the ultra's might be ok.

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#23) On October 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

Alexxlea: Well, I plan on making a small fortune!  I'll let you know if this works out...

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#24) On October 25, 2009 at 2:00 AM, djkumquat (< 20) wrote:

thanks for the post! i think it's been great because it seems that your topic has made a lot of us think about investing from a beginner or novice perspective, but with some hindsight, too. in other words, i've asked my today self what sort of advice i'd give to my starting out self. seems like patience, study, and an eye for the long term are the values ABCs. hopefully, if you stick with those, you'll be ready to stike when opportunity presents!

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#25) On October 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Teacherman1 (46.89) wrote:

As a teacher (4th career) and a former banker, I would give you the same advice I give to the young teachers at my school.

This is not about the stock market, but about a simple way of building up a great retirement fund at the end of your career as a teacher.

Set up a Roth IRA and make monthly contributions. Whether this be in stocks, bonds, CDs, mutual funds, etc.

The MAGIC of compounding over the long run, coupled with the tax free aspects, and the fact that your contributions will be after tax, will give you a fund which will dwarf your teacher retirement income.

Start right from the beginning, so you don't get used to using it to live on.

If you break it down on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis, it is probably less than you would spend on miscellaneous things that give only fleeting value.

Your age (I am assuming fairly young since you are just starting your teaching career) coupled with time and compounding, can not be beaten by anything else you could do.

Good luck in your career and your investing.

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#26) On October 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM, JMrosenb (46.01) wrote:

Cheers Teacherman

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#27) On October 28, 2009 at 11:59 PM, ReadEmAnWeep (20.66) wrote:

stockrevealer & Streetlife373 have the best advice for you. Seriously, that is the best advice I have seen on this site in a few weeks (for someone in your situation JMrosenb). Thank you guys for your wisdom!

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