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Twitter: Worth the Risk?



November 08, 2013 – Comments (3) | RELATED TICKERS: TWTR , GOOGL , FB

Board: Value Hounds

Author: saunafool

I am now going to talk myself into/out of buying Twitter...

My wife has recommended exactly 5 stocks over the course of our 14 year marriage.

GOOG at the IPO: I could have bought at $105 (I ended up buying a few years ago at $450)
APPL around 2004: I could have bought at around $20, maybe less. Ouch.
LNKD at IPO: I could have bought around $80 (if it keeps falling, I will be interested in this one)
FB at IPO: $38 (after I heard about APPL and GOOG for so many years, I bought a small bit at IPO and doubled the position when the stock fell to $19. Currently up ~90% after 18 months.)
TWTR at IPO: $45

She insists that I buy TWTR. I may have to take a small stake for domestic harmony. $25 billion market cap. $500 million annual revenue and no earnings. That's almost as ugly as Tesla's valuation.

FB, while ridiculously priced, sells for 14X sales with projected earnings of $0.83/share for 2013. Still nosebleed territory, but at least there is something there...

I understand that these social platforms and huge gross margins can grow very quickly. Not value stocks, but growth stocks with remarkable potential. I see FB, LNKD, and TWTR as following:

* Facebook is just a part of the internet now. I have to share pictures of my little boy with my family and friends across the ocean. There just is no easier way to do it. From a business perspective, FB is only starting to leverage their 1+ billion users to generate revenue. They are already profitable, and it is pretty easy to imagine multiple revenue growth paths (different forms of advertising, sponsored memberships, gifts, buying event tickets, club memberships, as a business platform for consumer businesses). They will have to execute, but they are already doing pretty well.

* LinkedIn is the only pure business social network. Yes, there is a lot of garbage on LinkedIn, but it has a power that nothing else has. I'll give you an example. My company has been asked to explore the market in Indonesia. We do not know a single person in Indonesia and have never been there. However, there are basically 7 big customers we need to sell to. Via LinkedIn, I have connected to several of them and am now in communication with the key people at 3 of the accounts. I will soon be upgrading to a business account at 15 Euro per month in order to delve deeper into contact lists to get in touch with more key people. I just have no idea how I could do this without LinkedIn.

There are groups on LinkedIn with thousands of target customers for us--and we are in a niche of a niche of a business. I can think of 20 ways LinkedIn can leverage these groups--sponsored webcasts, job placement, advertising to name just a few.

*Twitter I am not so sure about. I don't personally use the service. I see no need for it outside of the entertainment industry. Our marketing company uses it for our company. I call it "Tweets to nowhere" because no one follows us. We just aren't in that kind of a business. (The justification is that somewhere in the back end, the links back to our website boost our Google search results.)

Anyway, at a market cap of $25 billion with revenue of $500 million, what does Twitter need to do to justify the current valuation? We will assume they can turn profitable and achieve 20% net margins, like Facebook. We will also assume a P/E of 40 is acceptable during the high growth phase.

The short answer is that revenue needs to double 3 times up to $4 billion with net margins of 20% and earnings of $800 million. P/E of 40 would result in a market cap of $32 billion. Let's assume they keep growing revenue at the current rate of 100% per year for 3 more years (highly unlikely) to get there as quickly as we can optimistically imagine. The result would be an ROI from today's price of about 8.5% (assuming no dilution from stock options). Not really worth the risk.

Maybe I'll buy 5 shares so I can tell my wife she owns it. 

3 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On November 08, 2013 at 2:28 PM, griderX (97.92) wrote:

Good move...keep the wife happy....still knocking myself for not buying wife loves them ;)

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#2) On November 08, 2013 at 7:17 PM, jiltin (47.05) wrote:

Good Analysis, but wait for some more time before buying TWTR (you know the game) until crazy dust settles

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#3) On November 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Mary953 (84.14) wrote:

Sauna, you have an excellent opportunity here with Twitter.  5 shares with the proof printed out, wrapped in a lovely big gift box.  Make it a Christmas present and then suggest that to "keep up" with how her investment is doing, you both need new smartphones.  

Pros and Cons:  Pro:  You have a Christmas gift she will like because she asked for it.  If the shares increase in value, you have a winning play.  If share price decreases, you were not the one that suggested it in the first place. You may get a new phone out of the deal.  And of course, the kind of domestic harmony that you get from having a happy wife.  Happy wives are nice to have around (Trust me on this.)  And the Con side:  You may lose a bit of money.  Set a stop.

And thanks to your post, I may have to look at LinkedIn again. 

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